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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:38 am

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Votecount wrote:2 appleof88 (Elmo, Ripley)
2 IH (JDodge, Glork)
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:50 am

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Where do we go from here?
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:02 am

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Glork wrote:I'm trying to decide if it's indicative of anything... hence the probing questions.
Shanba pretty much answered what I was going for... you ask for explanation to get a sense of motive or thought process. His declaration was obviously not-random, so you have to seek further information yourself.
I like this answer from Glork.

I want to
FoS Shanba
since thats what I figured all three of them had done, just leaped on someone for proclaiming it odd.

I'm personally of the opinion it wasn't indicative of anything in the long run. I would consider it a null tell, unless you really consider it buddying up, or bolstering a scumbuddy... I think Shanba was just attacking someone insitinctively. Not actually sure if this is THAT suspicious of Shanba.

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Applesauce and his omgus voting in post 44.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:34 am

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wank wrote:Please elaborate on "felt wrong".
It sounded like a first vote, not a second vote. First votes frequently have little or no reason, or are plain random, or jokey, and are basically made for no other reason than to get things going. But when someone
changes
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- even if the change of vote is made just to accompany a witticism. Here there wasnt anything. And also, appleof88 moved his vote to a player who'd been put on 2 votes just three posts earlier, which caught my attention a bit more than it would have otherwise.

Possible motives:

1. Advancing a bandwagon on IH
2. Keeping up up a post count without actually saying anything helpful
3. Establishing himself in our minds as someone who does entirely pointless things, in order to lower our expectations of his play
4. A decision to follow Glork, who looks like being an influential figure in the game.

Of course, he may simply be someone who does entirely pointless things, and had no thought at all beyond basking in the joyful uselessness of the moment, in whuch case he was just acting in character. At this stage, who knows?
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:35 am

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Your third point looks like you're reaching.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:40 am

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IH wrote:Your third point looks like you're reaching.
As reaching as it may sound, it
is
a method I've seen utilized in other games. As a matter of fact, I've done it myself... :?
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:41 am

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I believe it to be an alternative to lurking or active lurking or whatever syntax your mafiacrazed use...
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:56 am

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So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:01 am

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not so much that they wouldn't listen to me as much as it was my establishing that i was, in no way, form, or fashion, a Battle Mage or mneme or any other experienced player.

i was a noob.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:02 am

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correction: am a noob

(I have yet to finish a game...or get lynched)
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:20 am

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I agree with Ripley. I feel it's more speculative than he does, but he's not wrong.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:25 am

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IH wrote:
Glork wrote:I'm trying to decide if it's indicative of anything... hence the probing questions.
Shanba pretty much answered what I was going for... you ask for explanation to get a sense of motive or thought process. His declaration was obviously not-random, so you have to seek further information yourself.
I like this answer from Glork.

I want to
FoS Shanba
since thats what I figured all three of them had done, just leaped on someone for proclaiming it odd.

I'm personally of the opinion it wasn't indicative of anything in the long run. I would consider it a null tell, unless you really consider it buddying up, or bolstering a scumbuddy... I think Shanba was just attacking someone insitinctively. Not actually sure if this is THAT suspicious of Shanba.
How do you feel my reply is substantially different from Glork's?
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:37 am

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Whoa I totally misread that from Shanba, also I didn't see the "Shanba said it"

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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:42 am

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Ripley wrote:
wank wrote:Please elaborate on "felt wrong".
It sounded like a first vote, not a second vote. First votes frequently have little or no reason, or are plain random, or jokey, and are basically made for no other reason than to get things going. But when someone
changes
their vote, well, there's usually some kind of reason behind the change, because things are already moving, and replacing one silly vote with another is futile. Even if there's no real game reason, there's usually
something
- even if the change of vote is made just to accompany a witticism. Here there wasnt anything. And also, appleof88 moved his vote to a player who'd been put on 2 votes just three posts earlier, which caught my attention a bit more than it would have otherwise.

Possible motives:

1. Advancing a bandwagon on IH
2. Keeping up up a post count without actually saying anything helpful
3. Establishing himself in our minds as someone who does entirely pointless things, in order to lower our expectations of his play
4. A decision to follow Glork, who looks like being an influential figure in the game.

Of course, he may simply be someone who does entirely pointless things, and had no thought at all beyond basking in the joyful uselessness of the moment, in whuch case he was just acting in character. At this stage, who knows?
wow alot of thought went into that post
but shamefully, no motive behind it, just poops and giggles

i wish i had as stated above, a game plan. makes me look more on edge
but nay, just mucking around
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:45 am

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Also I withdraw my FoS from Shanba.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:34 am

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appleof88 wrote:
Ripley wrote:
wank wrote:Please elaborate on "felt wrong".
It sounded like a first vote, not a second vote. First votes frequently have little or no reason, or are plain random, or jokey, and are basically made for no other reason than to get things going. But when someone
changes
their vote, well, there's usually some kind of reason behind the change, because things are already moving, and replacing one silly vote with another is futile. Even if there's no real game reason, there's usually
something
- even if the change of vote is made just to accompany a witticism. Here there wasnt anything. And also, appleof88 moved his vote to a player who'd been put on 2 votes just three posts earlier, which caught my attention a bit more than it would have otherwise.

Possible motives:

1. Advancing a bandwagon on IH
2. Keeping up up a post count without actually saying anything helpful
3. Establishing himself in our minds as someone who does entirely pointless things, in order to lower our expectations of his play
4. A decision to follow Glork, who looks like being an influential figure in the game.

Of course, he may simply be someone who does entirely pointless things, and had no thought at all beyond basking in the joyful uselessness of the moment, in whuch case he was just acting in character. At this stage, who knows?
wow alot of thought went into that post
but shamefully, no motive behind it, just poops and giggles

i wish i had as stated above, a game plan. makes me look more on edge
but nay, just mucking around
Yeah, I'm surprised that Ripley didn't suggest "5. Hey, it's still the fairly random stage of the game"... did this explanation cross your mind at some point, Ripley?


Also, lulz @ IH.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:33 pm

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Comments ripley?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:36 pm

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IH wrote:So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?
Never played with a Village Idiot?
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:23 pm

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Glork wrote:
appleof88 wrote:
Ripley wrote:
wank wrote:Please elaborate on "felt wrong".
It sounded like a first vote, not a second vote. First votes frequently have little or no reason, or are plain random, or jokey, and are basically made for no other reason than to get things going. But when someone
changes
their vote, well, there's usually some kind of reason behind the change, because things are already moving, and replacing one silly vote with another is futile. Even if there's no real game reason, there's usually
something
- even if the change of vote is made just to accompany a witticism. Here there wasnt anything. And also, appleof88 moved his vote to a player who'd been put on 2 votes just three posts earlier, which caught my attention a bit more than it would have otherwise.

Possible motives:

1. Advancing a bandwagon on IH
2. Keeping up up a post count without actually saying anything helpful
3. Establishing himself in our minds as someone who does entirely pointless things, in order to lower our expectations of his play
4. A decision to follow Glork, who looks like being an influential figure in the game.

Of course, he may simply be someone who does entirely pointless things, and had no thought at all beyond basking in the joyful uselessness of the moment, in whuch case he was just acting in character. At this stage, who knows?
wow alot of thought went into that post
but shamefully, no motive behind it, just poops and giggles

i wish i had as stated above, a game plan. makes me look more on edge
but nay, just mucking around
Yeah, I'm surprised that Ripley didn't suggest "5. Hey, it's still the fairly random stage of the game"... did this explanation cross your mind at some point, Ripley?


Also, lulz @ IH.

thank god someone saw what i was doing
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:23 pm

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fos ripley
for reading way too much into things

just in case i didn't already
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:39 am

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Crub wrote:
IH wrote:So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?
Never played with a Village Idiot?
You know, that's not something you're supposed to feel proud of :\
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:56 am

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Never played with a Village Idiot?
Does Battlemage count?
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:57 am

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ANYWAYS, can we commence to pressing Andycya plz?

See the last part of post 52
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:05 am

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Shanba wrote:
Crub wrote:
IH wrote:So you've intentionally posted stupid things so someone wouldn't listen to you?
Never played with a Village Idiot?
You know, that's not something you're supposed to feel proud of :\
I'm not proud of it, just pointing out that in my experience it's actually fairly common.

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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:56 am

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wank wrote:Comments ripley?
Thats the second time you've asked me to comment further on this issue. I gave you a detailed account of my thoughts about appleof88's post 32 in my post 53, and as a result have already been accused of overthinking and "reading too much into things". Quite a nice one-two wank and appleof88 have going there; one gets you to expand on your original post, you oblige by replying in as much detail as you can, then the other attacks you for providing the detail that was requested. Cute.

Why don't
you
share some comments of your own with us? So far we've heard exactly nothing from you.

At the start of pretty much any game there's a period where most of the posts are essentially flippant. If we're ever to start catching scum, somebody has to be willing to try to find something suspicious in these early posts, and by definition that something is almost certain to be pretty small, a fact which leaves that player open to attack. The self-righteous brigade invariably kick in with "you're making a mountain out of a molehill" (at this early stage there are only molehills; we have to look at the molehills with suspicion or we'd never get anywhere) - or "He was just joking around", or some such. Another common tactic used to undermine the prodder of molehills is "where's your sense of humor", though happily since appleof88 didn't even attempt a joke in the molehill in question, we've been spared that one this time.

Now consider this sequence:

Ripley, Post 53, final paragraph: of course it's possible that appleof88's post 32 was just random meaningless silliness.

appleof83, Post 63: yeah, it was random meaningless silliness.

Glork, Post 65: Wow, I wonder why it never crossed Ripley's mind that appleof88's post was random meaningless silliness?

appleof83, Post 68: Finally someone understands me!

appleof83, Post 69: (apparently too carried away with joy at being understood to remember that he's voting for me) yeah! FOS Ripley!

I defy anybody to arrange these statements in an order where they make any sense. And just why did Glork see the need to chip in at that stage?

I'm happy to leave my vote on appleof88 at present. He reacted with an OMGUS vote and OMGUS accompanying text which he later said wasn't serious, this making, by his account, three non-serious votes so far, followed by a FOS on the player he's already voting... maybe that theory of establishing himself as a village idiot isn't so far off after all. Oh, and:
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