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HA!?

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SD lynch is STUPID.

VOTE: EchoVision

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I saw a bit of him reading Slick and Titus voted him so he seemed like an okay first vote.

If you don't want Echo, who DO you want?

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AND DON'T SAY SLICKDILINGER OR I WILL RIP YOUR EYEBROWS OFF WITH PLIERS.

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Well I won't really but the thought is enough.

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HAHA VOTE TITUS GOOD ONE!

No thank you.

I can read SSBM though!

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Nope SSBM is town!

I would have preferred some actual SCUM TO LYNCH, but thanks for offering!

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hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??

Excuse me!? Go ahead, scumclaim. It'll make this lynch even easier!

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Hi Severa, reads?

Unvote town and we can talk!

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No can do buttercup!

This is a multiball game and I am usually the perennial nightkill bait but this game I intend to live a bit longer.

I am going to focus on ONE SCUM, and ONE scum only. For today, that's EchoVision.

Deal with it.

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Echo has been posturing all over the place literally this entire game and their posts are clearly not explorations of the game but rather hamfisted attempts to look like they were exploring the game.

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Like, literally the definition of exaggerated attempts to look like a good townie while having absolutely no substance to them.

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I could vote Wraith over EchoVision.

(they're obviously scumpartners)

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VOTE: Wraith

This is a better wagon.

Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.

This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.

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Titus why are you ignoring the Wraith wagon.
Wraith is obvious scum and he needs his head chopped off TODAY. PRONTO.
I'm going to be PRETTY ANGRY if you guys don't start voting him.

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Wraith is scumbuddies with EchoVision.
I could theoretically jump back onto Echo but I think that Wraith is the much more likely lynch to go through.
I mean SlickDilinger could be scum but he's not exactly a strong scumread and I'd much rather lynch someone else.
Wraith is not a counterwagon. In fact I think that everyone voting him is town. Rather, SSBM and Dunnstral are attempts to generate a counterwagon to the Wraith lynch since Slick didn't work out.

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At the very least: if Creature is scum he's not from the same team.

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If you get a wagon on EchoVision that's got enough support to go through I will follow it. I do not want to vote SD today.
Otherwise I'd love it if you help me lynch scum and I will help you lynch someone you want tomorrow.

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I will have a much more coherent read on Creature at a future date. I want to ignore him until then.

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I will leave that to Titus and others since I am happy with the Wraith wagon.

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I am not going to unvote a wagon with 4 votes in favour of one that would have two votes.

You're the one who doesn't agree that Wraith is the obvious scumbuddy, you're going to need to take initiative if you want me to change.

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VOTE: Wraith

This is a better wagon.

Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.

This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.

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wraith is town, fools

He would in fact say this about a scumbuddy, for the record.

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Your loss then.

Also of note is that Kyouko has expressed several times that he's thought I'm RedScum but is only now willing to put his money where his mouth is. I

wonder

why?

Just read it, it's a quote dump, the entire analysis is in the tl;dr so yeah still waiting for a legitimate reason to scumread me

You're specifically scumhunting for one scum faction.

You can't possibly rely on knowing who is specifically what scum faction based on analyzing general play without being part of one yourself. You're looking for the rival scumteam and not your own, especially since you just lost a teammate last night.

That's more than enough reason and you're just spouting a poor attempt to discredit me.

This is scum who thinks that SSBM belongs to the other scumteam, period. Echo and him were mutually chainsawing each other's asses. This slot needs dead.
I'm sorry that I derailed your wagon Titus and I will help you later in the game if I'm alive since I don't disagree with any of your reads besides Slick but I'm reasonably certain that a Wraith wagon will go through today and I don't want to jump ship and risking something else getting momentum going.

Note that Drealmerz7 is also a great candidate for scum.

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wraith is town, fools

He would in fact say this about a scumbuddy, for the record.

*screeching brakes*

I thought Wraith and Echo were buddies. This is multiball, so how are Wraith Echo and drealmerz all buddies if Wraith/Echo are probably red, if scum, because of the way they played around the Gin claims? Tex already flipped red, unless you posit wraith/echo/d7 are the full blue team I'm having a hard time following

I'm saying that I think that Drealmerz7 is scum and that he could potentially be the third scummate if Wraith flips blue.
If Wraith flips red then Drealmerz7 is a good candidate for Blue scum.

Now was THAT so hard!?

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Scum don't like it when I'm leading lynches. I am going to eat at least one nightkill tonight.

If a wagon on me had legitimate momentum then I guarantee you Wraith's entire team would vote me and members of the other scumteam would also be on it.

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I'm quite sure that Drealmerz7 is a

much

better scum player than you are giving him credit for.
Something something Bins and the fact that their scum playstyles are actually incredibly similar in terms of focusing on appearing genuine and getting gutread as town.

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Your slot was Pine from what I remember so the person who I thought was town out of those was Drealmerz but then you showed up and started pushing Wraith which makes me think you're the townie out of those four names.

That doesn't really make sense considering this is multiball and anyone in that pile could be cross lynching.

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If I'm still alive we can have this fight later. Wraith needs dead.

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Zach, you are the kind of player who I would never try to convince because I don't think anyone is capable of changing your reads.

I will provide a more solid case at some point if it becomes required but it's certainly not for your benefit.

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I am not the one continuing to engage with you because I have no desire to engage with you and feel it is entirely unproductive towards winning this game.

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I think that you're town and I also disagree with every single one of your reads that I know of which just leaves me wanting to not do anything WRT your slot.

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something I, you know, had no influence on and don't enjoy.

If you want me to replace out I will.

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I am sorry Titus but my experience in large games, particularly multiball ones, suggests that I will not be in this game long.

I don't particularly think Slick is scum whereas I am dead certain that Wraith is scum.

If I am getting fearkilled then I am going to lynch scum before I am out.

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@Zach and others, I will provide a more coherent case on Wraith tomorrow.

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Dear lord I don't know why I even try. asdfasfd

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It means that HS is going to help me lynch scum.

It's really fucking obvious by the fifth page post that Wraith is scum who thought that the person they were talking to scumslipped the multiball aspect, for the record.

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for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player

It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.

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The point is it's not a question of multiball. It's a question of how he was clearly aware that it was multiball and searching to scumread people for it, and him assuming that the people that mutually FOS him are members of the opposite faction who genuinely think he's scum (which is possible but not at all a town thought process.)

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for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player

It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.

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This reeks of being a stretch to warrant lynching town and you do not frequently visit the moon.

*facepalm*

I am not scum because I do not support your first choice of lynch, Titus.

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Drealmerz either your town play is utter shit or you are a scumfuck and either way you would do well to stop trying to hinder the Wraith lynch because you're not going to stop it and if this continues I am going to see to it that you get lynched tomorrow before you can make a single fucking post.

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Read the thread, I'm not even concerned with the multiball slip and I know where they're saying it happened

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Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

How did Wraith slip multiball, HS?

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Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

you're playing with him now, kyouko, that is all that matters, that you view him as a threat now (or if you're additionally viewing him like some others claim to be, that he is opposite scum-team at least...)

What gives you the idea that I view Wraith as a threat in the way you're using the word?

It's not the multiball slip.

It's the fact that he made an asinine series of leaps to conclusion to justify pushing someone on a multiball slip.

Titus, please find me a game where I made a 'desperation play' like you're suggesting to defend my scumpartners. I'll wait.

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Read the thread, I'm not even concerned with the multiball slip and I know where they're saying it happened

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Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

How did Wraith slip multiball, HS?

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Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

you're playing with him now, kyouko, that is all that matters, that you view him as a threat now (or if you're additionally viewing him like some others claim to be, that he is opposite scum-team at least...)

What gives you the idea that I view Wraith as a threat in the way you're using the word?

It's not the multiball slip.

It's the fact that he made an asinine series of leaps to conclusion to justify pushing someone on a multiball slip.

Titus, please find me a game where I made a 'desperation play' like you're suggesting to defend my scumpartners. I'll wait.

I cannot find a game where you are ever this incoherent and reachy.

Did you consider that I'm not incoherent and reachy, you just perceive me as such because you're frustrated at me not agreeing with your Slick wagon?

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I understand what Servera is saying. Has anyone refuted its validity beyond saying it doesn't make sense?

Yeah, I did the same thing and was town and accurate and got sheeps.

Now, you're not even listening to the argument just going aling to shut up the conversation.

THERE WAS NO SLIP. SAYING 9 SCUM WAS AN EXAMPLE. THERE WAS NO REASON TO BRING THAT UP AS EVIDENCE THAT THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS MULTIBALL AND NO ONE WOULD THINK TO RING THAT UP AS EVIDENCE THAT THEY KNEW IT WAS MULTIBALL UNLESS THEY ALREADY KNEW MULTIBALL WAS A SCUMSLIP.

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Because I am Slick's scumbuddy and I am on the blue team but Wraith is on the red team and I would rather lynch red team today than myself or my own partners.

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Duh.

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It looks like he just made an assumption. Also that weird Debinometry.

I dont think assuming multi ball in a large by default is a scumclaim.

Is your position that he didn't assume, he made a concrete statement?

Zach this isn't rocket science. Wraith has spent the whole game assuming multiball and freaking out that anyone who FOSes him is opposite faction scum who genuinely scumreads him.
That does not come from town.

where the fuck did you come from wtf

I came from hell and I'm going to send you and your scumbuddies back there.

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My choosing to lynch your scumbuddy before I lynch you is apparently synonymous with it being a desperation ploy to save you. Do you feel saved by me yet?
Also, I don't need to get in Titus's pants because I am wearing them right now.

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Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.

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Wraith is town, because when he said he townread me because of Grey's push, it sort of suggested he thought it was singleball and scum would know it's multiball

Wait wait wait.

OR.

OOOOOOOOOR.

He's Blue faction scum and only searching for Red Faction scum so being unlikely to be Gray's partner makes you town from his PoV.

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Creature may be scum from the other scumteam but you need to stop looking at shiny distractions and make sure Wraith gets powerlynched.

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Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.

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Actually MortFeld might not be scum in which case either team could be either but MortFeld looking for someone to give him an in on the creature wagon is scummy as fuck.

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Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.

No. Wraith and Mort are town.

Titus your reads are wrong this game.

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I'm not sure if I ever told you but there's a set of metrics I use when going over your reads to determine whether your reads are good or not.
The reason I sheeped you on Fire in TTH's game was because every single metric said that your read on the remaining slots would be on point.
Did you know that when you're absolutely unwilling to consider compromise then your lynch wagon is nearly always on town?
Conversely, when you are actually on scum, you are usually way more willing to compromise and a lot less sure of yourself.
Did you know that when you're directly trying to connect wagons and put together scumteams early you are usually wrong?
Conversely, when your read is something more along the lines of 'This 1 person is scum and I don't know what else is going on' your read is usually right.
I understand that you are perceiving me adversarially here but with your current play I have very good reason to not want to follow you and your creature vote is going the exact wrong direction.
and I am fucking confident in Wraith/Echo scum. I am very, very, very rarely this confident in a scumteam this early in the game but there is literally nothing pointing me away from them being a scumteam.

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If I'm wrong on either of them I will sheep you and you might be right on one or both of them as well since this is multiball. I need to lynch my scumreads today though.

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Okay, I didn't expect anything different. But regardless of what anything flips if I don't get my way and I die tonight I expect you to lynch Wraith for me.

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No we are not flipping Creature Alisae keep your vote right where it is thank you.

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Don't let anyone tell you that you're playing the game wrong here Alisae.

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Im with Titus on that one tbh, think its a reach

I don't think that you're a bad player because you were wrong in one game. I think you're a bad player because your reads are consistently poor and you constantly reject solid reasoning.

They are going to flip scum.

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Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.

No. Wraith and Mort are town.

Titus your reads are wrong this game.

then why are you trying to get in her pants

One more of these kinds of comments and I am reporting you. There's really no need at all to continually sexualize our interactions regardless of your wincon.

You're of the opinion that we've played enough for you to label anything I've done as consistent?

I've read several other games that you've been in and came to the same conclusion. This game is just the latest in a line of games where you were scum's MVP.

Severa, that reasoning is not solid. There's merit to it but not lock scum like you're declaring.

That is your opinion and it is a bad opinion because you don't understand the game like I do. That slot is lock scum, period.

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Titus is just being Titus in a game where her reads are wrong and she hasn't realized it yet. I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you a poor mafia player. I'm sure that you are a generally intelligent and kind person with a great personality but that does not make your reads here any less wrong and your stubbornness in fighting the lynch I want any less egregious.

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Then I will admit that I fucked up and was wrong and will try to move forward from there. I will also spend a considerable amount of time trying to think through how I got this game wrong.

That's difference between me and you that makes me so viscerally against trying to communicate with you is that you won't. You had ass-backwards reads the entirety of the game and I had been calling the entire scumteam since mid day 2. Then when I after 3 fucking grueling days of fighting tooth and nail to not get lynched by morons and get the lynches we needed you still were all 'NO THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING TO VOTE BINS' despite having been wrong the entire game up to that point. Then after I voted with you to show you how wrong you had been the entire game you had the temerity to blame me for having given up after weeks of arguing with you? Even to the point of minimizing your responsibility by calling it 'that one game' when the one time I fucked up to that degree I still haven't forgotten about it.

You are not capable of learning from your mistakes because you don't acknowledge to yourself that you made a mistake. So every single time I'm going to play with you it's going to be the same thing, I'm going to fight with you and you're going to insist that I'm still wrong and then you're going to learn that you were wrong and you'll find another excuse for why that happened and the cycle is going to start anew. You won't learn anything and I'm not willing to slough through weeks of fighting with you to secure a single vote. I would rather lose again than do that.

You say that I'm the egotistical one yet you're the one who can't possibly be at fault and therefore must blame everyone else for their mistakes. I am not going to be a party to that.

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Okay. Maybe I jumped to conclusions and considering how much that one game shaped my viewpoint of you I probably did.

But that doesn't change the fact that if what I have put forth so far wrt why Wraith should be lynched doesn't sway you at all, I'm probably not going to continue trying to sway you in particular.

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Which, as you may have realized by now, does absolutely nothing for me. So in the future when I am not bothering to explain you my reads you will understand why, yes?

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but they're scummy ;~;

We can lynch them after we lynch the big scumfuckmcgees of this game. *puts in pocket*

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gonna look at Wraith now, I've haven't really paid a whole lot of attention to him this game tbh

Zach this comes across to me as "Let's find an excuse to hop onto the Wraith wagon."

And that's fine. If AA is scum then he's scum on the other team. I can help scum cross lynch today.

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Ok I'll focus on Wraith when I get back.

Why are people who aren't you scumreading Dunnstral? (echo, debi)

You never got around to this by the wya.

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In fact it feels like Mort has looked into EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAGON for today BESIDES the biggest and best wagon Wraith.

Does anyone else feel like that's deliberate?

I know. Trust I've not been able to sit and read for more than like, 30 minutes today.

Okay but you've looked into AA, asked about Dunnstral, and many many others.

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I think I'm perfectly justified in being wary of a slot that said they would look into scum but then avoided it and started trying to bring up an AA wagon and sought several other wagons as well.

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I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.

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If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

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If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

As a lawyer I void this contract

Fuck off. If you're going to shit on a blindingly fucking obvious scum wagon then you don't deserve to control your vote for the next few days.

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This shouldn't be half as much effort as it has been. Wraith is obvious scum and if you haven't voted him / think that he is town you are BAD. you are a SHIT PLAYER.
This is not me being a scumhunting genius catching a pro scum player this is me pointing out the single most poorly played scum game that I have seen since 2015.

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Then vote him. There's a lot of people trying really hard to create a counterwagon here and being 'open' to it isn't good enough.

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Yes I think they are being scummy for lining up lynches.

You think that I am scummy for lining up lynches on the two people that I have said are scum this whole game behind my own lynch?

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I think SSBM might actually be scum from whichever team the other two chucklefucks aren't.

I was planning to get like a decent, compiled case together tonight but I got distracted by other games. Will get to it ASAP.

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I don't believe the vig claim.

Something tells me that scum made that claim to make sure I don't get doc protection.

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If we never get 3 kills in one night and I am not alive I want that slot lynched, period.

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idc there was no reason to claim and he basically just gave free reign to scum to shoot the only person on town with their head on straight.

We are not going to win this game if I die tonight.

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My scumteam!?

Duh.

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Echo/Wraith are scum on the same faction. If I am alive tomorrow I will do more. Otherwise I wash my hands of this game. gl.

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Any smart protective would but I wouldn't expect you to understand

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It's not a soft and if I was softing my result would be pretty fucking obvious.

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Alright SSBM is non!Wraithteam scum.

We're lynching him tomorrow if Wraith is red.

Titus, you need to vote with me.

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I am not living tonight anyway so

I am 2-shot gunsmith. Wraith has gun. he is dying today.

I am going to make a list of the future lynches.

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I've had just about enough of your shit Drealmerz.

I am going to make sure your sore ass gets policy lynched if you don't vote Wraith right now.

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I don't know why Pine played the game how he did but Wraith is dying and anyone who stands in my way is getting lynched or vigged.

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If you're willing to bus your redbuddy for town cred it's fine but your team is screwed because blue will shoot you, but I appreciate you sev

Vig this.

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Okay then help me hard bus.

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Thanks QTpi

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yeh they could be scums together fosho

yeah the hole in that strategy is that wraith is a strong town player down the line and we need him for later in the game and he is not NEARLY FUCKING SCUMMY AT ALL to be a lynch consideration today and the push on him is BOGUS, scum just want him dead because they fear his analytical threat

I don't consider a trade of town!Wraith lynch today for guaranteed scum!Severa lynch tomorrow a bad trade, but maybe I don't know Wraith well enough.

I am a way more valuable player to town than Wraith will ever be.

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Reading Dunn makes me think that it's site meta to play like shit to not get scumread.

It is. You either choose to be a star player and frequently have to fend off lynches and nightkills or you choose to be a headcount and lurk as scum or town and blame others for your losses.

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I am going to make a list of 5 people. 2 of them are confirmed scum. the other 3 I don't want making it to lylo, no ifs and buts.

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Lurking probably the wrong word. Not trying to carry town.
Okay so I'm going to heavily advise the vig to vig Drealmerz7. Echovision is the obvious scumpartner and I'm not quite at 100% sure levels that he's scum

BUT

I'm at over 50% sure that he's scum, he could fit in on either team, and the fact is that if he doesn't get vigged he isn't getting lynched in the day game..
There are some really, really, really shitty town players in this game and it's not hard to see where thing are going by general reads.
Hopefully with the Wraith flip town gets their heads screwed on straight but I don't think that there will ever be a phase where Drealmers7 is lynchable, particularly without me around.
And bluntly on the sub 50% chance that he's town just based on his play thus far in the game it's no loss at all and we have confirmed scum EchoVision to pounce on tomorrow.

After that, I'd also like to make sure that SSBM doesn't make endgame. He makes more sense as not being on the Wraith scumteam but I could see it.
What I feel like happened is that SSBM figured that Wraith was scum with us and voted but then got cold feet about how much of a threat I was in general and didn't want to see the other scumteam totally destroyed and is now trying to defend them to keep scum in general in the game.
I sincerely doubt that he is actually scum WITH wraith based on their mutual play however.

I'm not going to give this 100% MUST DIE but All Alone's jump onto this wagon was in fact shitty and he's a great contender for opposing scum.

I am 100% confident in Titus&Alisae being town. They're both being really fucking frustrating to deal with but hopefully Titus eats some humble pie. Alisae is going to continue being Alisae though.
I am reasonably confident in LUV, Creature, Mortfeld, and The Rebbe being town. In hindsight I don't think scum would ever claim vig there.
I still think he's town but I'm not 100% convinced that Zachstralkita is town anymore and if Wraith/Echo flip blue and their last partner isn't found late game I would expect to find it there.

[Severa]

Slick I'm your guardian fucking angel now help me powerlynch Wraith.

[Severa]

Fuck off with your vig shit. If you don't want to be vigged then don't play like a player who deserves to be vigged while having a scum meta of not getting lynched because people thought you were too dumb to be scum.

[Severa]

I'm not playing like that at all

that is you skewing it

I am playing like I am ready for everyone to put their votes on who they think is most likely scum (or who they want lynched/are pretending to scumread, of course), like, A LONG FUCKING TIME AGO

I'm playing like I don't give a fuck what you all decide to do among yourselves in the meantime and I'm going to do what I want in the meantime because this is ridiculous

I'm playing like it's DAY FUCKING TWO and I DON'T HAVE THE GAME SOLVED AND AM SO CONFIDENT I CAN TELL EVERYONE WHAT TO DO AND EXPECT TO BE FOLLOWED BECAUSE IT'S OMG SO FUCKING CLEAR

I'm playing like I'd like to just get some people dead and the game forward to a point where I can be more useful and things are more interesteing

I'm playing apathetically because duh

and I'm playing how I want to play and it's not actually being even CLOSE to as scummy as a lot of the rest of you (including you with your BS) and that I DON'T GIVE A FUCK what you think about it

I strongly read this as fake and this makes me even more heavily inclined to want a vig shot here.
I will probably use my second gunsmith on this slot tbh.

[Severa]

Actually nah I'll save it for someone who is worthy of being conftown. You just kill taht shit.

[Severa]

You are hard defending two people who are confirmed scum. Maybe you need help with your own clarity of mind.

[Severa]

HA!?

Amusing!

[Severa]

See that's the thing.

I don't care!

You've been a thorn in town's ass long enough and are the fourth scummiest player alive today.

You go bye bye now

[Severa]

No, the opposite. I think that you're an incredibly dangerous scum player and that you are probably scum here this game. Conversely if I"m wrong I don't mind lynching Town!Drealmerz too too much.

[Severa]

Low hanging fruit scum is Echo. Everyone in this game realizes that the slot is scum or will as soon as Wraith flips and their associatives are dragged into the open.

You are dangerous scum who may end up endgaming or you are town who has helped scum winconditions the entire game. IE, a perfect vig shot.

[Severa]

I appreciate the compliment but it's not going to get me to glaze over the fact that you just said:

I don't mind lynching Town!Drealmerz too too much.

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VOTE: SEVERA

Don't say that scum!Drealmerz wouldn't do this because this is exactly what scum!Drealmerz would do in this situation.

[Severa]

There you fucks go I caught you 3 scum in one day. Aren't you thankful?

[Severa]

I don't consider it policy. I seriously think he is scum and a huge threat.

[Severa]

I mean I wouldn't lynch him tomorrow or anytime soon but I think he's a very valuable vig target.

[Severa]

There's a revealed guilty and people are still trying to not vote Wraith.

[Severa]

Nah, not at all.

Scum on both teams are pushing this angle right now.

[Severa]

Wraith team is Echo/Wraith, both 100% scum.

Drealmerz is trying to push shitlynches and may be scum with either faction.
SSBM_Kyouko is trying to push shitlynches but reads to me as not!scumwithWraith.
My townread on Zachstralkita is absolutely dead.

[Severa]

I never townread Dunnstral but he was never especially on my radar. He's in my extended scumpool too.

[Severa]

Also LUV could easily be scum for how casually he ignored the guilty.

[Severa]

Creature isn't an actual wagon. I'm pretty sure whichever scumteam Wraith does not belong to have figured out that he's scum and are trying to keep him alive, plus Echo chainsawing as fuck.

[Severa]

I'm actually hard scumreading Dunnstral right now for the record.

[Severa]

Like of all the ways people avoided my guilty Dunnstral's was the worst, and he's trying to buddy ? Zach at the same time plus hasn't said anything about the Wraith wagon.

It's transparent how scum are trying to push every single other possibly mislynch wagon and the amount of attempted counterwagons that have popped up should make it pretty fucking obvious who is scum.

[Severa]

I'm adding HS to my townpile as well.

[Severa]

Sorry Dunn I'll just abandon my wagon on confscum so that we can all jump on your Creature wagon.

Should have stuck with that Echo guilty and killed scum today.

[Severa]

Then stop peddling your bullshit snake oil to someone who isn't going to be here tomorrow and lynch scum.

[Severa]

Because Dunnstral is looking for an excuse not to lynch Wraith.

I don't get why you're acting like I'm "avoiding your guilty" if it's real you expect him to be lynched anyway, right?

I expected him to be dead already but that hasn't happened!
I think that scum have a reasonable belief that they can talk their way out of the Wraith lynch today and that they are attempting to do so. If you are town you are helping scum right now.
Don't blame anyone else if you end up getting lynched strictly off of the bullshit that you are pulling today and right now.

[Severa]

You should ctrl-f Wraith and shuffle through Dunnstral's ISO. He has only defended or pushed people alway from the lynch but never once given reasons for it.

[Severa]

Oh, two pages.

You still never said why both Echo/Wraith became townreads and I find it interesting that you listed them both together when as far as I've read only I have hard posited them as a scumteam.

Not that it isn't obvious now to the point that I think that any competent town would realize the two clownfucks are scumbuddies.

[Severa]

There's no cop we're still lynching him let's go people.

[Severa]

There's no cop we're still lynching him let's go people.

[Severa]

NO.

We are not getting off Wraith because the chucklefuck decided to claim cop.

NO ONE BESIDES WRAITH IS GETTING LYNCHED TODAY.

[Severa]

We lynch Wraith and he flips cop, scum
We lynch Wraith and he flips scum, meh good
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he flips cop, well atleast we left scum to sort him for us
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he flips scum, we get to lynch another scum plus have one scum take care of the other
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he isn't NKed, more results

NO ONE IS GOING TO NIGHTKILL HIM. BOTH SCUM FACTIONS KNOW THAT HE IS SCUM AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TOUCH HIM.

YOU FUCKS ARE PLAYING STRAIGHT INTO SCUM PLANS.

[Severa]

NO ONE BESIDES WRAITH GETS LYNCHED TODAY NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS. K?

[Severa]

FRUIT FOR THOUGHT WRAITH IS JUST A SCUMFUCK AND YALL NEED TO STOP BEING CHINSY FUCKS AND LYNCH HIM.

LIKE HOLY FUCK IN EVERY GAME I HAVE PLAYED ON THIS SITE I HAVE

NEVER

SEEN SCUM AS OBVIOUS AS SCUM!WRAITH HAS BEEN IN THIS GAME.

YOU SHOULD ALL BE FUCKING ASHAMED THAT I HAVE HAD TO SPEND THIS MUCH EFFORT TO GE TTHIS FUCK LYNCHED.

[Severa]

NO ONE IS GOING TO NIGHTKILL HIM. BOTH SCUM FACTIONS KNOW THAT HE IS SCUM AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TOUCH HIM.

He'll still have to claim results,

N2: OH SEVERA WAS ACTUALLY TOWN. OH SEVERA IS DEAD WHAT A SHOCK
N3: OH 'INSERT RANDOM OTHER PERSON HERE' IS TOWN JEEZ

[Severa]

One of you should shoot SSBM, the other should shoot Drealmerz7, we'll lynch Echovision tomorrow.

[Severa]

I am going to lose my fucking mind holy shit just kill Wraith.

[Severa]

I've been 100% certain I'm getting shot tonight for most of the day anyhow

Servera is voting to lynch claimed Cop. I get they're sure Wraith is scum (apparently) but that doesn't seem right.

I disagree with Wraith that Kyouko was PR fishing. There was pretty clearly a breadcrumb and I see the theory question there as NAI. Wraith can you talk more about this? Like why town wouldn't ask about alignment of BP

There's no town cop in the same setup as gunsmith you dolt.
He just needed to make a gun claim that wasn't provable and had high enough value to not get autolynched and that's the one he came up with.
Just trust me for once in a goddamn millenia and powerlynch this scumshit.

[Severa]

Yes there is and we are not lynching anyone else so vote him.

[Severa]

If you don't vote Wraith with me you are consenting to sheep my votes in every future games we play because this fuck is just shamefully, SHAMEFULLY obviously scum.

[Severa]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

[Severa]

I WILL BE AS UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL AS I AM REQUIRED TO BE TO GET WRAITH LYNCHED AND I CAN BE /REALLY/ UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL AS ZACHSTRALKITA ET AL CAN ATTEST.

[Severa]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

And he will be because you are wrong. Go to plan B. He will be alive. Prove your other reads. No amount of yelling will change my mind.

Titus you know that I will get this lynch through and I don't want to completely ruin this game in the process but I am perfectly willing to do so.

[Severa]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

Scum or town I feel bad for Wraith

I don't take things said in thread personally. I know that feeling when you feel locked in on someone as scum and no one believes you.

Me 3.

Echo lynch?

I actually believe Echo is town based on his reaction to Dunn's fakeclaim.

Defending his obvious scumbuddy because he realizes that if one of them goes down the other is natural history.

[Severa]

I claimed gunsmith because I wanted people to think that I was fakeclaiming and people wouldn't counterclaim as a result.

I am actually a role cop and Wraith is even-night roleblocker which I assumed made him scum because of how it correlated with the other side's odd-night one.

So his claiming cop has turned my 99% confirmed scumfuck into a literally confirmed scumfuck.

[Severa]

I claimed gunsmith because I wanted to see if he was scum if I could bait out a gun claim as opposed to his legitimate one and assumed people would think I was fakeclaiming if there was a cc*

[Severa]

I don't see any particular value in redacting that information anymore given that he's already confirmed himself as scum.

We are lynching in the two of us, period, bye.

[Severa]

There's no cop we're still lynching him let's go people.

fuck you scum

VOTE: severa

REV UP THEM CHAINSAWS THIS IS GOING TO BE A BUMPY RIDE

[Severa]

Nah. This is legit.

That's why there's no obvious Wraith crumb. I don't think he caught on to what I was thinking.

[Severa]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

It's a fair Cop.

Dayvig Gin

DIE SUCKA

Also I'm assuming that this was some sort of soft but I don't understand where the role portion comes in.

This is Pine's first post by the way.

[Severa]

Except the obvious Wraith crumb is right fucking there and I've been trying to show it to you for ages.
You are so tunnel visioned you are literally making shit up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM

Mort, Severa can't be anything but VT. I just don't see it.

If I had to make a cop claim I'd just pick someone I put in town as my readslist and call it a day too.

[Severa]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

shut the fuck up and let people talk oh my lord

Nah I don't even care if the scum team you don't belong to wins my game but you have my word I will fucking burn your asses to the ground.

[Severa]

My guilty is 100% damning at this point and I have pointed out that Pine obviously softed it. I can't seem to figure out where the role portion comes in but the soft is actually really obvious.

We are not lynching anyone besides Wraith today.

[Severa]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

It's a fair Cop.

Dayvig Gin

DIE SUCKA

I think that Fair somehow correlates with Role but I can't figure out the train of thought behind the soft.

[Severa]

OH>

fai R C op

[Severa]

There's your soft and it comes from Pine, not me.
So at the very worst case scenario you're conjecturing that I'm scum role cop. and I am perfectly fine with that conjecture because Wraith is still scum and I will be flipped soon enough.
I will probably verify the vigilante claims overnight because I don't suppose there's that many more useful checks to pull off. Probably creature.

[Severa]

Ohhhh RC is role cop. Me dumb

I'm ignoring you. You made a comment irrelevant to the gamestate because you hadn't read. That annoys me.

holy shit how hard is it to get this through your thick fucking skull...... i was in the middle of reading and i posted oml

How hard is it to get a vig bullet through your thick fucking skull I wonder.

[Severa]

Titus, this is a game where you're so locked into one version of what's been going on that you're absolutely blind to how little the gamestate complies with it.

[Severa]

You can double vig me if that's the case which it won't be.

[Severa]

Is that finally the goddamn hammer?

[Severa]

Surrogate Wraith VC

Wraith (8): Severa , Alisae, All Alone , ssbm_Kyouko , Zachstralkita, The_Rebbe, Creature, Dunnstral, [-]

[Severa]

Where the fuck is Boonskiies when you need him

[Severa]

Well re-vote him then.

[Severa]

Wraith (7): Severa , All Alone , ssbm_Kyouko , Zachstralkita, The_Rebbe, Creature, Dunnstral, [-]

[Severa]

Oh and town you better be thankful in postgame because if with a bona fide guilty this clown is this hard to lynch Wraith was going to endgame all you fucks.

[Severa]

If Wraith turns out to be town cop, we kill Severa.

No we don't

Scum: X isn't cop, he's lying because role reasons
X flips cop
Scum: Oh woops, sorry, I was confident he was scum

If I didn't get vigged if he flipped town cop I would be amazed and insulted. Respect my scum play enough to vig me if this wagon would have flipped town cop.
It's not town cop obviously but it would be a horrible mistake to not do so.

says the one who's had tunnel vision on wraith for half the fucking game

But he's your scumbuddy. I'm here to lynch scum and bake chocolate chip cookies and it's too early in the day to make chocolate chip cookies.

[Severa]

MEBBE THE MOD MADE A MOD ERROR AND ACCIDENTALLY TOLD ME EVEN-NIGHT ROLEBLOCKER

[Severa]

Drealmerz7/Echo/SSBM

vig pool for tonight. The 3 who are there. put them in dead thread.

[Severa]

Also I'm contemplating if LUV's intent was coordinated so that they could get the cop claim out but there's still better scumtenders.

[Severa]

Can we get a hammer before Wraith can get back on so he can't try to coordinate night actions and be all 'oh you guys kill rc we'll kill the vig'

[Severa]

oh hey wraith.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES.

[Severa]

Why is no one open to shooting Drealmers7?

That's the next most likely scumslot to endgame after Wraith.

[Severa]

I would like to see Drealmerz7 vigged even though he's not quite as likely to be scum as some of the other people because I feel like if he's scum he will make it to endgame easily.
Echo and SSBM are widely scumread and going to die period. I'm not a huge fan of either your Slick or Zach slots but I acknowledge either of them might be scum on the non!Wraith team.
Drealmerz is the most threatening slot in the game to me besides Wraith and I don't expect to be able to continue to push it later.

[Severa]

If there's a doc which I doubt setup spec wise they should be on me no matter what.

[Severa]

My philosophy is that vig shots are best used on people who will be near impossible to lynch but you also think are scum. None of these vig shots fit that criteria.

I'm fine with it but I want your word that if I'm dead after you lynch EchoVision you put Drealmerz7 in the fucking ground. He cannot make endgame.

[Severa]

Is there a point where after he flips scum you admit that you were wrong and help me lynch his scumbuddies?

[Severa]

I would be insulted if you didn't.

[Severa]

Oh and if both Slick and Wraith are scum that still puts you in the wrong because I never said that Slick was town, I simply said that I had a better lynch for today.

[Severa]

There's still time Titus. Complete the circle.

[Severa]

I'm RC. I highly recommend you both shoot me as well as the other team to make sure I actually die.

[Severa]

At this point I'm just meming Titus but I (obviously) had my reasons for wanting the Wraith lynch that superseded my desire to work with you. Sorry.

[Severa]

VOTE: Creature

Echo is scum but you need out of my face.

[Severa]

Well I didn't see it till you pointed it out to me Creature.
And he's in my lynch pool for lieing about that but I wanna see what Severa has to respond to that.

I did what I had to do to get scum lynched.

[Severa]

One of the vigs said that they had reason to believe there was another vig in the game, correct? Which one?

[Severa]

If I have any worthwhile investigative information I'll out it.

I'm wondering whether one of the vig claims might be SK for a tripleball setup.

[Severa]

No comment =]

[Severa]

I think it's pretty fucking likely that a shot was made at me and the presence of a strongman makes it pretty fucking likely that I would have been docced.

So we're probably looking at

Blue team shot me
Red team shot RB
Vig/SKs shot Slick/SSBM

[Severa]

That's what probably happened actually.

UNfortunate for RB.

[Severa]

Unless one of the vigs is blue team masquerading as a vig.

[Severa]

Then where's the missing kill, Dunn?

2 vigs, 2 factions. 4 kills.

[Severa]

Creature and ThinkBig both claimed vig. There is a red team and a blue team. Ergo, 4 kills.

And you saying that I wouldn't have been nightkilled after what I did is laughable.

[Severa]

If you'll help me bus I think I know who the last blue team is.

[Severa]

I'm pacing myself from this point on. I've done enough for town to be left alone until I know what I want to do.

[Severa]

Did your teammate tell you to tie yourself to me so it looks like I'm bussing or what's going on here

[Severa]

I think it's pretty fucking likely that a shot was made at me and the presence of a strongman makes it pretty fucking likely that I would have been docced.

So we're probably looking at

Blue team shot me
Red team shot RB
Vig/SKs shot Slick/SSBM

Nobody shot you

seems pretty certain to me

wait... breakthrough... dunn lookout who watched over sev last night??

Or he was stating his opinion

Idk if i were scum i would have shot the fuck out of sev last night tbh...

I mean, didn't you?

[Severa]

VOTE: EchoVision

Hi Titus thoughts on this game?

[Severa]

I claimed a guilty and I couldn't get Wraith lynched. Considering that I think it's not at all unreasonable to assume that Wraith would have endgamed town if left alive.

Sometimes the hand of fate must be forced.

[Severa]

I like my creature vote. I think that the slot is probably SK. EchoVision is scum but everyone knows he's scum and he's going to get lynched sooner or later.

[Severa]

Also your PoE is the pool of people that I think are town so unless your reads are just really, beyond considering bad, you're scum who is trying to get an excuse to shoot town.

[Severa]

Blank slate situation here Titus.

I think that my '100% confirmed scum' read is definitely better than your '100% confirmed scum' read because when you think someone is 100% confirmed scum you are usually wrong.
I have my own set of metrics to determine the quality of your reads and when I have reason to believe that your read is going to be good I follow it. Think TTH game where I townread FA but everything pointed to you being right.
So this game I had reason to believe that you were going to be wrong on Slick and I had my own beyond certainty on a lynch. My own 'beyond certainty' category has been wrong once on town and never on scum.
It's not that I don't respect you as a player or are unwilling to work with you in general but I had a lynch that needed to go through. You can hate me for it or we can work together now.

[Severa]

Cuz you know to me right now it feels like you're not mad at me for not following you, you're mad at me for having been right in not doing so.

[Severa]

Alisae you're red scum right?

[Severa]

I really don't understand your push on me or any of your reads.

[Severa]

OK. Why am I scum again?
Was I bussing Wraith or am I red?

[Severa]

So... what do you think happened and what's my scum motivation for it?

[Severa]

nnnnnnngggghhhhh.

told u ssbm town

but do u listen? no

My main gripe was I'm going to receive the brunt end of not lynching Wraith until wayyy later when the fake guilties were claimed


But it's ok because... I'm not going to concede on my read of Echoslot town

Remember what I said yesterday?