Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

[cassielle]

I prefer hapahauli way more than havingfitz.

why

[Creature]

havingfitz seemed bad, but I'm not certain he's scum.

hapahauli I'm somewhat certain, he's pretty under the radar and seems happy with havingfitz' lynch.

[cassielle]

havingfitz seemed bad, but I'm not certain he's scum.

hapahauli I'm somewhat certain, he's pretty under the radar and seems happy with havingfitz' lynch.

in a town!hapa world he would be happy too so that feels NAI
but the under the radar bit is noted.

fitz feels more likely to get traction unless bv puts his foot down though and fitz flip prob tells us hapas alignment, i think theyre never the same faction tbh

[KidAmn]

I have also decided that cassielle is town and i wont be reading any of her posts because they make literally zero sense.

I suspect cass and still think this post is scummy.

You have ignored repeated questions by me to you...I have seen no case by you on me...and you have a tendency to ad-hom players and/or disparage their ability.

OoO wagon would work as well.

I seriously believe we should murder fitz, or possibly Kop. Maybe hawk is the third scum but idk. I am not too confident on that.

Can you guys please go read fitz' filter and tell me how any of his reasoning for scumreads ever makes anyone mafia?

You have ignored repeated questions by me to you...I have seen no case by you on me...and you have a tendency to ad-hom players and/or disparage their ability.

OoO wagon would work as well.

2) This is a misrep...I do not believe I have laid out why I suspect you. And if I inferred reasons somewhere

they certainly did not include suspecting you because you're a dick

. That's NAI. You say I list that as a reason for you being mafia....

show me where I say that. You are LYING once again.

havingfitz seemed bad, but I'm not certain he's scum.

hapahauli I'm somewhat certain, he's pretty under the radar and seems happy with havingfitz' lynch.

Hapa's willingness to skirt around the prod, avoid attracting attention and promise content without delivering any, after coming damn close to the noose D1 with damn good reason, are even more good reasons than they were 3 days ago to put up a wagon there IMO. However, seeing as how Fitz has just been caught in what I'm fairly sure is at least one lie... I'm willing to hear a response, but the most Fitz waffles and the more things like this pop up, the less emphatically I'm against the wagon.

[Creature]

What is his lie?

[Creature]

Not voting: hapahauli, havingfitz

You know what? Atleast one of them should've been voting the other.

[KidAmn]

What is his lie?

The two posts quoted have, as part of Fitz' list of grievances prior to the statement "Ooo wagon would work as well", accusing Ooo of Ad-hom and disparaging others abilities. I don't think it's a stretch to say that falls under inferring that Ooo is a dick as part of why Fitz wants him lynched.

[KidAmn]

Not voting: hapahauli, havingfitz

You know what? Atleast one of them should've been voting the other.

Inclined to think Fitz is tunnelling on Ooo with his counter-case and hapa just straight up doesn't want to post anything more than a prod-dodge.

[Creature]

idk, at first glance they fit so well as scum together.

[havingfitz]

cassie...your post 1783 seems like you are saying I am scum because I do not realize (post flip) that Aubrey is town. You even provide links to the mod's reveals. How you can make that point against me when no where do I insinuate I do not know (today on D2) that Aubrey is confimred town by virtue of his flip and subsequent town status.

You are using Aubrey's flip as a negative towards comments I am making to OoO that are not meant to factor in Aubrey's ACTUAL flip. You say it indicates that I "AM NOT READING THE GAME". You should actually be ashamed of yourself for bringing this hypothesis even up for consideration. To insinuate I did not realize Aubrey's alignment was know when D2 started is completely absurd.

I do not see how you can push such a theory.

[cassielle]

cassie...your post 1783 seems like you are saying I am scum because I do not realize (post flip) that Aubrey is town. You even provide links to the mod's reveals. How you can make that point against me when no where do I insinuate I do not know (today on D2) that Aubrey is confimred town by virtue of his flip and subsequent town status.

You are using Aubrey's flip as a negative towards comments I am making to OoO that are not meant to factor in Aubrey's ACTUAL flip. You say it indicates that I "AM NOT READING THE GAME".

You should actually be ashamed of yourself for bringing this hypothesis even up for consideration.

To insinuate I did not realize Aubrey's alignment was know when D2 started is completely absurd.

I do not see how you can push such a theory.

because i didnt think you would even start talking about pre-flip for reasons mentioned in my last post aimed at you, skipping the flip seemed much more likely

now that i know youre on some crazy tangent with ooo, i posted an updated reply -- and you completely dodged it so you could aim ad hominem at me instead of providing new information for consideration (proof bolded)

well done. now that youve gotten your mockery in (which is something you said was scummy about ooo, you really are hypocritical in how you play yknow) you can maybe read 1797 and give me answers

[cassielle]

1795*** sorry

[outoforder]

So havingiftz basically responded to my case with "i have been making posts which can.mean this or that depending on the situation".

Scummyscumscum lymch

[Rels]

meh. I wanted to read the thread tonight but I spent the evening playing Battlerite. See you tomorrow p:

[outoforder]

You suspect them cause they are voting you and have a cold foul mouth at times?

Voting me and having a foul mouth aren't automaticreasons for suspicion.

I'm not presenting a case on OoO. I'm complaining about the fact he's ignored my questions...made no case on me I can see and is discrediting other players.

Which when laid out like that is stuff I find suspect

in varying degrees. Zzzzzz
Out...

So here. I didnt lie. You literally said you find this kind of behaviour suspicioys in this occasion.

He's prolly gonna go the "but i could also mean the other thing" route again.

[KidAmn]

Considering I'm patiently awaiting an response to what I pointed out (which he must have seen unless he really isn't reading the thread...)

unvote

for now.

[BlackVoid]

Going to look over Fitz's and outoforder's cases on each other in a bit but first:

@Mod

- can you prod hapahauli?

[hapahauli]

Hello. Reading. Just wrapped up another game, which was the priority.

[havingfitz]

I'm at the start of a 3 day weekend....so posting time will be limited for a few days. I might be able to get some time later today but skiing tomorrow...so very very limited tomorrow. And Sunday not looking too good. Other than quick responses from phone no substantial posting will be available.

I haven't read anything since my last post. I'm not sure what the vote count is but:

VOTE: hapa

I'd vote OoO but I do not feel I have had time to summarize my suspicions of him properly. We have a lot of time left in the day so if people want to wait I can promise Monday. Otherwise...(AtE alert! AtE alert!) I feel I am going to be in defense mode for the entirety of my time left in this game so it might be better for town to just push through the lynch on me while there are mislynches to spare.

Whatever you all (town) decide works for me.

[havingfitz]

so you could aim ad hominem

Saying you should be ashamed of yourself is an ad hom? That's pretty thin skinned. Wait...is that an ad hom too?

[cassielle]

so you could aim ad hominem

Saying you should be ashamed of yourself is an ad hom? That's pretty thin skinned. Wait...is that an ad hom too?

ad hominem: attacking the person, not the argument
or in this: attacking the player, not their play
(there are a few times where a player's personal skill (good or bad) comes up in mafia as something potentially AI, but you can always find a way to say it that isnt attacking the player. you werent saying anything about my alignment there so that doesnt work as a defense)

but gj, once again you manage to deflect from the post i made in 1795
its almost like you have no sufficiently townie response to 1795

just in case you missed it this is 1795:1795

[hapahauli]

Fitz/Rels

Nothing to add about Fitz regarding OoO's case. He got his hand caught in the cookie jar with his Aubrey read.

Rels is just pushing mafia objectives in the thread. Was fairly cavalier about the D1 lynch. I think basically everyone else is town. Kop is the margin for error here.

VOTE: Fitz

[BlackVoid]

I think that's L-1. No one hammer please. I'm going to do a review of D2.

[L-1] havingfitz - outoforder, cassielle, momo, Kop, hapahauli
[L-2] hapahauli - BlackVoid, Rels, Creature, havingfitz
[L-5] outoforder - KidAmn

@Hap, when you voted Hawk, were you still scumreading Aubrey? And give me more than just "it's Fitz/Rels and it's obvious." I could see them potentially being scum and I could also see you as scum and anything to help get a better read would be appreciated.

[BlackVoid]

Okay, why Rels? I don't like Rels' hesitation to vote Hawk towards the end of deadline but I do think Hawk voting Rels after I made my case on you seems like an odd thing for a partner to do. I also thought Rels' progression on Hawk looked fairly natural.

[BlackVoid]

What mafia objectives is Rels pushing? That whole paragraph is really weird. I'm not sure on Fitz but I have a really hard time buying Hap as town here. Can someone unvote Fitz while I re-read please.

@Cass, KidAmn - you were pretty set on wanting to lynch Hap. What happened now?