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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:37 pm
by mhsmith0
Well I've been spoiled, so I know how good or bad my reads are
Was kind of an interesting game, curious what people think of how it's gone so far and my play (first d1 mislynch, wasn't super fun, but lolwillage or something I guess *shrugs* )
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:48 pm
by Postie
smith summoned me here.
I wonder why RC replaced out.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:49 pm
by PenguinPower
I know why.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:03 pm
by mhsmith0
Sad to see RC replaced out
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:06 pm
by mhsmith0
OJ poured, candle is toasty
with this chant, I summon postie
almost as good as original
Kaze13 wrote:OJ poured
candle + lighter
with this chant
i summon phighter
RC replacing out part way through the night makes me feel like he replaced because of a dispute with a scumbuddy. And then I think that scum!RC would have known that it could be interpreted that way and done it differently so he must be town. :S
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:44 pm
by Postie
I should probably actually read the game because I followed along for the first couple of pages and thought it looked interesting but then somewhere along the line I got lost.
What I remember is Grey/RC interactions feeling weird and mastina feeling weird and having no idea whether any of that meant anything.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:45 pm
by mhsmith0
Not sure how much you read, but my departing reads were essentially
icy/dark - mech clears
dogwatch - pretty hard town
mastina - pretty hard town
oldwino - townish
POE of RC, Grey, lemon, with lemon my strongest read.
Also PM'd mods guessing RC/lemon or Grey/oldwino as the two scumteams I was mulling over before I died.
I've been spoiled, so I know how accurate I was or wasn't, but I'm curious what your reads are on the game state overall.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:05 pm
by Postie
Ugh just rereading the first few pages and knowing how the day ended I want to immediately call the team as RC/Grey. I know Grey and RC have played lots of other games together though so it could be that Grey is just honestly this bad and RC isn't trying to powerlynch his ass because he's seen him be this bad before, but... god their interactions towards each other are so ://////////
In post 473, mastina wrote:Living up to your title--your title's not just because you're a reviewer. It is also a reflection of your style as a town player: balanced. Reasonable.
Yet this game, you are consistently displaying a tone which is frankly outright hostile to others
. There's a lack of clear, strong, decisive logic, both in your posts and in your actions.
You come across as angry. You come across as vain. You come across as looking down on others. You come across as argumentative
.
Ooh, a bunch of town tells!
In post 473, mastina wrote:Yet here, with you on the fence about literally fucking everything (I can point to your read on every player and why it is weak), you're doing nothing to try and strengthen any of those reads. You're happy, you're content, just leaving them as they have been. And that's why I think you are scum.
I actually believe that mastina believes this. I also cringe when reading her walls, and realize that I should probably have spent less time getting irritated at what she's been doing and more time actually being productive.
Regardless of her alignment, I think getting into a big fight with her was counter-productive and prevented me from being more generally useful, and I think that wasn't directly the reason i was lynched, but probably was the reason that I wasn't useful enough to put myself into a spot where I wouldn't get lynched.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:18 pm
by Postie
Can you give me a TL;DR of why you had a hardtownread on her to save me having to read 20+ more pages? Because I'm pretty much hardtownreading everyone else outside of RC/Grey.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:23 pm
by mhsmith0
Basically her entire game screamed out really terrible town more than anything else. Like at some point when someone is playing a game practically designed to get everyone mad at her and get herself lynched, it's just generally town.
Also a bunch of stuff that she did exhibited pretty extreme confbias, which when real is always town (wolves need to fake it since they know the answer). Also it was clear she was trying to solve but doing so badly. Also it seemed like she lacked the thread awareness to understand just how badly people were taking her posts, as well as the fact that it was merited (which is probably part of why she basically omgus scum read everyone pushing/voting her early) etc etc etc
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:29 pm
by mhsmith0
I've also been derp-pushed by a bunch of people for various reasons over the last half year or so, and I've seen people play bad town games a decent amount of time too (including ones I've modded). So I guess I'm sensitive to the possibility, and eventually shifted into thinking that was so. I'll also just quote soah (PROBABLY the best player I've ever played with or against) talking to Titus in rio http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... post516787
Titus - I tried to get her to clear herself to me by showing me that she's playing a good village game, but she instead wanted to clear herself to me by showing that she's playing a bad village game. I set a high bar for people who go that route, but she is putting on a good performance so far.
And basically say that something similar applied to my read here.
Ps fwiw, RC/grey was something I was slightly tinfoiling over, especially since they were both in POE, but figured they wouldn't likely go at each other like that (especially on grey side) if they were buddies.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:38 pm
by Postie
Okay, thanks.
I won't say that Grey/RC is 100% scum or close to it because I know RC hates it when I do shit like that, but like, I'm fairly confident for ~reasons~ (that I don't want to go into so as to not help RC be more unreadable as scum than he currently is) that the earlygame Grey/RC interactions are SvS and were planned pre-game.
It's a very clichéd 2015!RC move so I'm surprised to see it again here; it's the kind of thing I'd expect him to want to move away from.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:39 pm
by mhsmith0
Fwiw, a thought I had early was that RC/mastina might have been early theater, like the inverse of RC/ranger in open 635 where ranger pushed RC early and then "came around" on the slot.
But then I started town reading mastina and dumped that one low on the triage list.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:13 am
by mhsmith0
In post 894, Alisae wrote:Alright this is textbook scum!Grey sheep me guys I didn't read the rest of the game besides Grey's ISO at all. VOTE: Grey
For my next magic trick, I will make Grey's scumbuddy bus him because that's the best way to play mafia.
In all seriousness I can explain a bit more in-depth when I get home.
Spoiler:
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:15 am
by mhsmith0
I'm also going to just go ahead and presume that scum buried a bullet on the BP instead of shooting the tracker as they needed to do like 100% of the time.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:16 am
by PenguinPower
In post 18, mhsmith0 wrote:I'm also going to just go ahead and presume that scum buried a bullet on the BP instead of shooting the tracker as they needed to do like 100% of the time.
Spoiler: The Answer
Nope. They forgot to submit a night kill.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:23 am
by mhsmith0
Spoiler:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:37 am
by Postie
Just got spoilers.
Spoiler:
Yeah I'm dumb.
In post 15, Postie wrote:It's a very clichéd 2015!RC move so I'm surprised to see it again here; it's the kind of thing I'd expect him to want to move away from.
Should've listened to the niggling feeling I had that this was too easy.
In post 894, Alisae wrote:Alright this is textbook scum!Grey sheep me guys I didn't read the rest of the game besides Grey's ISO at all. VOTE: Grey
For my next magic trick, I will make Grey's scumbuddy bus him because that's the best way to play mafia.
In all seriousness I can explain a bit more in-depth when I get home.
Sorry but you're wrong.
For my next truck, I'm going to disappear.
replace out
That looks a LOT like a strategic subout, in a freaking newbie game. Not cool at all.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:06 am
by Postie
Spoiler:
Since I was wrong I'll explain how I got to that conclusion a bit further. Basically I hardscumread Grey's push on RC for a bunch of reasons, and found RC's response to it really underwhelming in that I expected some of the things Grey said to warrant basically not unvoting him for the rest of the game. I also found both of their initial jumps onto each other (not their votes; just how they initiated their interactions) a bit too hasty/eager, which also then didn't seem to match with the underwhelmingness of how they followed through on those pushes, and that made the whole thing look fake to me.
So basically I thought Grey was super scum and then BoP'd RC which in hindsight is stupid pls don't be mad at me RC ;-;
In post 894, Alisae wrote:Alright this is textbook scum!Grey sheep me guys I didn't read the rest of the game besides Grey's ISO at all. VOTE: Grey
For my next magic trick, I will make Grey's scumbuddy bus him because that's the best way to play mafia.
In all seriousness I can explain a bit more in-depth when I get home.
Sorry but you're wrong.
For my next truck, I'm going to disappear.
replace out
That looks a LOT like a strategic subout, in a freaking newbie game. Not cool at all.
Spoiler:
Maybe, but I think it's best not to make assumptions. He could have wanted to replace out and just chosen what looked like the most towny place to do that at the start of the day, rather than replacing out just because he thought it would make him look town.
