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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:28 am
by JasonWazza
I'm not saying they are bad champion designs on their own, but the cross champion interactions make them stronger (to the point where i think they might be too strong) and a poor design because of that aspect.
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:34 am
by Psyche
id rather they just have the synced recall yeah
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:55 am
by animorpherv1
I don't think either of the interactions alone are broken - they are nice additions and they're supposed to work well together - plus ot's far too early to say "This will break the kit" when we only just learned of the interactions less than a day ago.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:15 pm
by inte
In post 2796, JasonWazza wrote:*personal opinion*
Having looked over the design of the new champions, it just makes me slightly annoyed at how they decided to do this, having 2 champions linked in game is a good thing, having that link being champion specific is terrible, it would be like if kalista could only link up with one specific champion in league, it's limiting and stupid in how it's gonna work.
Especially since this is never going to make it to professional play or anything like that, because there is no logistical way that both champions should be up for the team picking second if they want to deny it (which their kits seem overloaded together)
as for non-competitive for people who want to play solo as bot or support, this essentially means relying on a random ADC/Support, to pick the other champion, or being at the luck of the dice as to whether you get one or both of the champs even when your duoing in ranked because of the unorganized nature.
While it's a great design, it's a terrible execution in terms of ever getting any useful play time until they become non-meta in anything other then blind pick.
/rant.
its fake synergy. riot fails at champion design time after time tbh
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:16 pm
by inte
In post 2802, animorpherv1 wrote:I don't think either of the interactions alone are broken - they are nice additions and they're supposed to work well together - plus ot's far too early to say "This will break the kit" when we only just learned of the interactions less than a day ago.
when your "interactions" are straight numbers changes they are poor implementations of synergy
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:36 pm
by zoraster
... but they aren't?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:57 pm
by Nosferatu
In post 2804, inte wrote: In post 2802, animorpherv1 wrote:I don't think either of the interactions alone are broken - they are nice additions and they're supposed to work well together - plus ot's far too early to say "This will break the kit" when we only just learned of the interactions less than a day ago.
when your "interactions" are straight numbers changes they are poor implementations of synergy
xayah needs cc and someone to stand in front of her, which rakan does wonderfully
where's the number changes?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:35 pm
by JasonWazza
In post 2803, inte wrote:
its fake synergy. riot fails at champion design time after time tbh
Whether the synergy is fake or not (i would argue the synergy is enough given the ADC W passes on to the support) fact is they have to be balanced either around never being together (which should basically always be the case) or being together (which shouldn't realistically happen)
Meaning they are either overtuned when they are together, or undertuned when they aren't, and neither of those are really acceptable states to be in.
I just think it would be better if they made it so it could be with any champion (picking kalista style), and made it so balance isn't such an issue with these 2.
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:45 am
by Psyche
last time i tried playing lux it was terrible
but i think playing ivern so much has made me good at slow linear skillshots like her Q
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:29 am
by zoraster
I think riot's champion design is pretty amazing, honestly.
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:41 am
by hiplop
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:08 pm
by Psyche
small lissandra buffs next patchh
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:33 am
by zoraster
camille support is getting played in EU LCS playoffs.
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:38 am
by Randomnamechange
come back after a couple of weeks off of league
incredibly fed adc and support repeatedly throw the game by going for kills rather than objectives and the fiora on the enemy team 4v1s at all full builds
good to be back
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:02 am
by Maestro
Xayah is a better Kalista
Rakan is Ahri + Braum
fite me
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:06 am
by Randomnamechange
the crossover everyone wanted to see
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:29 am
by inte
disagree, maybe 5 of the last 20 have been "good" designs/reworks where they add unique flavor to the game and don't feel like rehashes. i'm referring to the gameplay designs. the character design are pretty good for the most part except for league of glowing eyes syndrome.
its probable i'm spoiled by my years of playing dota where every new release pretty much breaks meta for a few weeks
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:34 am
by inte
In post 2807, JasonWazza wrote: In post 2803, inte wrote:
its fake synergy. riot fails at champion design time after time tbh
Whether the synergy is fake or not (i would argue the synergy is enough given the ADC W passes on to the support) fact is they have to be balanced either around never being together (which should basically always be the case) or being together (which shouldn't realistically happen)
Meaning they are either overtuned when they are together, or undertuned when they aren't, and neither of those are really acceptable states to be in.
I just think it would be better if they made it so it could be with any champion (picking kalista style), and made it so balance isn't such an issue with these 2.
exactly my point. they are hamfisted as fuck.
an example of good synergy is alistar and kalista because their skillsets compliment each other
EDIT: quoted wrong person
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:34 am
by Psyche
i just got out of a 90 minute game and now hate league of legends with all my soul
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:45 am
by zoraster
you won though!
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:47 am
by zoraster
Also your KDAs are phenomenal. Why don't you win more?!?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:56 am
by Psyche
i think it's because im bad as a person in the abstract sense
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:00 am
by PJ.
Cause he doesn't know how to
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:14 am
by zoraster
Is this a real answer that's just cryptic or a fake answer that's just snarky?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:18 am
by Psyche
its a real answer that's just as cryptic as the real real answer