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In post 674, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 671, farside22 wrote:I had a scum read on MoI day one and pep, but someone was super sure spammer didn't want to listen and kept making all these little things into non scum tells.

I know you are all upset and junk (I'm also not the only one that scum read you) but lets be fair. My vote was sitting on PEP at the start of d2 until DGB started being crazy. You also never really pushed MOI and you misrepped the fuck out of him. I also had two of the scum pegged (sword and PEP) but didn't get to push on them since you know, I died after night 2 as where you didn't.

We were also both on DGB so I'm not sure why you blame me for her mislynch.

The other player that scum read me was scum and dgb whom took my question completely out of context.
As for moi it's a bit hard to push a player with a quick lynch on day 1.
But what do I know, I certainly never made really rude remarks that were insulting your intelligence.
I don't see how I misrepped moi.
I blame you for being impossible to deal with.
I blame dgb for being dgb.

Well, I was scumreading MoI too and thought Farside was obvtown. Granted, I doubt I would have been able to push a lynch on him given how bad my slot looked, but I wasn't going to try when I was a serial killer. Because on the chance I get lynched instead, it would have been easy for MoI to go "lol, he was scum, ignore him."

In post 676, Wingback wrote:Well, I was scumreading MoI too and thought Farside was obvtown. Granted, I doubt I would have been able to push a lynch on him given how bad my slot looked, but I wasn't going to try when I was a serial killer. Because on the chance I get lynched instead, it would have been easy for MoI to go "lol, he was scum, ignore him."

Good job replacing.
You got lucky with all the heated arguments going on.

On a side note I thought the game was balanced just fine.

next time I am taking the shot

still am virtual head shaking here that I actually died on n1

Thank you Wingback for picking up on my crumb and for not killing us to be spiteful!

I think that this game went really unfortunately for town. Infinity misreading his role PM combined with some powerful PR's dying early meant that we didn't actually have to do much to win.

Fun fact: Ari and I were trying to frame Peter/Wingback as our partner in case we flipped... how ironic

LOL SS

seriously though congrats to the Sk and to the scum team

I don't think it was correct to no lynch at the end there, because of the joint win the mafia and SK didn't have a reason to kill each other, unless it counts for more if you win by yourself I guess.

Yeah gj both scum parties.

In post 675, farside22 wrote:I don't see how I misrepped moi.

Eventhough MOI was scum, so you might think you are validated here, his questioning of Infinity had shit all to do with him being against pressure on Primate.

I mean just b/c I saw potential scum motivation in DPR doing shit all day 1 and Rach stating things that I didn't say and you not agreeing with those doesn't mean I was being impossible to work with. It was scumsword I think so maybe he wasn't being entirely honest but he even noticed how hard were trying to antagonize me.

Well congratulations I guess ... I'm not sure exactly how that endgame played out given the Serial Killer role PM doesn't even have a win condition written into it ...

I avoided posting much in the dead thread because my speculation would be inherently spoiling. It was pretty obvious the Peter / Wingback slot was the Serial Killer given that both players who were not Mafia kills heavily suspected that slot.

I don't think balance concerns about the set-up are warranted given the scum were a Vanilla SK and a Goon / Nonconsecutive Executioner combo. Town had plenty of tools in their bag of tricks to win this one and just basically go unlucky with deaths Day 1. Swing isn't poor set-up ... just swing. Heck, a bad set of Night 1 kill choices resulting in cross kills or a scum lynch Day 1 puts the game solidly in the court of Town on cruise control.

Kuroi thanks for the experience. I love your devotion to flavor but think you need to tighten up the mechanical side of you Modding before taking on a complex set-up. There were multiple mistakes in vote-counts that confused things for Town and the Role PMs could have used some polishing on things like ability explanation and the aforementioned lack of Wincon for the Serial Killer.

Also to quote the Mafia QT -

In post 12, KuroiXHF wrote:Safe claims are not requirements to mod a game. They are something I do out of courtesy. I'm sorry you're upset. I really am, but you're making such difficulties out of something you may or may not use.

This is bad modding. Sorry if it hurts your ego but it is the case. If you build a Theme Game and make it trivially breakable Day 1 with Flavor claiming you are doing a disservice to your players.

In post 682, Nero Cain wrote:Eventhough MOI was scum, so you might think you are validated here, his questioning of Infinity had shit all to do with him being against pressure on Primate.

This. We know Primate wasn't scum after the fact and the supposed scum reaction by Primate to the naked scum call wasn't scummy in the slightest.

With the exception to the safe claims, I do take your criticisms with stride.

MoI

could you explain a bit more why you nked one of the most lynch bait players on n1 ? I saw the wifom thing but seriously that totally floored me being shot which is why I did not shoot you or Pep

which might have made this game far more challenging

I figured I would be alive for D 2 I mean then take my shot.

In post 651, KuroiXHF wrote:You've been the master of this big contraception that drains life.

I know condoms suck but this is ridiculous.

In post 688, massive wrote:

In post 651, KuroiXHF wrote:You've been the master of this big contraception that drains life.

I know condoms suck but this is ridiculous.

LOL best typo ever

In post 675, farside22 wrote:I blame dgb for being dgb.

I really fought hard

and the architect of the "case" on me was scum as I repeated 100 times

I guess fighting hard is scum-read these days?

sigh

tbf DGB did kinda town it up after I got replaced

The case on me was basically

too townie to be real - must be fake

LOL

I'm really butthurt by that lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pass a soothing ointment please

Sorry

In post 692, DrippingGoofball wrote:The case on me was basically

too townie to be real - must be fake

You keep saying these words but I don't think they mean what you think they mean ...

Seriously the case on you was "Manufacturing posts in an attempt to look like a Townie but failing miserably".

Which clearly was false but sold really, really well.

The conclusion is - you weren't playing obviously Townie.

I didn't get to play much this game, but at least my first read was right!

I think that this setup was overall a solid setup. A bit scumsided, and significantly swingy, but not bad. (And the fakeclaim thing was not ideal, but not a deal breaker.)
The flavor, however, was outstanding. Thanks for modding, Kuroi!

In post 697, Something_Smart wrote:The flavor, however, was outstanding. Thanks for modding, Kuroi!

Seconded!
It was wonderful to read!

In post 670, Aristophanes wrote:

In post 659, shaddowez wrote:Ari needs to stop playing with me when he's scum...and people need to listen to me

Lmao I know! Have I rolled town in a single game with you!?

Haha, I don't think so - I think the closest you came was SK instead of scum.