New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Slandaar]

Two town BP?

I need to think about this.

Was certain it was hebi last night but I thought Perf was claiming Backup BP & Backup Tracker.

Will be back on later. Want to respond to some stuff from yesterday before rereading a bit.

[RachMarie]

the wording there is bad, the mod meant backup BP, and tracker, Since we lynched the tracker (who was an utterly useless slot and it still totally boggles my mind with all those replacements not ONE single one of them actually DID anything ), Perf did get that ability. Had I been lynched earlier in the game, Perf would have also gotten my ability. Had Perf had full BP, he would not have died in the night.

Uggh either my read on you is off, or I am wrong about heb and he is the SK. Need to do some rereading.

[hebichan]

the wording there is bad, the mod meant backup BP, and tracker, Since we lynched the tracker (who was an utterly useless slot and it still totally boggles my mind with all those replacements not ONE single one of them actually DID anything ), Perf did get that ability. Had I been lynched earlier in the game, Perf would have also gotten my ability. Had Perf had full BP, he would not have died in the night.

Uggh either my read on you is off, or I am wrong about heb and he is the SK. Need to do some rereading.

Honestly I this claim makes sense...

I think mafia were trying to get slander after a failed kill on him, as I said yesterday. I'm tempted to vote on the slot.

Slanddar rather.

[hebichan]

Rach I'm pretty sure you're actually confirmed town here.

[Slandaar]

the mod meant backup BP

I think if the mod meant backup BP they would have said Backup BP.

There's something else - your claim clashes with my 2nd role.

Rach I'm pretty sure you're actually confirmed town here.

How is she?

[RachMarie]

at Mod could you clarify that please? Since there seems to be some confusion over what you mean by backup BP.

[Not_Mafia]

Performer was bulletproof from the beginning of the game and became a tracker after the Town Tracker died

[RachMarie]

ohhhh ok so basically we had two until the tracker was lynched then he took on tracker and lost his bpness? is that what you are saying NotMafia?
Because he did die last night, and if he were still bp like me, he should not have died.

Still not sure which one of you two is the sk though. I had town reads on both of you

definitely need to take a look at some of the lynch votes and see if I can find any patterns.

Of course that works better with mafia team members.

[hebichan]

ohhhh ok so basically we had two until the tracker was lynched then he took on tracker and lost his bpness? is that what you are saying NotMafia?
Because he did die last night, and if he were still bp like me, he should not have died.

Still not sure which one of you two is the sk though. I had town reads on both of you

definitely need to take a look at some of the lynch votes and see if I can find any patterns.

Of course that works better with mafia team members.

I ended up hammering most days, so vote patterns on me are fairly straightforward, and look pretty crummy tbh.

[RachMarie]

That is not the major issue when doing VCA. you are looking for patterns between scum players, like one on one off the wagon. Hammering by itself is not necessarily scummy.

[hebichan]

That is not the major issue when doing VCA. you are looking for patterns between scum players, like one on one off the wagon. Hammering by itself is not necessarily scummy.

Fair enough.

[Slandaar]

That is not the major issue when doing VCA. you are looking for patterns between scum players, like one on one off the wagon. Hammering by itself is not necessarily scummy.

I don't think VCA works at all when trying to find an SK.

if he were still bp like me, he should not have died.

BP Enabler is dead hence BP doesn't do anything.

Quickly going back to yesterday though:

@ Slan

Why are you choosing heb over fire as the sk? Could you give some reasoning here?

Was very confident Fire was town. Not going to go into why now but in terms of Hebi I think you need to be middle of the pack in terms of reads as an SK at least that is what players would attempt. Don't appear too scum or too town so as not to be nked but also not be lynched. Hebi does meet this criteria quite well. Hebi has hammered quite a few which could be argued is a sign of an SK just wanting to lynch people (I guess you could argue this is VCA but it's not really).

Would also like to touch on this as it is something I was wondering in earlier days:

Also, the fact that you survived for so long as a non-PR also made me suspect of you

I think basically Aristo being town made me not very dangerous to maf and sk for a while. Combined with the fact that only one scum, Fragger, had played with me before and he doesn't, based on his posting this game, rate my play very highly. Both of these led to me not taking NK's. That's it really. My reads have not been fantastic but they are OK my most recent list was pretty solid. If Heb is SK then I would say my last list was very good in fact.

Setup wise:
Mafia:
BP Enabler
Ascetic
Goon
RB

Town:
JOAT - Note: a strong JOAT with friendly neighbour ability.
Tracker
Vig - Note: not limited? (contrary to what was claimed)
BP + Backup Tracker - Quite Strong as can't be killed without mafia BP Enabler dead.
Ascetic Enabler - Not very useful.
9 VT

With an SK still alive who is probably not without power, Ninja makes sense, BP possibly.

The question is - does BP town fit into this setup? Unfortunately I don't really believe so. I do think having a BP SK + Town who is BP with a mafia BP enabler looks really good setup wise.

That is where I am currently. I am going to do a bit of rereading to try and decide. Need to look at large setups with SK's to see the kind of powerlevels town get also as I really don't play larges much.

I would be interested to hear your opinion on the setup Heb and also why you think Rach is confirmed town if you still do?

[RachMarie]

wait a minute I thought BP enabler meant he could make his scum budz BP against the vig? I really did not pay that much attention to it actually other than thinking oh great now some of the maf are BPs so we can't vig them.

[RachMarie]

I really thought Fire was it. that is why I was so adamant about him, I was wrong :/

[hebichan]

wait a minute I thought BP enabler meant he could make his scum budz BP against the vig? I really did not pay that much attention to it actually other than thinking oh great now some of the maf are BPs so we can't vig them.

Sure slipping up a bit too much here, slan is offering analysis while you keep floundering. The whole confirmed town thing was from when I thought you were right about the mod error being backup bulletproof.

I'm not really sure. All I have against him was the mafia going after him, but performer was questioning you a lot before death.

[hebichan]

People, talk please. I feel like I'm the deciding vote and it makes me nervous.

[RachMarie]

Site is back

uggh you are not the only one Heb, I am trying to figure out if it is you, or slan and that means one of my two town reads was way off:(

[hebichan]

Site is back

uggh you are not the only one Heb, I am trying to figure out if it is you, or slan and that means one of my two town reads was way off:(

How hard would you kill me if I said it isn't me?

[hebichan]

I'm about ready to vote, but it feels like a game of chicken. I don't wanna vote only to have so hammer.

[RachMarie]

I am not going to hammer certainly not without getting a chance for Slan to speak after the site was down. I see no point in rushing.

[hebichan]

I am not going to hammer certainly not without getting a chance for Slan to speak after the site was down. I see no point in rushing.

It's things like this that make me more confident slandaar is Skype.

[Slandaar]

Will be around later just wanted to check if the site was back.

[RachMarie]

Skype? lol did you mean SK?

[hebichan]

Skype? lol did you mean SK?

Yes, I mean no, he is Skype.

[Slandaar]

wait a minute I thought BP enabler meant he could make his scum budz BP against the vig? I really did not pay that much attention to it actually other than thinking oh great now some of the maf are BPs so we can't vig them.

There wasn't a mafia BP.

Town Enabler X -> Maf X
Maf Enabler Y -> Town Y

The question is if there is
Town Enabler X -> Maf X
Maf Enabler Y -> Town Y + Town Y or Town Y + SK Y

All I have against him was the mafia going after him, but performer was questioning you a lot before death.

I think Nero probably blocked me and then the SK kill was missing so thought I was SK hence the claim. He was wrong. There wouldn't be a kill in a number of situations - the SK shot Perf or Rach if it's you. It's also possible maf/sk shot the same target.

Perf was questioning due to knowing he was BP and Rach claiming BP. Do you think there are two town BP?

I am not going to hammer certainly not without getting a chance for Slan to speak after the site was down. I see no point in rushing.

It's things like this that make me more confident slandaar is Skype.

If you actually intend to vote me then I would like you to wait and let me vote first once I have decided who to vote. I am not confident right now on either of you but will have time on Sunday to read and make a decision.