Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

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AND NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE FLIPS SCUM BEFORE SOMEONE PULLS THAT SHIT. HE IS STILL FLIPPING TOWN 90%+ OF THE TIME. NERO IS SCUM REGARDLESS OF FLIP.

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for those who legitimately believe nero's claims that I never tunnel people as town because dear fucking lordy everyone in this game knows that's bullshit
also this isn't hyper-aggressive. you remember my hyper aggressive game where I called you a cunt for calling me scum? THAT'S scum!RC.

I'm pretty tame this game tbh.

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And all scum are probably in the list you just put up, congrats

hint: unless davesaz is scum that's all town

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If I die everyone is going to sheep MathBlade for the rest of the game. you've all forfeited your rights to have votes

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Math take Davesaz out of your townpool and add BaeReed

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Also keep in mind that if Vecna is scum Davesaz's result on Creature/Maxous is unreliable. Luckily with the way the gamestate has gone I believe that they are in fact both town but it is super important that Vecna is RBed tonight.

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Do whatever you want if Leon ends up being scum but Nero is still scum regardless of the alignment of this flip.

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Davesaz makes a ton of sense as town if Vecna is confscum btw. I just feel weirded out by the fact that it doesn't feel like scum are scared of Davesaz at this point in time.

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no...

RC>>>Gork>>>Ali>>>Senpai

0/4 scum

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nancy I'm town and if you're not going to lynch my scumreads because you think that I'm scum then this game is a loss either way.

I'd rather lynch Kid than Leon but I'm not at all confident in this scumflip.

VOTE: Kid

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I was based on meta from 1774 and Duck Duck Goose but I thought that he was actually the last scumfuck in duck duck goose because of how different his play in those two games was. Also based on Nero associations.

I am no longer convinced that this is going to flip scum. I think Kid is bad town. He's still a better lynch than LeonShade though.

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I am still SRing CK!

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VOTE: CK

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LUV what's your mathblade read and why?

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Just because I don't want to lynch Nero doesn't mean that I'm scumreading you

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

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Mathblade, I am feeling very sleepy. when you snap your fingers I will vote on your command

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It's a sheep train!

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how long do I have to glare at you before you put me in there

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I want to pocket the shit out of you nancy but you won't let me

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Fine.

VOTE: Nero Cain

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incorrigible.

I've been called that before but not by you >.>

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zzz

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nancy if you were a dayvig who would you shoot in order

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I'm trying to gradually manipulate you into letting your guard down so I can pocket the shit out of you and manipulate you into winning the game for me.

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That sentence is 0% a lie by the way, and I am town.

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VOTE: Kid Amn

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Vecna I scumread you because your read on me feels disjointed as hell. 13097 can be interpreted both ways, 13098 is pulling information from me like I'm scum, 13099 is talking to me like I'm town, then 13101 talks like I'm obvscum setting up for your lynch tomorrow when NO SHIT I HAVE GIVEN UP ON LYNCHING NERO TODAY.

Also you came up with some great shit on Nero's associations that I liked but never voted him but did vote the people who were connected to him which I'm like whatever about.

I'm not voting someone that I think is town today to give information to someone that is either weak town or scum. It's day 4, your reads should be in place now not later.


As for the Davesaz thing, I would expect to see scum like throwing potshots at both you and Davesaz. I came in with Davesaz as a heavy scumread to test the waters and see if someone would jump on that because I would fully expect scum to try to push it if they could pin it on me but there was basically radio silence and Nero is fully against that wagon.

So yeah. Gamestate doesn't feel like Davesaz is about to run amok as confirmed town parity copping people. I'm obviously not going to wagon him for a very long time but something feels wrong.

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and lol. jae is obvious town regardless of leon's flip

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also creature/maxous both reacted exactly how most town would react to being cleared in that way. I would be more suspicious if they took a more active role in discussion and trying to lead people

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Why don't you explain your read on me instead of bitching about my read on you?

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Did you consider that it's a very unpopular opinion for a reason? I mean anyone who knows anything about Drixx knows that that confirms him as town and there's people like Creature who deathtunnel me every game but are somehow pulling their shit together enough to townread me based on my play.

Like if I were scum you would have a lot bigger problems to worry about than getting a Leon wagon through

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I'm not going to be here tomorrow

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Then you have insufficient actual experience dealing with innocent childs and masons. I have a specific meta point that I will bring up but I can't bring it up at this time. Creature's also town by play.

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Also you said that I could fake this as scum: where does that meta come from? I don't believe that we've played before?

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I could see Maxous as being scum I guess but it's not an option I'm interested in pursuing atm.

I know you won most cunning manipulator over a bunch of other very cunning manipulators ive played with before.

That's one way of putting it. Keep in mind that I was known for my town play long before people started taking my scum play seriously.

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Rather than answering your questions: why does it feel like if you're town you're making suboptimal plays here as scum!RC insurance?

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Or: get this: you aren't as good at comparing the similarities and differences as you think you are. I actually played that game and scumread SSBM because he felt less genuine here.

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Because he thought he could convince you that you were the one wrong. He succeeded.

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I am talking to you as if you are town because if you're scum this conversation holds no purpose. I don't put it past you and Nero to have pulled the whole things for scum theatre.

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Correction: I don't put it past any X and Y player to have pulled the whole things as scum theatre if they had daytalk, at least one motivated and skilled player on the scumteam, and wanted to switch that read around.

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btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.

If youre town: a question. Can you need see the signs on the walls here? Where people are allready setting me up as the mislynch for tomorrow?

Because that is what RC is doing atm. He is talking not about todays lynch, but about me in every post. He's catering to Ceasar/Math who are going to be unlynchable town - not because he thinks im scum, but because im the easiest mislynch.

Explain this again

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by 'weird connection between davesaz being scum and me' you mean the point where I was thinking you probably weren't both scum so if you were scum davesaz is probably town?
that's not exactly let's-set-up-a-mislynch-on-Vecna central.

yes I have been pushing concern over your role because your role invalidates our ability to trust any of Davesaz's results. like that's literally the only reason I brought you up at EOD.
yes I have given up on getting Nero lynched today and the reason for that should be obvious given that town is fucking itself over

but any idea that I am preparing to mislynch you using an incorrect wagon as justification is pushing a false narrative and it's frankly an insult to my scum play

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mafia in 2017 is gross

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The "sorry if I'm wrong" is actually "sorry if Leonshade was actually scum" not "sorry if KidAmn is Town". I'm picking between two mislynches.

That's what happens when you force me to compromise

Kid if you vote Nero with me I will unvote you

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And when the VI comes in and WKs the scum wagon because she has no actual idea what is going on and her reads are fucked.

Ok nancy. I feel like both wagons are going to flip town here. Why don't we instead powerwagon someone who is going to flip scum?

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Kid fuck's sake your reads are shit. The reason I want you lynched over Leon is because Leon's going to vote scum tomorrow.

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Not until you stop townreading Nero

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Okay bye then Kid. Have fun feeling really fucking stupid in dead thread if you're town.

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Hey guys.

I've had alot of really bad experiences with bad towns recently.

But I still believe.

VOTE: Nero Cain

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Because that's what needs to happen.
Because sometimes… a compromise lynch isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more.
Sometimes dead thread deserve to have their faith rewarded.

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That's not how I play. you complain about the rhetoric it just gets ramped up. cases never made a lynch happen, rhetoric and narrative does.

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rhetoric and narrative does.

not unless its a playerbase of all Vis.

When you're the wise and all powerful RadiantCowbells, all playerlists are playerlists of VIs.

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zzzz

VOTE: KidAmn

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Fwiw your EOD makes me think that you're town Vecna

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this game is a town loss tbh

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Sorry dead thread I tried. There's only so much stupidity that one radiantcowbells can carry.

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jae you are really not as good as you think you are and you should fucking learn that sooner rather than later

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nah it's called for. I've had it up to fucking here with this town

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How can I be gish galloping when I haven't made a single point against you besides that you've got shitty associatives with clownfuck nero

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Jae I legitimately don't give a shit about your read on nancy so stop.

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nancy's town. Math I hope you're right about kid but I can't say I'm feeling hopeful.

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That role PM is adorable

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Yeah I'm getting nightkilled tonight

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Davesaz, do Nero Cain / nancy please.

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First person to claim not to be doc is doc.

*nightkills nancy*

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Davesaz, do Nero Cain / nancy please.

this will win you the game. do it.

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And Math? if it's 1 town 1 scum you lynch nero first. don't be dumb.

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Neighbourize me tonight whoever takes that.

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I think Dave should target two of these four to be safe: Ali, Math, nancy, notice.

However I could see scum killing Dave and banking on getting through one more day here.

nero/nancy

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nero/nancy.

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=)

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NO, davesaz picks 2 other people.

I'm staying out of Davesaz's alignment for a while

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Dave should pick themselves and a read they have a question about. Then it is like cop+

this is strictly worse than checking 2 people even if its faster

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nancy/nero is a gamebreakingly good check

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rest of my townblock suspects nancy. I think she's town.

same alignment flip we know that nero was in fact bussing her. opposite alignments we lynch Nero and everyone lays the fuck off her

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i honestly don't think town would be so fucking stupid as to lynch nancy on a different polarity check but you never know

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no Jae you didn't fucking vote Nero with me and you're half of the reason we lynched kid today. Nero/nancy end story.

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I would lynch Nero, then Creature, then Davesaz and get 3 scum flips.

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Replace Davesaz with Maxous

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get out of my way and stop pushing shit reads and investigates and I'll stop calling you out for it

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If I were scum, hit doc/bp while having a RB I would immediately claim that as a guilty. not that I think that creature is scum.

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POSTIEEEEEEEEE

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I STOLE NAHDIA'S PAGETOP YUS

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do you know what's worth fighting for when it's not worth dying for

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does it take your breath away and you feel yourself suffocating

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does the pain weigh out the pride and you look for a place to hide

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did someone break your heart inside you're in ruins

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one twenty one guns lay down your arms give up the fight

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one twenty one guns throw up your arms into the sky you and I

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when you're at the end of the road and you've lost all sense of control

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and your thoughts have taken their toll and your mind breaks the spirit of your soul

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your faith walks on broken glass and the hangover doesn't pass

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nothing's ever built to last you're in ruins

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one twenty-one guns lay down your arms give up the fight

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one twenty-one guns throw up your arms into the sky you and I

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when you've tried to live on your own when you've burned down the house and home

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yet you stand too close to the fire like a liar looking for forgiveness from the soul

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when it's time to live and let die and you can't get another try

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something inside this heart has died you're in ruins

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one twenty-one guns lay down your arms give up the fight

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one twenty-one guns throw up your arms into the sky

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one twenty-one guns lay down your arms give up the fight

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one twenty-one guns throw up your arms into the sky you and I

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Oh wait there wasn't a hammer wtf. I was just waiting for thread lock

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another turning point a fork stuck in the road time grabs you by the wrist directs you where to go
so make the best of this test and don't ask why it's not a question but a lesson learned in time
it's something unpredictable but in the end it's right I hope you had the time of your life

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I actually thought hammer had gone through

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daymasonize: nancy

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Out of body and out of mind
Kiss the demons out of my dreams
I get the funny feeling that's alriiight
Jimmy says it's better than air

I'll tell you what
Drain the pressure from the swelling
This sensation's overwhelming
Give me a long kiss goodnight
And everything'll be alright
Tell me that I won't feel a thing
So give me novacaine

More novacaine

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i still propose the entire town just sheeps mathblade the rest of the game and we see what happens

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that's why I want a nero/nancy check

win win

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I would still abandon ship and powerwagon nero or cloud

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if you replace out of this game you'll be out of it faster than anything
VOTE: DK

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VOTE: Nero

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the jesus of suburbia is a lie

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zzz

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neighbourize me tonight and I'll give you the strat. we're doing things my way tomorrow if this flips town.

VOTE: Kidamn

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wait that's hammer

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Btw, my wonder is the great wall. what does it do again

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git dunked

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i like this. thanks drixx friend

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i hardclaim ravenclaw

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i hardclaim 4-shot alisae

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VOTE: Nancy

how dare u cc me

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once per day you may be pocketed by a player, proxying your vote to theirs and neighbourizing you together

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tell me that I won't feel a thing

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lol ok vecna

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lol why is the great wall a scum wonder?

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uhh yaeing is a terrible idea.

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Hi let's guarantee that scum get a loverizer and a strongman dayvig in the same phase there's no way this could possibly go wrong

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creature was never going to be scum

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It doesn't matter you're still giving scum two kills

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lol @ great wall

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Can a fuckin TR speak for once?

if you're not tring me you're awful

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HOLY FUCK I AM NOT GREAT WALL

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that wasn't even like intended to sway people that was pure lulz

VOTE: Nae

Anyone who votes or pushes yae I will be interpreting as scumclaiming.

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I mean there was wifom involved but I wasn't expecting scum to actually be deterred if they were scared of me

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LUV did you go for roleblocker?

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You're assuming the choice was between Maxous and Creature

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Maxous was hard defending Ceasar and that's about all I see in their iso. If scum wanted to take forbidden palace away from him then it makes sense to kill Maxous to make that mislynch easier.

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can I vote nero yet

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scum jumped ship from Leon so that they could get kid and still push Leon today

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actually nah that's not what's up

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Vecna/Nero/Cloud/x/x

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you're trying to push both designated scum mislynches at the same time, discrediting math, and calling me scum.

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Leon you have no structure built correct?

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Hey dumbass have you noticed that I've been saying since yesterday that Davesaz wasn't going to get a result? take a moment and think about that

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Leon is designated scum mislynch. you can be town VI supreme or you can be scum but Nero is getting lynched today and no one else

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truth is that I don't care what alignment you are. you fucked town yesterday and I'll lynch you if you try to fuck town today

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scum aren't not worired about a parity cop because they have a great wall. davesaz is scum or scum already had a plan

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So by process of elimination we can most likely find a guaranteed scum with that info.

This assumes that we know that scum have picked up a certain number of wonders. what wonders do we know that scum have picked up?

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Do not vote Nae until everyone has posted and mass claim has happened. Still doing errands... will post more later

@Everyone identify the scum on the Yuri and Beeboy wagons D1 from your point of view.

this kind of wagon analysis is crap and leads to way too many town losses.

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this was so genius i'm sure that town will never figure out that i got my entire scumteam to vote nero but he's so towny that we didn't get any votes besides them

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uhh

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Okay if Nero's actually town then I really don't know whats going on

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Nero I'm not scum

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fuck you dude. your slot was objectively scummy.

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if Caesar went for palace and was sniped by town then I strongly suspect that they're town too. like if they were going to say they were going for palace they'd definitely have SOMEONE on scumteam take it if they were scum

what about cloud? Gorkington could be scum I guess

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although I guess Caesar could be scum and whoever on scumteam was taking it was lower priority than nero?

idk like I was really sure nero was scum. I need a reset

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VOTE: Nero

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Why did you claim great wall yesterday? Why were you so scared to be investigated at the end of the day?

that had literally nothing to do with investigations. I thought it would marginally lower my odds of being nightkilled.

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also hey look davesaz didn't get a result. if I were scum I would have known that and therefore there's no scum motivation to claim as ascetic to avoid a parity cop that's either roleblocked or scum.

my only motivation for doing so as scum is to emulate my town fear of being nightkilled

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neither of them think that I'm scum though I sincerely hope

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where did nancy say she's scumreading me

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Vecna math is town and you need to pull it together

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Math I don't want to vote Vecna today

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Cloud or Nero?

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MathBlade that's fine but we're not lynching Vecna today

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Vecna how do you think fighting with Math is to your win condition regardless of either of your alignments

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MathBlade let's hydra for the rest of the game ok

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rcs are not the scums you are looking for

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we should make davesaz claim before the massclaim

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just so it's completely clear I wrote that in before vecna posted

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someone give me novacaine

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someone give me novacaine

Who is your scumteam RC?

I love you but there are somethings that are too dangerous for mortals to know.

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Oh and we are lynching in {Vecna,LUV,Nero,nancy}

I won't vote anyone else.

Uhhhhh

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*glares at MathBlade*

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she didn't claim that overnight though I don't remember her ever saying that toplel

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town isn't winning this game

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t h e n a r r a t i v e

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is the great wall really the best thing you have to throw at me

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what if someone proposed to you?

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Germany?

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Vecna am I to interpret that as you think that myself and Nero are both town?

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scumrc with scumfriends scumlisae, scumcy, scumecna, and scumonshade?

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You realize I'm voting him correct? I'm asking for your thoughts on the matter

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no wagoning my townreads ok

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Wait you think that I'm more likely to be scum than Nero?

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You think that scum is a block of Caesar/Notice/Gorkington from what I recall, correct?

Did you notice that none of them voted Nero when I tried to wagon him yesterday?

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The only slot thats on the end here that isnt your hard townread/yourself/flipped town is Nero.

what conclusion do we draw from this

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Also creature isnt conftown. I have several very good meta-arguments that make me very strongly doubt this.

regardless of his alignment he is not who we go for today

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Nero's onto us nancy. I have to powerbus you. I hope you'll forgive me.

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Why aren't we voting Nero

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hey math 14197 is never a bus vote

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Alisae you're going to get scumread if you talk just shh and sheep me and no one will figure out you're scum

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do you actually think I'm scum this game

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Jae can't fucking read me alisae don't follow their read

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yeah I have no desire to play this game anymore.

I tried to carry and you guys prevented it and pushed a shit lynch in its play

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I wanted to lynch you, mathblade wanted to lynch kid

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claiming cop when you got tracked to the bulletproof is not gambiting luv

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claiming cop when you got tracked to the bulletproof is not gambiting luv

Yeah it is lol may not be a very strong one but it perfectly fits under the definition of a gambit

it's not a gambit it's something that he was literally fucking forced into doing by the gamestate. it's entirely different from what drixx did this game.