Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

PAGETOP

[Genji]

Rask can I ask again why you thought it was good idea to lynch in MYLO?

[Sir Bastion]

I'll a big post game write up after everything has been confirmed away.

But unless there is some hidden surprises that was endgame

scum hold 50% of the vote because there is no means for town to block the kill, so town total drops to 6.

Which means there is no night its automatic game over.

Everybody dies

except scum

[Genji]

Yes, you won.

[Sir Bastion]

More Town lost

Me throughout this entire game:

[Raskolnikov]

to be fair day 2 was extremely unlucky and got what should've been 2 confirmed towns dead, and not from any of good play of contribution of scum whatsoever

[Genji]

Ill never understand why town decided to run up a slot that was empty over someone that everyone else had scumread.
But alas, thats just the nature of the game.

[Sir Bastion]

Oh I have pages of town play to write.

I'll point out the bloody obvious.

LET THE GENJI SLOT GO

I swear I never saw a town so committed to lynching a lurker in my life.

I practically gift wrapped kyndy to you and instead I had 2 town players accuse me of being the scum partner to Genji.

I mean Kyndy was genuinely active lurking and I was getting so annoyed at it that I was more then willing to lynch my own partner to get things going.

Of course I was also trying to take ironstove down with her.


But christ on a bike, what did Hebee do you to you guys that was so awful that none of you would let it drop?

[Genji]

I practically gift wrapped kyndy to you

[Sir Bastion]

I mean the last 2 pages Lycanfire I was genuinely confused at what you were trying to do.

You accuse me of blocking you pushing kyndy so you accuse me of being scum and vote genji?

I am genuinely perplexed

[Genji]

Lycan was town?
Huh.

[Raskolnikov]

to be fair most of town was pushing for no-lynch actually
i kind of strongly insisted on this

[Raskolnikov]

by the end i was losing my patience and was just about ready to hard bus

but i hate dragging games out

[Genji]

I don't know what to think of this setup. I rather don't like it, it seems rather silly to me and too simplistic that it can be usually predicted what scum would do.

Getting Encryptor is more useful and then rest isn't worth it.

[Sir Bastion]

by the end i was losing my patience and was just about ready to hard bus

but i hate dragging games out

I havnt slept at all this weekend.

Ever since genji got put at L-2 I have been refreshing Kyndy's profile waiting for her to log in.


God was it driving me up the wall. I knew I couldnt vote without kyndy because lycan had me pegged as his partner and if I voted and there was a big gap he might have unvoted or soupbowl would have clicked and unvoted. And I stayed up to 5am my time which was when kyndy normally logs on to follow her vote...and she didnt show

so I stayed going til 6pm which is the other time she sometimes posts


still no show

Now ever so slightly crazy I stayed up again til 5am hoping *this time* she'd show


no luck.

I'm slighly over caffinated and cranky by now when she finally showed up over 2 days later...

*crack*

[Sir Bastion]

I don't know what to think of this setup. I rather don't like it, it seems rather silly to me and too simplistic that it can be usually predicted what scum would do.

Getting Encryptor is more useful and then rest isn't worth it.

Except everything everyone predicted was wrong

EVERYTHING

[Raskolnikov]

So on one hand the setup is by default scumsided (take 0 abilities = ridiculously scumsided, look at that traitor's power with BP and can kill if mafia are dead)
but with 3 options taken and a resulting 5 town PRs like here I'd consider it back to townsided, and something that would break/instawin just from massclaiming, there isn't really anything scum could fakeclaim.

Now in this particular game shaddow rolling IC instead of vig was unfortunate (vig > IC considering its a 12p)
tracker being made to claim d1 and dying n1 was rough as well and vedith claiming goon cop didnt help towns favour
the day 2 losing 2 PRs is REALLY unfortunate, as was lycan not bodyguarding ranger n2. I don't blame vedith for not expecting a RB as a PR claim, its an honest mistake.

Yeah overall sure you could criticise the play in the mylo here but it wasn't really a good position to begin with given how disastrous day 1 and 2 went. 3 PRs dead in 2 days when it should have been minimum 1 maximum 2.

I think even with no-lynch (lycan dying) town still wouldn't have won 3 consecutive LYLOs. Yeah there would have been bussing necessary but in the end winning 3 lylos in a row would still be really hard to accomplish.

[Raskolnikov]

Except everything everyone predicted was wrong

EVERYTHING

well actually most town got either 1 scumread right or 2 right they just didnt happen to lynch in the right order

[Raskolnikov]

in an ideal world bastion I'd quickhammer with you
but if I wasnt on the wagon I don't think it would have went anywhere

and if i said i preferred no-lynch it probably would've went through instead of a lynch today i think

[Raskolnikov]

pushing that was actually really sub-optimal because it risked my reputation, confirmed scum within {genji, bowl, me}, and was bad for associations with other scum

ideal play would have just been bussing or doing no-lynch... but if theres a lazy option that ends the game weeks earlier its just too tempting

[Raskolnikov]

I think if ranger was alive I would have HAD to bus or no lynch because she probably doesnt let me get away with this lazy push

also ironstove and genji were starting to get wise to what was going on

[Sir Bastion]

Except everything everyone predicted was wrong

EVERYTHING

well actually most town got either 1 scumread right or 2 right they just didnt happen to lynch in the right order

yeah except they were all convinced of a JOAT and scum day chat and despite constantly being pointed out as scummy, neither me or kyndy ever ended up as first choice.

There was a heavy dose of hunting scum via their potential partners which is the worse way to scumhunt period. You should never scumhunt that way. So even if they put 1 of us down as a scumread they always put us with a town player and insisted on lynching that town player first...

Pushing that was actually really sub-optimal because it risked my reputation, confirmed scum within {genji, bowl, me}, and was bad for associations with other scum

ideal play would have just been bussing or doing no-lynch... but if theres a lazy option that ends the game weeks earlier its just too tempting

I am actually amazed that you got that ball going with almost no comment from town, I have a book's worth of deleted posts I wrote up calling out the issues I had but opted not to when I saw town were buying it without comment.

You're hebee case was hilarious

[Sir Bastion]

I think if ranger was alive I would have HAD to bus or no lynch because she probably doesnt let me get away with this lazy push

also ironstove and genji were starting to get wise to what was going on

Oh I never got to tell you

guess who high hopes blocked night 2?

Me!

Its a good thing we talked out who to send to do the kill.


Speaking of which, the mod will want our permission to open the scum chat to the game at the end.

are you in favour or prefer to keep it private?

[Raskolnikov]

yeah except they were all convinced of a JOAT and scum day chat and despite constantly being pointed out as scummy, neither me or kyndy ever ended up as first choice.

well to be fair they expected OPTIMAL play. BP instead of JOAT or daytalk is just straight up bad LOL

There was a heavy dose of hunting scum via their potential partners which is the worse way to scumhunt period. You should never scumhunt that way. So even if they put 1 of us down as a scumread they always put us with a town player and insisted on lynching that town player first...

funny enough i dont think this would have been the focus that much if i didnt keep spouting it constantly
literally started day 1 and never stopped and i think it caught on to people who in the beginning were just scumhunting regularly
if someone called it out id have been forced to play more properly but until then fuck it

I am actually amazed that you got that ball going with almost no comment from town, I have a book's worth of deleted posts I wrote up calling out the issues I had but opted not to when I saw town were buying it without comment.

You're hebee case was hilarious

it straight up wasnt a case
it was essentially hey i want this guy lynched i will force a 1v1 (i didnt say 1v1 but thats more or less what "I refuse to lynch anywhere else but this" means anyways)
the 'logic' i used was like hey im town so this guy cant be via POE which doesnt make any sense for other people who dont know im town
and in 1v1 of townread vs lurkerish slot people were just like ehh whatever i guess we lynch the nullish because he looks a bit worse

[Raskolnikov]

yeah at some points you were calling me out on very legitimate things. I was thinking like motherfucker this isnt necessary. i have a good thing going on here dont ruin it and make me put more effort in I swear to god ill drop everything to 1v1 bus and lynch you if you keep this discrediting up