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If leonshade is scum, he would have had to been creative enough to come up with "even-night-only cop" and also about having been roleblocked.
In fact, if leonshade is scum he could probably just have faked a guilty onto me or sgz and have won the game easily.

So we're at the low probability argument again?

Isn't it literally fact?

It's more so the cherry on top than anything else though, if you can follow any read progression in his iso please tell me how.

In post 650, Heartache wrote:If leonshade is scum, he would have had to been creative enough to come up with "even-night-only cop" and also about having been roleblocked.
In fact, if leonshade is scum he could probably just have faked a guilty onto me or sgz and have won the game easily.

But if Leonshade is town and McMenno is scum, then who's McMenno's buddy? From your point of view, it can only be me or 1SVT, unless there's something I'm missing.

I agree that McMenno's claim is terrible and that his ISO is terrible, but by far the most plausible McMenno buddies are Leonshade and you. The other possibilities require some rather implausible jumping around of blocking roles. So you might want to re-evaluate your reads, taking theory into account.

@Leonshade: I'm really tired right now, so I'm not likely to be able to manage any complex theory immediately, but I'll have a look at seeing if there's some sort of breaking no-lynch strategy when I wake up. (My initial guess is that there isn't, though.)

@1SVT: , you almost certainly have an unclaimed blocking-like role (unless Heartache is your buddy). There are plenty of scenarios where you aren't scum at all, though.

Note that Leonshade could have been either Rolestopped by someone (presumably scum), or Ascetic (in which case Leonshade is scum); both of those would explain Heartache's no-result without you being able to see why, and without Heartache being scum. So that isn't exactly a 1v1

In post 654, callforjudgement wrote:@1SVT: If you're scum, you almost certainly have an unclaimed blocking-like role (unless Heartache is your buddy). There are plenty of scenarios where you aren't scum at all, though.

Didn't you have a question to go with this worthless comment?

After thinking about it, there's no way to verify my claim N4, and the only one who can verify I'm not Ascetic N4 is Heartache.

I'm not interested in a McMenno lynch today, if ever. I guess he could be CFJ's buddy, but I think it's Heartache instead.

In post 653, Heartache wrote:Isn't it literally fact?

It's more so the cherry on top than anything else though, if you can follow any read progression in his iso please tell me how.

No, the chance we have 1 VT is 100%. The chance McMenno is a 2nd VT on setup alone is 21%. Simples.

Can we move on from maths now please?

Also, if you're talking about careless votes at mylo you just put someone at L-2.

It's cool, I don't think Heartache's buddy is gonna sheep onto McMenno. He's budy distancing at the moment.

You're like titus.

So we have either heart or leo as confirmed scum then.

Anyone see a reason not to lynch Heartache at this point?

then why aren't you voting them

You seem keen.

A Heartache/McMenno team is highly unlikely, so I'm not sure why you're still voting for McMenno Sgz.

A Heartache/McMenno team is highly unlikely, so I'm not sure why you're still voting for McMenno Sgz.

Does that vote have any purpose other than post flip confusion?

where's your vote for that matter, leonshade?

In post 650, Heartache wrote:If leonshade is scum, he would have had to been creative enough to come up with "even-night-only cop" and also about having been roleblocked.
In fact, if leonshade is scum he could probably just have faked a guilty onto me or sgz and have won the game easily.

In post 668, Heartache wrote:VOTE: Leonshade

Same page, too, that read changed fast.

I think I'd still prefer CFJ first, due to the unexplained block on me, but I'm more than happy to lynch Heartache today.

In post 601, McMenno wrote:let's not delay this further

VOTE: Heartache

This is proof mcmenno is the scum. Only a mislynch ends the game, and his words betray that he knows this is a mislynch.

you're grasping at straws now

In post 672, Heartache wrote:

In post 601, McMenno wrote:let's not delay this further

VOTE: Heartache

This is proof mcmenno is the scum. Only a mislynch ends the game, and his words betray that he knows this is a mislynch.

McMenno proven scum -> vote Leon?