Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Titus]

Whatever. Just get a fucking wagon not on obvious town or Dunn. I am checked out of this day. The fact jj isn't fullclaiming says volumes.

[Titus]

VOTE: s letters

Then let's fry this. Pretty sure scum just aren't bussing here but I don't give a shit.

[Titus]

Whatever. Just get a fucking wagon not on obvious town or Dunn. I am checked out of this day. The fact jj isn't fullclaiming says volumes.

.....Im getting these scumpings again

Yours never left.

[Titus]

At any rate were not doing this shit game any longer. Were lynching someone or not.

Were not FUCKING OUTING all goddamn town roles.

No shit but that requires forcing people to fucking vote rather than be on islands like random.

[Titus]

Whatever. Just get a fucking wagon not on obvious town or Dunn. I am checked out of this day. The fact jj isn't fullclaiming says volumes.

.....Im getting these scumpings again

Yours never left.

Whatever, theres still 2 scum minimum in Titus/Gigabyte/Heart/Transcend

I'm actually somewhat open to Heartless being scum, but I am loyaling him so whatever.

Transcend and Eddie aren't scum.

[Titus]

Anyway, I retract giving your wish is my command to titus. I'll give it elsewhere.

Sorry for working with you by moving my vote and ending the day like you want.

[Titus]

Whatever. Just get a fucking wagon not on obvious town or Dunn. I am checked out of this day. The fact jj isn't fullclaiming says volumes.

.....Im getting these scumpings again

Yours never left.

Whatever, theres still 2 scum minimum in Titus/Gigabyte/Heart/Transcend

I'm actually somewhat open to Heartless being scum, but I am loyaling him so whatever.

Transcend and Eddie aren't scum.

Yeah, I actually really really think they are.

Then why haven't we lynched yet?
No. Those two are giving off their town tells.

[Titus]

motion detector is pretty close to useless in role madness anywyas

ROFL, you did -NOT- just say that

what does it do? everyone has an action mostly

People can be in passive bonds.

He can motion detect if there's movement around a passive person. that means someone visited them and when massclaim happens we can find liars and such.

His passive also, if I am understanding, detects if the passive person moved. So unless there's a ninja roleblocker, jj would always get a yes targeting me, so what's the point?

[Titus]

Yeah, it's Vecna but hey at least you're open to the possibility.

I'll just active bond with Aelita night 2 and trigger my probable innocent child if it's still an issue. I say probable because my active is ???? Your true nature will be revealed.

I'm done with scum crapping up this game anyway.

[Titus]

The only one thats been crapping up the game is you Titus. You've been calling my reads and participation shit all game, yet lo and behold - youre suddenly starting to come around to some of my reads!.

To one maybe but I am solving this. You interfering with my loyal check is still crap. You blocking lynches with spam is crap.

We need to lynch someone.

You've thrown out so much spam when TB should gave just flipped scum already not even I can keep up.

[Titus]

Titus is continuing to misunderstand my role claim.

You can try again.

[Titus]

Vecna's not spamming.

Activity is not spam if there's content.

Yes it is, if it does nothing to help town.

Dunn's town, I am town, Alisae is town, Eddie is town, Aelita is town

AND WE ALL WANT A FUCKING LYNCH. VECNA KEEPS BLOCKING LYNCHES SO IT IS SPAM.

[Titus]

VOTE: shiqf

That might be hammer. I dunno and don't care.

[Titus]

That's L-1 ... you were already voting S letters

Ok.

[Titus]

all people had to do was just shut the fuck up and do nothing for a little while and instead you inject the thread with another 30 pages. have fucking fun whoever makes it to d5 in this god damn mess of a game.

(Hugs)

[Titus]

This is one hell of a first game here btw

Sorry. I can't force people to compromise onto decent lynches. I hope you're having fun regardless of your alignment.

[Titus]

Well i didn't hammer but good info here.

[Titus]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

Two are likely me. One is likely Dunn being a watcher. The last is probably scum.

If my theory is correct, the person who visited me is town.

[Titus]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

Two are likely me. One is likely Dunn being a watcher. The last is probably scum.

If my theory is correct, the person who visited me is town.

i though dunn was supposed to track u

Track me or watch you. Either way reveals if I visited you. That's the important thing.

[Titus]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

Two are likely me. One is likely Dunn being a watcher. The last is probably scum.

If my theory is correct, the person who visited me is town.

i though dunn was supposed to track u

Track me or watch you. Either way reveals if I visited you. That's the important thing.

Wait a second, Gork died. That puts a huge hole in the last visitor must be scum.

[Titus]

Gork bubbled Alisae.

Dunn should confirm my visit numbers.

[Titus]

Aelita, wanna bond?

[Titus]

Will do mine in a bit.

[Titus]

I agree with heartless on random but I wanna hear from dunn.

[Titus]

Done. Just give me tome a bit. Please no fast day. Something is not right.

[Titus]

I guess Dunn and myself?

I wasn't expecting a public mass watcher result so i visited you in case dunn wasnt a watcher and fakeclaimed a result

We're a pick cop btw, should I claim our result?

So why did you claim this yourself before I could claim my results

What are they? Did you track me or watch Heartless? Confirm or deny me visiting twice?

[Titus]

Four people visiting heartless seems like a lot.....

Two are likely me. One is likely Dunn being a watcher. The last is probably scum.

If my theory is correct, the person who visited me is town.

Wasnt it jj the motion detector? Guess id have to reevuate his claim but he voted you iirc.

Yeah, that old theory is bunk. I forgot Gork died.

[Titus]

So, the only way Heartless is scum is if Dunn is also scum.

[Titus]

I have a dumb question. Why didn't scum interfere with me Dunn or Heartless?

[Titus]

I saw Titus visit twice and eddiebyte visit

Titus, what if eddie/giga is a role like the one i picked in civ?

This shit is highly suspicious dont you agree?

At any rate, my activity the coming days will be a bit lower and ill be limited to phone posting which i hate. Ill try to stay up to date but itll be harder if a lot of apam occurs. Back to normal activity on tuesday.

Remind me which one that is?

[Titus]

whew... i do not have enough bullets...

Talk to me here.

[Titus]

So, the only way Heartless is scum is if Dunn is also scum.

Or giga with a role that can change investigation outcomes

Game not advertised as bastard?

[Titus]

So, the only way Heartless is scum is if Dunn is also scum.

Or giga with a role that can change investigation outcomes

Game not advertised as bastard?

Neither was civ?

Civ told players every role in play...

[Titus]

plus if he were a town!watcher and we were a scum!pick cop how does that visit even negatively impact the result??

Dual visit roles are a thing. My passive technically triggers two visits after all.

[Titus]

A role that changes results isn't bastard
Just non-normal

That said, They knew Heartless picks (I assume that's all correct as Heartless hasn't said anything)

It's bastard if we have no way of deducing it...

[Titus]

I kinda wanna back away from the role mechanics for a bit.

VOTE: random

What do you think of this Vecna?

[Titus]

A role that changes results isn't bastard
Just non-normal

That said, They knew Heartless picks (I assume that's all correct as Heartless hasn't said anything)

It's bastard if we have no way of deducing it...

Yeah thats why someone would have to visit them in order to change it and be spotted by watcher/tracker.

Framer is a non normal role, but not a bastard role.

True, but that would mean Eddie would still have to be aware of Heartless's picks somehow.

[Titus]

I hate Vecna's d1 play, but the sudden sheeping there also makes me feel uneasy.

[Titus]

Also, I guess you can still use our bond vecna but I can't talk in it

I don't think if I bonded to someone else that person would be added to our bond as a weird third party, though. I don't understand that

Read Gork's role.

[Titus]

My it's a trap sensors are going up.

[Titus]

hey Titus and vecna

how do you propose scum mess with watcher aside from blocking if they have a blocker or killing them? 4763 makes no sense because visiting heartless doesn't change any results, it literally adds us as a heartless visitor which we proved is true via pick cop. that helps verify watcher isn't scum with Titus, not messes with their result

They could pick just to kill Heartless, but that didn't happen.
They could pick to block me, but that didn't happen.
They could pick to kill me, but that didn't happen.
They could kill dunn, but that didn't happen.
They could to block dunn, but that didn't happen.

The only way that's even theoretically possible is if Eddie visited and changed the results, but that's just sketch and I don't really buy that.

The only solutions here mean suboptimal play or a jonky setup.

What's your read on random Eddie?

[Titus]

@dunn, so you DO agree with me about bussing?

eddie wanting day 1 over was pro fucking town.

@titus, what's a trap? explain it to me like i'm five?

My last post explains it well. Basically, my wtf why they do that sensors are pinging like mad.

[Titus]

VOTE: random

[Titus]

"why didn't scum do this"

Maybe they got countered by town basically

maybe a jailkeeper targeted a scum roleblocker or something

There's only so many visits unaccounted for...

*mutters incoherently and stares at her metaphysical wall of strings*

[Titus]

A lynch on Random is completely off the table.

Why?

[Titus]

The only way that's even theoretically possible is if Eddie visited and changed the results, but that's just sketch and I don't really buy that.

RC doesn't seem to be the type of game designer to randomly fuck over investigative roles. We're talking about the same guy who told his cop there was a godfather in their role PM.
Even without that mod meta tidbit, thinking there's

another

scum role that screws with investigations

after

a godfather flip is a pretty wide chasm to try to jump. Vecna's a little scummier for pushing that to me too. :\

Yeah I guess. I just don't like the answer I'm left with if that's the case.

[Titus]

Do you need to push this or can you just take my word about Alisae's word for it

We need reasons from Alisae. I don't think you're lying but pretty firmly saying no makes me go wtf...

[Titus]

All I said is it's not an investigative clear

Yeah, it's pretty clear we want to know WHY you feel that random is a bad lynch. He was pretty clear in the scum lynch provides no information camp, which means he's a prime candidate for sorting for me.

[Titus]

Okay then, Alisae was trying to get me to stop beating around the bush but I wanted to try.

Ali and Random are in an unbreakable bond

So lovers or they just have a permanent hood?

[Titus]

Permanent hood. And Alisae used this to sort Random.

*skeptic ping* I have trouble believing both permanent hoods are all town.

[Titus]

Then Aelita would be my first port of call as opposed to those two.

No. Aelita is strongly implied as town due to the role PM of Gork and I'm pretty confident this isn't Aelita's scum game.

[Titus]

I do have a townread on Random independent of things Ali says.

Also Titus, where does Gork's role PM "strongly imply" Aelita is town? I'm interested in where the hell this defence has come from.

Gork was told that Aelita was Navy.

[Titus]

Why do you seem so annoyed that I'm townreading Aelita when I've been TRing them since go?

[Titus]

That doesn't mean shit though, Titus.

I thought you lead the charge on the "Flavour and role are not alignment indicative" shit against Vecna?

That's why I said suggests, rather than clears.

[Titus]

I have no issue with your townread on Aelita because I also townread Aelita. I just think Alisae and Random are more likely to be town.

Again, why is random town? I think you're implicitly agreeing with me that one of these permanent hoods has a scum in it. Yet, you're townreading all 3 living permanent hood members. You also seem quite pissed at me personally for townreading random. None of this explains why random is town to you, or why I should look at Aelita first.

[Titus]

It does not suggest a thing. You cannot take even a shred of alignment indicativeness from this.

I can townread Aelita because Star Wars if I want to.

[Titus]

Truth is, I townread Aelita because I know Aelita over a span of years that I've been working with them on their play. I know you don't have that with random jj.

[Titus]

Hey curiosity. What is Alisae's phrase she always says to me in dead chat?

[Titus]

*he

[Titus]

And Alisae is back. Titus-

OMGAWD IT'S A TITUS! . . ?

Yup. Ok, you are in contact with Alisae in some manner.

[Titus]

Oh and I've thought of an even better system for Alisae approval. If Random gives Alisae 2 words, 1 for good and 1 for help me I'm trapped in a chat with a crazy person, then we have two distinct states rather than 1 state and the absence of that state.

Nah, we're just lynching random.

[Titus]

I think McMenno is a better lynch but I'm not gonna be on the wagon because of my role

Nah don't feel it.

@Dunn, meh underwhelmed but I'd compromise there. Let's do random

[Titus]

Dunn are you ok with tracking me or watching Aelita?

[Titus]

Alright so I'm not interested in digging through 200 pages of shit

What notable claims have been made

I am loyal in passive bond.
Dunn is tracker or watcher depending on bond.
Heartless is town barring a ninja framer or Eddie framer and that just seems unlikely.
Eddie visited Heartless with his pick cop last night.

[Titus]

Ah thank fuck heartless got townfirmed

They were scary.

Not townfirmed but damn near it.

Dunn would have to be lying or Eddie had to double visit and change the result.

Ninja framer is out because big brother wouldn't detect them.

[Titus]

Wait do bonds not continue after night phase?

Heartless and I are still chatting.

[Titus]

titus why would we want to leash dunn now...?

with the public results i'd feel it'd be more useful to read his actions based on who he decides to watch

otherwise scum (regardless of dunn's alignment) can play around whatever we leash him to do if it's not for a specific purpose

Leashing Dunn gets more clears and you won't visit my hood target. Eventually, scum run out of good options.

[Titus]

So did you use an action on someone last night and did it succeed?

My loyal action probably succeeded. My normal action did too.

[Titus]

Why is jj speaking on behalf of Alisae

Alisae is bubbled and cannot post in thread

[Titus]

>goes to wiki for millionth time

Create the page "Bubbled" on this wiki!

There were no results matching the query.

Alright I'll bite. Wtf does bubbled mean?

Kept alive but cannot post.

[Titus]

Okay so silenced?

But he can speak in the hood?

Yes

[Titus]

Was a meme vote anyways

Let's take a shot at this

VOTE: Firebringer

Random's a good lynch.

[Titus]

Hmm i was town reading him d1

Why is randomidget mafia?

Did everything in his power to derail shiqf.

[Titus]

A jj lynch would do wonders for VCA. Still prefer random. Random claiming =/= town. I respect I was wrong in Ny 199 and random hasn't lied. I still see nothing town.

@Alisae, It's too early for even basic vca. It's day 2.

[Titus]

Asking Titus where the lynches are at, really.

Me and the voice in my head don't want a me lynch or a Random lynch, and people seem to be treading carefully around the idea that Eddie might be scum. I think it needs evaluation.

Seems like bartering.

[Titus]

It kinda is. You're a firm townread and I want you actually treading in the right direction.

By treating me as if I am not smart enough to decipher a roleclaim or giving me in thread reasons to support your action?

[Titus]

scum had to bus shiqf at some point. Shiqf couldn't kill, so they couldn't leave him as last scum

Not that it matter but is that true? Dont svum usually win in a 1v1 even if they dont got nk possibility?

Yes, usually. I won a lylo as scum without a vote before, plus shiqf was godfather. Plus the large jj counter. Evidence suggests little bussing unless jj also scum.

[Titus]

Titus, if we bond or both bond with Heartless I can explain it to you

No. I am bonding with Alisae. I want her to be conftown. Your option bond with Heartless again limits my utility. I also don't really feel like bonding with you because I don't trust you. Today, I made a promise. Ask tomorrow.

[Titus]

Bonding with Aelita

My bad typo.

[Titus]

Well okay, but if you aren't going to bond with me you're going to have to agree not to lynch Random or me or Alisae until you do.

No. I don't have to agree to anything, especially when you are not a townread.

[Titus]

Titus, if we bond or both bond with Heartless I can explain it to you

No. I am bonding with Alisae. I want her to be conftown. Your option bond with Heartless again limits my utility. I also don't really feel like bonding with you because I don't trust you. Today, I made a promise. Ask tomorrow.

How about you bond with me instead? Or giga. Id much prefer a townclear on someone that is largely contested but will have a positive impact later on in the game if townfirmed.

Aelita is contested too.

[Titus]

Titus, if we bond or both bond with Heartless I can explain it to you

No. I am bonding with Alisae. I want her to be conftown. Your option bond with Heartless again limits my utility. I also don't really feel like bonding with you because I don't trust you. Today, I made a promise. Ask tomorrow.

How about you bond with me instead? Or giga. Id much prefer a townclear on someone that is largely contested but will have a positive impact later on in the game if townfirmed.

Stop, drop and don't interfere with other people's plans.

We're bonding but I kinda feel good about Vecna wanting to be conftown oddly enough.

[Titus]

If you really feel that, then bond with him. He is right about that one at least, I am kinda useless as conftown.

But you really wanted to bond with me....I don't wanna leave you out again....

[Titus]

If you really feel that, then bond with him. He is right about that one at least, I am kinda useless as conftown.

But you really wanted to bond with me....I don't wanna leave you out again....

Yes, and I still do, but......I don't know.....

I'll stay with you then. I want to visit players I TR but others take issue with.

I hope that big brother thing is around tomorrow.

[Titus]

The JJ pushes are generally awful though and him being counter wagon to scum surely suggests town?

Unless you have a theory that involves scum making a concerted push on JJ in order to save shiqf, no.
Please tell me more about your read on JJ.

It's just another theory that scum dual bus to keep us fractured.

That's why a JJ flip helps for VCA.

[Titus]

titus bond with me

She is my partner.

sorry but i'm not dealing with round 2 of this bullshit

Yeah you unfortunately are because I want to clear Alisae. I am only one woman.

[Titus]

titus bond with me

She is my partner.

sorry but i'm not dealing with round 2 of this bullshit

Yeah you unfortunately are because I want to clear Alisae. I am only one woman.

Aelita damn keys.

[Titus]

plus if we actually knew how he was flipping I DONT THINK WE POSTURE EOD ABOUT HOW IT'S A ML

I don't know if you would or wouldn't tbh.

Why wouldn't you?

i sure as hell wouldnt bc like people will find us being on the wagon weird and poke at that

we were a day 1 wagon i dont want even more heat on me

and i'd argue that the weaker claim looks better because tracker/watcher is way fucking stronger than what shiqf had so if dunn were actually town here then shiqf claiming would have probably brought attention back on dunn for having a really strong pr when town has things like our stupid fucking PICK COP

Any role is strong in context.

[Titus]

Eddie, can you promise not to visit Aelita tonight?

[Titus]

Yeah, no on eddiebtye.

Jj random plus one more

[Titus]

VOTE: Aelita

Back off. I'm copping them tonight. Vote someone who can actually be scum.

[Titus]

I'm thinking Fire, Alisae, Random, Frog, Titus, Heartless, Vecna and maybe Transcend are all town. Not sure about Dunn.

ok -- we basically have the same reads

No shit. It's jj random bella most likely.

[Titus]

Back off. I'm copping them tonight. Vote someone who can actually be scum.

then why are you copping them if they can't be scum?

To prove it.

[Titus]

I can almost guarantee scum bussed when shiqf looked inevitable, so it's either Eddie or Aelita...or both.

pedit: I promise it's not bella...also, this back off shit aint gonna fly with me. I have cop results too

Then claim them.

[Titus]

cool, then i'll cop eddie tonight

I like this.

[Titus]

I can almost guarantee scum bussed when shiqf looked inevitable, so it's either Eddie or Aelita...or both.

pedit: I promise it's not bella...also, this back off shit aint gonna fly with me. I have cop results too

Then claim them.

i'm not claiming shit right now. that's anti-town

UNVOTE:

If you have cop results that show I am wrong, I would love that.

[Titus]

we're not lynching bella aelita or eddie today then.

so where are we lynching titus?

Random

[Titus]

I would compromise on JJ only if there were no other options. I townread him

McMenno?

pedit: trust me -- it's better not to claim right now.

Errrr

I kinda only want jj random bella

[Titus]

i'm going to need to be sold on random otherwise i'm lynching in your townreads (eddie or aelita)

Yeah, random basically said shiqf was info lynch, got pissed at lynching scum, tried to start shit between me and vecna and that's the bulk.

Eddie is gun to my head town. Never touch a hair on aelita's head.

[Titus]

Frog, Random revealed to Alisae. We are absolutely not lynching Random today.

Yeah, we are lynching there. So what he claimed. Scum can have townie looking claims.

@Frogger, please consider copping Dunn.

[Titus]

Paraphrased. He said to work around Titus. The tunneling town part was in there.

Hey, I am not tunnelling. Just whatever case exists on Eddie exists tenfold on random.

[Titus]

>I am not tunneling
>My scumreads are jj, Random and Bella and nothing will dissuade me of that
>Also they're the only valid lynch options

No. Actual evidence would dissuade me.

Random claimed is not evidence. Scum want townie sounding claims out early.

The only lynch options should be people I think to be scum. That's not surprising. Everyone else I've had a hint of a townread at some point in the game.

[Titus]

Yeah, well that's because scum are obvious and being defended for the shittiest of reasons.

[Titus]

Are you sure they're obvious

You don't have the best accuracy for d1/d2 reads. No one does tbh. Are you extra sure though?

It's just town are that obvious though. No one has given a reason I can interact with for random being town and everyone is pursuing pet lynches.

[Titus]

Like, I haven't ruled out a couple players that have been wagoned but who and how they were wagoned makes them definite nopes.

I am trying to search for a better lynch, but there just isn't one.

Also my early game is improving but not flawless.

[Titus]

I offered you reasons for Random being town if you were to bond with me and you refused.

No. I want them today, based on his play. Scum role pms can sound like town. That's not a reason to TR Random, supposing he fullclaimed.

I am checking Aelita.

[Titus]

If you're so opposed to an Eddie lynch, what's wrong with McMenno?


Transcend, don't do that. Random lynch is a big no. Me and Alisae will not allow it.

McMenno obvtowned all of yesterday and today.

Aside from random's roleclaim, what is town about him?

[Titus]

VOTE: random

Don't agree with this but hey i can be wrong

Why do you not agree?

[Titus]

Sorry, no can do. And I can't have you lynching him either so stop with your stubbornness. If you won't take my word on this, take Alisae's.


PEdit: Fuck no McMenno did not obvtown please point that out if you think he did.

PEdit2: I like Eddie and McMenno as potential wagons.

When you tell me why random is town besides claim, ok. Otherwise, I don't engage scum trying to dodge giving answers.

[Titus]

VOTE: jjh927

[Titus]

Spring Fever Mafia

Votecount 2.211:

Vecna (4): Aelita, EddieByte, Firebringer, Mcmenno
EddieByte (4): jjh927, Dunnstral, Fro99er, Transcend
Randomidget (0):
jjh927 (2): Heartless, Titus
Bellaphant (0):
Mcmenno (0):
Transcend (0):
Heartless (0):
Titus (0):
Firebringer (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Fro99er (0):
Aelita (0):

Alisae (

0

):

Not Voting: Vecna, Randomidget, Bellaphant

, Alisae

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
The day will end in (expired on 2017-05-11 11:00:00).

Oh look, the leading wagons are on town, my scumreads are not voting or circle jerking.

[Titus]

Sad because the Vecna wagon is 100% town.

[Titus]

titus bond with me

She is my partner.

sorry but i'm not dealing with round 2 of this bullshit

Yeah you unfortunately are because I want to clear Alisae. I am only one woman.

Why so insistent on wanting to clear aelita? It makes very little sense to me......

No offense but after youve seen a bunch of games where the tunneling people are the "clear" ones......and you knowing how usefull a town giga or vecna is.....this seemanlike a really weird and ineffective choice (only upside i can see is that it coukd force a scumkill there before endgame)

I remove the lynchbait options. Aelita tends to explode under pressure. You and Eddie will shine and prove my theories correct.

[Titus]

Aelita is useful to me. We steamrolled Suikoden mafia. I was killed n1 and her n2.

Just because she's lynchbaity doesn't make her not useful. She is more useful to me than you are.

[Titus]

titus bond with me

She is my partner.

sorry but i'm not dealing with round 2 of this bullshit

Yeah you unfortunately are because I want to clear Alisae. I am only one woman.

Why so insistent on wanting to clear aelita? It makes very little sense to me......

No offense but after youve seen a bunch of games where the tunneling people are the "clear" ones......and you knowing how usefull a town giga or vecna is.....this seemanlike a really weird and ineffective choice (only upside i can see is that it coukd force a scumkill there before endgame)

I remove the lynchbait options. Aelita tends to explode under pressure. You and Eddie will shine and prove my theories correct.

Fair enough. So much lynchbait in this game though

Then scum have to kill them.

[Titus]

VOTE: jj

You know why.

Thank you.

[Titus]

Sad because the Vecna wagon is 100% town.

so vote them?

No, because if y'all didn't want it yesterday and only care based on his theories, Vecna is getting wagoned because he's off the wall and not scum and scum will use his mislynch to shade my obvtown and keep coasting.

[Titus]

No, because if y'all didn't want it yesterday and only care based on his theories, Vecna is getting wagoned because he's off the wall and not scum and scum will use his mislynch to shade my obvtown and keep coasting.

Are you just going to be a contrarian today?
This reads like "Ohhh now that you want it, you can't have it!"

No, but posts like this make it tempting.

Why can't we actually lynch random? He's coasting.

[Titus]

No, but posts like this make it tempting.

Why can't we actually lynch random? He's coasting.

Because I just used an ability on him today and I would hate for it to go to waste because you prefer him over a different scum read of yours.

??? A day ability? That involves lynching?

[Titus]

Titus, could you please answer my question about what is obvtown about McMenno?

I told you I am not engaging your obvscum butt until you answer what is town about random. You refuse to do so and let him coast on his claim.

[Titus]

??? A day ability? That involves lynching?

Information day ability.
Randomidget has opportunity to give me all the secrets.

Randomidget? The obvious scumfuck that everyone is defending based on actions and night actions and I am supposed to take on blind faith? Like no one is even trying to defend his play.

[Titus]

Someone please shoot Firebringer? If he stays alive and continues to goad me, I go berserk, and berserk me is bad for the gamestate.

I did show you it isn't just sheeping, Firebringer. I showed all of you. And you ignored that post, so you have no right to lecture me.

No. You two need to hug and make up.

[Titus]

Someone please shoot Firebringer? If he stays alive and continues to goad me, I go berserk, and berserk me is bad for the gamestate.

I did show you it isn't just sheeping, Firebringer. I showed all of you. And you ignored that post, so you have no right to lecture me.

No. You two need to hug and make up.

That's impossible.

That can't possibly be!

THATS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

I have infinite smiles and hugs.

I'll keep giving you more until you make up.

[Titus]

I asked Aelita out on a date.
She declined.

I don't know how I can be any nicer than offering my spectacular company and free food.

Realize that your date pales in the comparison to infinite happiness. People want happiness. I am sorry for that.

[Titus]

JJ ignores post made by Titus arguing a meta reason on why Aelita isn't useless based on a game that JJ has never heard of.

Therefore he is scum.

Solid.

Firebringer townreads people, such as Shiro, based on the fact he likes them and then goes off on Yume for doing the same.

Solid.

Well, I townread Fire because I like him and this is his towngame most likely.

So hug it out.

giphy.com

[Titus]

By the way Random, both Eddie and McMenno are very much Alisae approved lynch wagon targets.

I don't buy this. also if they are not masons rando not conftown.

oh they are lovers aren't they? like you don't want to claim lovers boo fucking hoo.

no one cares

~narna

They claimed so they are conftown.

Not how it works.

Ooh counterwagon doesn't work as it's day 2 and that's not how VCA works.

The claim needs to be revealed otherwise those of us who don't know it or have reason to TR the claimant give it no value.

[Titus]

Anyone else down for ignoring Titus and Aelita?

Fire is town. I thought he was scum because of how he went about pushing me day 1 but he is town. He's the other scumread I reconsidered.

No theres two seperate townblocks this gsme and they need to unite.

People need to stop pushing me with ahit reasoning. Sonfar only titus and giga have stated any real reasons, and ill allow aelita their suspicions - the rest is all coasting scum pool and in need of sorting.

No. There is one townblock, scum and lurkers.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aelita

Wanted this d1 anyways

I am copping them Transcend.

[Titus]

Oh and Titus, Alisae wants a readlist.

Alisae or you? Ranger style or more detail?

[Titus]

Town

Titus - Because Happiness.
Heartless - Because Check. This will stay here until Eddie or Dunn is show to be scum but by play alone, he's lean town. I have one or two urges to SR him, which I just cannot escape.
Firebringer - Because cuteness.
Aelita - Because of personal knowledge with them.
Alisae - Because of Day 1. Their shitty pushes today had them fall of a bit but it could be scum jj.
Dunn - Because roleclaim.
Frogger - Because of cop hint. Concern about both slots being town but with gf flipped, they'll poe each other long before endgame. Also refuses to vote scum, so he's lower. Hasn't really displayed his awesome working with people skills. Shiqf flip suggests a cop exists though.
Trans - Because Mini 1900, he's town.
McMenno - Is obvious town in his limited replies and only mentioned as scum because other mislynches are failing.
Thinkbig/Vecna - Pretty town based on play today.
Eddie - Same and had more articulated reasons for their play yesterday. Only so low because if 1900.
Line of lynchability
Jj- Basically refuses to suspect or discuss anyone on this pool. Requires suboptimal actions to communicate and tries to dictate who I check to leave mislynches open.
Bella - Coasting.
Random - Shit reason to defend shiqf. Tried to get me/Vecna to fight. Trying to coast on roleclaim when hiding it shouldn't matter given the power we have.

[Titus]

^
should be obvious at this point why to ignore titus

We have a cop, tracker, loyal role already claimed. Any particular reason you feel you'd be nked above all of those and why you feel claiming just to Alisae and coasting is a good strategy?

[Titus]

that isnt what im doing.
also scum benefits more than town from roleclaims that don't need to be coordinated with other members of the town.

Bullshit. Town benefits more by vetting your fakeclaim, given the amount we have on the table.

[Titus]

Random, Alisae doesn't want to ignore Titus. He wants to meet her in the middle.

He asks if McMenno is obvtown why isn't he higher up in your reads?

Also, what's the deal with Vecna and why do you townread him now?



For the record though Random, personally I agree with you. Titus' read on me is the most utterly contrived shite I have ever seen. She has to scumread me in order to fit her narrative and it's getting difficult but she's stubborn.

McMenno isn't higher on my reads because there is just that many obvtown.

Vecna I TR him due to his posting today.

Nah, you have to keep random alive for some reason. The only way I trust things is if I can vet them or strategically place them. I can do neither with random's claim, so for all intents and purposes, it doesn't exist to me. Meeting me in the middle is giving me the claim and letting me vet to see how right you are.

[Titus]

How does my play here remind you of mini 1900 trans

I'll suppose this is at me.

Your frustration and self-vote reminds me of your response when Math tunnelled you for no reason.

[Titus]

That reads list was pretty nauseating

What's horrible about it?

[Titus]

And you think there's a 0% chance scum!trans isn't capable of that?

No. If there was a zero percent chance, you'd be higher than Heartless in my readwall.

[Titus]

I just don't like 90% of the reasons you gave to support your reads

Yeah, that probably is because you've got two Chicago cubs tickets burning in your pocket and just want to lynch someone rather than engaging and making people stick to what they say.

[Titus]

Also, if Eddie is the lowest person on your TRs why are you so vehemently against the idea of lynching him?

Because you, bella, and random are basically coasting and doing nothing worthwhile.
I still haven't got a decent reason to TR random based on his play or his claim.
I still think Eddie's play is obviously town. He just happens to be the lowest rank. Someone has to go there. That doesn't mean I want to lynch him ever.

Again, you're just bloating this thread with semantics rather than meeting me in the middle or giving me anything to change my mind with.

[Titus]

why do i hard defend shiqf like that as scum. bearing in mind me/alisae working together this closely it makes more sense to bus top maintain that relationship.
what have I done that is scummy?
how am i coasting?

Why me = fry me.

Shiqf is your godfather. He can single handedly win a game if copped. Lurking is a good way to draw a cop and thus establish a fake clear.
There's no more room in mislynches. So you coast and hope town fuck up and land on something.
You haven't pushed anyone but said MY CLAIM MAKES ME TOWN SHUT UP OH AND YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IT.

That's all you've done.

[Titus]

We have a cop, a tracker, a mason, a loyal, a pick cop, outed already. What the hell makes your claim so special that we cannot discuss it? You know I am good with these things.

[Titus]

No, I'm doing things that are worthwhile that don't fit your narrative so you're completely blind to them.

Eddie is the closest person not in your scumreads and I strongly disagree with all your scumreads (Except Bella, but Frog firmly townreads Bella and I'll be bonding with her so I'm hoping to find out why, she's kinda townleany atm). Do you understand what meeting you in the middle is or do you think it's me agreeing to lynch myself because of your bullshittery?

No. Meeting me in the middle would be voting bella or letting me actually possibly see what you're doing.

Meeting me in the middle is NOT you ordering me to vote a townread.
Meeting me in the middle is discussing theoretical possibilities such as Dunn and Heartless being scum together and letting us argue.

Meeting me in the middle is NOT vote your townread and I won't vote your scumreads or help you see why I pretend to TR random.

[Titus]

why do i hard defend shiqf like that as scum. bearing in mind me/alisae working together this closely it makes more sense to bus top maintain that relationship.
what have I done that is scummy?
how am i coasting?

Why me = fry me.

Shiqf is your godfather. He can single handedly win a game if copped. Lurking is a good way to draw a cop and thus establish a fake clear.
There's no more room in mislynches. So you coast and hope town fuck up and land on something.
You haven't pushed anyone but said MY CLAIM MAKES ME TOWN SHUT UP OH AND YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IT.

That's all you've done.

the first point is irrelevant.
im not coasting.
the last point isn't true.

First point is exactly relevant. If Frogger checks shiqf, you might just win the game on godfather clear.
You STILL are not pushing a scumread. You're just whining with me. That's coasting on your claim. You still won't let me analyze this either. You doing the same repeated thing as the start of this day is going to lead to the same result. You know this but you know that Alisae can't vote, just like in Memory.

[Titus]

Alisae says Random claimed really early day 1 and had no time to fabricate a good fakeclaim.

Though objectively that's not great reasoning because mod-provided fakeclaims exist, but on the other hand I don't think there's any way this particular claim was mod provided.

Did Alisae ever ask why? Reasonably Rational fakeclaimed something I would find incredibly useful d1 to me in the hood, far before he should have had a townread on me. Sure, I defended him, but I defended him with the rationale that his fakeclaim/real claim would just drag around his neck and get him lynched.

The real claim wound up forcing RR to make the exact moves I predicted throughout the game. Scum mostly fell like dominoes at the start and then I died. Then they fell at the end because town quickly figured out that someone like RR had to be scum to make the math work.

[Titus]

^^ That's in SU2

[Titus]

Titus think about it like this.
am i going to get to late game purely on what ive claimed at this point? no
could I, as town, have reasons to not want to claim what my ability is? yes
am i trying to do stuff rather than argue about my claim? yes
is is worth tunneling me right now? no

No, you cannot as town. We have so much already on the table. There's no reason to hide what you are, particularly if it would allegedly set me straight.

You aren't doing anything but trying to divert my suspicion and not vote jj or bella.

[Titus]

why do i hard defend shiqf like that as scum. bearing in mind me/alisae working together this closely it makes more sense to bus top maintain that relationship.
what have I done that is scummy?
how am i coasting?

Why me = fry me.

Shiqf is your godfather. He can single handedly win a game if copped. Lurking is a good way to draw a cop and thus establish a fake clear.
There's no more room in mislynches. So you coast and hope town fuck up and land on something.
You haven't pushed anyone but said MY CLAIM MAKES ME TOWN SHUT UP OH AND YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IT.

That's all you've done.

the first point is irrelevant.
im not coasting.
the last point isn't true.

First point is exactly relevant. If Frogger checks shiqf, you might just win the game on godfather clear.
You STILL are not pushing a scumread. You're just whining with me. That's coasting on your claim. You still won't let me analyze this either. You doing the same repeated thing as the start of this day is going to lead to the same result. You know this but you know that Alisae can't vote, just like in Memory.

shiqf was getting lynched there practically guaranteed. the reasons i wanted to give him time was he had been V/LA didnt get a chance to defend his reads which would be useful to us regardless of his alignment, and he was a newbie. it is common courtesy not to lynch someone while they are V/LA, and when they have several hundred pages to read up they should be considered V/LA until they are caught up.
im not sure who is scum so im interacting with people to try and figure it out. i have no idea what the rest of it means because i wasn't in In Memory

It wasn't a certainty shiqf was getting lynched. It was a certainty at one point jj was getting lynched. Certainties are fickle things. He didn't have reads to defend and was never going to give them. You knew this as his scumbuddy. He also was likely going for the get copped play and your defense makes sense with that. There's plenty of information in how others treated his slot.

Great, well then claim and if your claim is decent, I'll re-evaluate but there's 5000+ posts and if you can't come up with one scumread, I'm not bending over backwards because of your probable fakeclaim.

[Titus]

What about what I'm doing do you want to see?

Note that the things I won't answer about are: Random's role, my bonded action, and probably something else.

Titus- I don't believe Dunn and Heartless could be a scum pair unless Fire is the third scum. I think Dunn would have needed more time after the document got passed around + you visiting twice was actually a thing.
Speaking of the document- Random, didn't fire give you something? Have you shared that yet?

You're completely unwilling to compromise. Meeting you in the middle is impossible.




Also I sincerely hope Random townreads me right about now

I am willing to compromise. I refuse to take my scumreads on blind faith.

No fire cannot be scum.

If you refuse to answer questions about random's role and dictate meeting you in the middle is not voting random, then we cannot meet in the middle. I'm willing to reconsider random but I have to have what I need to do that.

[Titus]

you still haven't given a legitimate reason to scumread me js

Your defense is the reason to SR you, your lack of pushing SRs is reason to SR you, your early claim is reason to SR you, you pretending I haven't given a reason is a reason to SR you, your attempts to discredit me are a reason to SR you, and that's just in this page.

[Titus]

Yeah, I don't think Fire is scum either which is why I don't think Dunn or Heartless are scum. You need to follow my trains of thought to the end of the line or you're going to end up taking a stance on something without realising why and not getting any logical reward from it.


I am not telling you anything about Random's role. If he wants to reveal at any point, it's his choice and not mine.

I am telling you, without the information you have, I cannot get there and it just reeks of scum filling in the blanks.

You realize how I'm not asking for your role, or Alisae's role, or Aelita's role and that's with good reason.

[Titus]

Yeah, I don't think Fire is scum either which is why I don't think Dunn or Heartless are scum. You need to follow my trains of thought to the end of the line or you're going to end up taking a stance on something without realising why and not getting any logical reward from it.


I am not telling you anything about Random's role. If he wants to reveal at any point, it's his choice and not mine.

I am telling you, without the information you have, I cannot get there and it just reeks of scum filling in the blanks.

You realize how I'm not asking for your role, or Alisae's role, or Aelita's role and that's with good reason.

which is?

No one is defending their scummy play based on their role, and role alone.

[Titus]

im not doing that

Yeah it's pretty transparent you are if you can't have one scumread in 5000 posts, but the more you just go woe is me, the less I care to even get your role.

I'll just use a vig on you.

[Titus]

Like the other theory I am considering is Dunn/Eddie + Heartless with random but the longer this just drags on and you tolerate random's play the less town I'm inclined to think you are jj.

[Titus]

im not doing that

Yeah it's pretty transparent you are if you can't have one scumread in 5000 posts, but the more you just go woe is me, the less I care to even get your role.

I'll just use a vig on you.

when did i say that?

it should be obvious to anyone reading the game that Titus is flatout lying about my play.
the sad thing is that for them that isn't even alignment indicative.

Yeah, show me your scumread push...

Oh wait, you literally claimed you don't have any.

And now you're claiming I'm lying.

Your goal is to survive here.

Gun to your head, who the hell is scum?

[Titus]

why do i hard defend shiqf like that as scum. bearing in mind me/alisae working together this closely it makes more sense to bus top maintain that relationship.
what have I done that is scummy?
how am i coasting?

Why me = fry me.

Shiqf is your godfather. He can single handedly win a game if copped. Lurking is a good way to draw a cop and thus establish a fake clear.
There's no more room in mislynches. So you coast and hope town fuck up and land on something.
You haven't pushed anyone but said MY CLAIM MAKES ME TOWN SHUT UP OH AND YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IT.

That's all you've done.

the first point is irrelevant.
im not coasting.
the last point isn't true.

First point is exactly relevant. If Frogger checks shiqf, you might just win the game on godfather clear.
You STILL are not pushing a scumread. You're just whining with me. That's coasting on your claim. You still won't let me analyze this either. You doing the same repeated thing as the start of this day is going to lead to the same result. You know this but you know that Alisae can't vote, just like in Memory.

shiqf was getting lynched there practically guaranteed. the reasons i wanted to give him time was he had been V/LA didnt get a chance to defend his reads which would be useful to us regardless of his alignment, and he was a newbie. it is common courtesy not to lynch someone while they are V/LA, and when they have several hundred pages to read up they should be considered V/LA until they are caught up.

im not sure

who is scum so im interacting with people to try and figure it out. i have no idea what the rest of it means because i wasn't in In Memory

"I'm not sure" =/= has no scumreads.

Menno is probs scum, along with maybe aelita or bella. There is probs one scum in the investigation chain because the Nk wasn't in there.

Then why aren't you pushing Bella? The only one that can mathmatically be scum? Why aren't you pushing the investigation chain?

Is this because you don't want me lock sorting Dunn/Heartless or jj/bella?

[Titus]

what?
thats why i asked bella her reads. i liked what she said and that moved her back towards being town fr om where she was.

Nah. It's either Dunn/Heartless or jj/bella with you. That's pretty obvious from the situation. If you want me to reconsider you, then you're going to have to give me something that changes my view and setup and motivation of the players, because right now it seems to me that jj is either being so scummy that he'd lie about Alisae not wanting my role or he's just scum with you who put Alisae up to it. Because if this town was functioning normally, it wouldn't take 10+ pages to get a reason to TR you or a claim out of you while everyone else lurks. I'm not demanding you in particular get lynched and I'm willing to re-evaluate, but you have to do something to earn it.

I have information that makes me suspect on balance that Heartless and Dunn may be scum, but it could apply to Eddie. I'm not inclined to believe any of it when you're fort knox and just trying to avoid talking about anyone who can theoretically be scum. Heartless and Dunn will box themselves anyway due to PoE. You however won't and it's not in my interest to bond with anyone who can be scum anyway.

[Titus]

@ dunn, when have you lied about me?

Honestly, a lynch in you/jj/dunn would sort so much of the game for me. why shouldn't it be you?

Why are you voting me? Do you not think my role is important to town with Titus?

Why should it be me? Justify your vote right now

At least Titus is considering shit.

She's considering jj scum over you so she's doing a good job in your eyes?

And Alisae if he wasn't bubbled/day 1

I looked at bella's iso and thought she was voting me because her last vote was 3000 posts ago

Never said anything about you being scum

And then you admit it

Ugh.

Titus, i don' see how your scum!team works together. how are you rationalising that in your head?

Also, what has menno done that isn't coasting?


also, i'm 'mathmatically' scum? hmmm?

I'd love you to lock sort me, titus.

His entire ISO.

I don't need to explain why they work together if it's PoE. They're desperate.

Then get random to claim, and it would help sort you.

[Titus]

no titus, come, on. the post to random honestly made it look like you were considering shit.

and now i get 'his iso' and 'poe' and 'desperate' without any follow through. fucking give me something.

also, why am i the one in our relationship that's, you know, actaully making the effort to sort the other? because i've had hangovers more fun than trying to engage with you and aelita.

I've already sorted how the teams work. I no longer need to sort you. I'm sorry if you've had hangovers more fun, but I know what I need to finish sorting this game and it's to understand why JJ is being a massive scumhunting blocking turd.

[Titus]

Titus, Alisae says to consider that if me and Random are both town, who is scum?

If I went with that scenario, Dunn/Heartless and MAYBE Eddie/Vecna.


But I can't get there without random's claim or him actually sorting people who could theoretically be scum.

[Titus]

Why does heartless have to be scum if Dunn is scum?

He doesn't. Dunn or Eddie has to be scum if Heartless is.

[Titus]

and I'm a little bit meh on Heartless.

[Titus]

I just cannot get there without random's claim to check that theory and the only reason you're giving me for random town is his claim.

[Titus]

Talk to me about the possibilities of scum!Dunn then

The fact that Frogger, Dunn, myself all seemed to go off unmolested doesn't make sense for any sort of competent scumteam.

[Titus]

We could do random jj or bella?

[Titus]

We could do random jj or bella?

I will derail a bella lynch all day every day.

Cop inno? Or why?

I'm getting beyond pissed at these blank, reasonless townreads that I am just supposed to accept.

[Titus]

*shrug*

I'm not attacking town being incorrect. I just want an actual conversation and that's not actually happening Vecna. I was ok with wagoning you yesterday but not so much today.

Random needs to claim or scumhunt so jj can be sorted and so can he.
Frogger needs to explain his bella tr.

The rest is just town chasing its tail because PoE. The results are incorrect but I simply cannot defend all my townreads and dominate the thread. You still aren't getting my vote and I don't see how any reasonable interpretation of this thread suggests I am.

[Titus]

As icing on the cake: no way titus claiming a cop survives a night. No way titus is rolefishing this much as town. No way titus thinks im scum day1 with all the overwhelming evidence and then states my day2 posting suddenly makes me obvious town. No way town titus keeps tunneling the same two people as she was on day1 even though theres overwhelming information that states the opposite.

There's zero given information I can analyze.

I am not a claimed cop. I need Dunn for my results to be valid.

Who are your SRs atm? Aside from me?

[Titus]

Transcend your words mean less than nothing to me atm. Your play is fucking slimy scumfuckery as well

No. He's just I want the fuck out of here mode.

[Titus]

*shrug*

I'm not attacking town being incorrect. I just want an actual conversation and that's not actually happening Vecna. I was ok with wagoning you yesterday but not so much today.

Random needs to claim or scumhunt so jj can be sorted and so can he.
Frogger needs to explain his bella tr.

The rest is just town chasing its tail because PoE. The results are incorrect but I simply cannot defend all my townreads and dominate the thread. You still aren't getting my vote and I don't see how any reasonable interpretation of this thread suggests I am.

Oh so people only need to take strong stances when it is about your targets?

But them putting your townread on l-2 while theres literally 2 people stating a reason for it is fine, right?

Theres no way town titus doesnt adress firebringer when her "townblock" that lynched a super powerful scum pr is under attack.

Theres no way she doesnt interact about the reasons heart, her townclear, suddenly did a complete 180 and is now sanctioning a wagon there.

Theres no way you only care about accountability for people defending someone, but not when another wagon you DO NOT want (or so you claim) is about to go through.

Im not buying youre town here. Not even in the slightest.

Oh people are taking stances that are strong. JJ versus me diesn't happen if his stance is weak. It's just baseless until it can be vetted. Same with Frogger's TR on Bella.

There have been lots of reasons for scumreading you Vecna. I have no clue what the VC is here.

I am talking to Heartless in our PT, but I don't like that he's not helping progress the game but picking a fight with me is doing you no favors here.

I don't need to sell you I am town. I just am. I saved Dunn and we lynched scum.

[Titus]

We could do random jj or bella?

I will derail a bella lynch all day every day.

Cop inno? Or why?

I'm getting beyond pissed at these blank, reasonless townreads that I am just supposed to accept.

Because this is her obvtown game.

I already explained D1 how it's her obvtown game. In our PT she's obvtown. Many things she's said here D2 are obvtown. If you want me to go through them post by post, I'll do so.

A decent selection is fine.

I just cannot see how it isn't jj bella random. But if you give me a decent reason to TR Bella (not she agrees with reads), I can give it a pass today on Bella. There are 3 scum after all.

[Titus]

Also LMAO at Titus thinking I'm really a cop. Why the fuck would I out that under zero pressure.

I'm not

that

bad at this game.

Reasonless TR repeated over and over, Godfather flipped.

But hey, you can try to persuade me or not.

[Titus]

Also LMAO at Titus thinking I'm really a cop. Why the fuck would I out that under zero pressure.

I'm not

that

bad at this game.

Reasonless TR repeated over and over, Godfather flipped.

But hey, you can try to persuade me or not.

How would your role interact with a godfather? What do your visits do exactly?

@Frog, then quote it because I haven't heard you, much less listened. All I see is pointless resistance to the right answer.

@Vecna, My role has no interaction with GF, just like any other scum. It's not a cop. It provides positive benefits to whomever I am aligned with. I also get information on them.

[Titus]

Also i havent seen a single game where you do not defend your townreafs titus. Youve been defending heart, giga, dunn and a bunch of other people.

You actively tried to stop dunn's lynch. You actively shaded me for my scumreads on the active posters.

Your defensing and shading is selective.

No shit. I protect town and lynch scum. By definition that's selective.

This post reeks.

[Titus]

If Vecna flips scum, cop should target Dunn and claim any clear.

I give up and going back to my first impression.

If Vecna flips town I am never ever compromising until random claims.

VOTE: Vecna

[Titus]

Can we have a VC before you all start going crazy on voting Vecna

I'll skype RC but I don't really care about what you think given you don't care to help me sort the game.

[Titus]

er
i'm pretty sure i'm voting vecna

UNVOTE:

i dont want a lynch until i can catch up collect my thoughts and find a bond

i guess heartless isnt bonding with me...? it's kind of unclear but if im not lynched today i absolutely need to be in a bond as an active because i literally am useless otherwise

You want to bond tomorrow?

[Titus]

I'm like 99% sure scum is either {Eddie/Aelita} or {Vecna/Dunn}

I just don't know which. A flip in those busts the game wide open IMO.

{Alisae, JJ, Bella}
{Transcend, Fire}
{Random} <--- only here because of JJ/Alisae. I haven't tried to sort Random but I trust JJ and Ali who I hard townread.
{Titus, Heartless, McMenno} <--- NULL LINE -- these people depend on flips and stuff for me.
{Eddie, Aelita} or {Vecna, Dunn}

Why?

The staunch refusal to out random's role is scummy as FUCK

[Titus]

Titus, in Alisae's opinion you sound like you want a mass claim

No.

Just random's because it's the sole reason you TR him and I see nothing valuable about his dayplay either.

[Titus]

Like that whole shit around TB's claim

then voting Titus (being the first vote on titus) then unvoting instantaly and being like OMG I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR BONDS SET BEFORE THIS GOES THROUGH was fake af

then later he vote parked Titus but never pushed her. Ever.

Dunn isn't the eptiome of townplay. He just has his uses and there are others much scummier. Dunn will box himself in.

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Also i havent avoided calling dunn scum, ive stated i think its very possible, but that hes a bad lynch. If you think dunn is scum feel free to try push it but i wont be joining you.

I haven't avoided it

but it's bad

and he's not scum


WTF


why is a dunn lynch bad? IMO it directly leads us to a few alignments...namely yours and Aelita's, and probably Eddiebyte's too. And possibly even Titus.

None of that is true.
Dunn lynch lets me clear or scumfirm Aelita is Dunn is town.
If Dunn is scum, we leash their power role.

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Mod: Can missing players vote or post?

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Titus, if you look at the VC we're at one less vote to lynch because Alisae is not here

I'm struggling to believe Alisae would just let you basically hide information that I need from me or try to dictate my night actions to get it.

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Titus, if you look at the VC we're at one less vote to lynch because Alisae is not here

I'm struggling to believe Alisae would just let you basically hide information that I need from me or try to dictate my night actions to get it.

You can always ask alisae this tomorrow

And why should I believe this to be any different than today?

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Do you want to ask another question Alisae would know the answer to?

Random has, however, confirmed that me and Alisae are cooperating

So says scum.

Like it's a circle jerk. It means nothing to me until it's on the table and I can analyze it.

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Which means you can directly ask Alisae yourself.

And if she's been hoodwinked by scum, he gives the same response.

I don't expect a different response just by waiting Frogger.

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What arrangement of scum allows me to lie and Random to confirm it?

jj and random scum, you shoot alisae

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Titus, if you look at the VC we're at one less vote to lynch because Alisae is not here

I'm struggling to believe Alisae would just let you basically hide information that I need from me or try to dictate my night actions to get it.

You can ask alisae if he is letting JJ/Random hide info from you tomorrow.

I don't understand how you don't see that.

And if Alisae is a corpse?

And if Alisae has been hoodwinked into thinking random coasting and not claiming is a good idea?

We repeat this same fucking situation.

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Fair enough.

I'm still willing to give it a day but if you're not, then you should probably not be voting vecna.

It's not whether or not I'm willing to, I don't have much of a choice. No one is helping me do the smart thing so jj and random are basically giving me a fuck you and I've accepted that to not drag the game out any further.

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Right -- which is what Titus is getting at.

Titus thinks you're both scum.

Well either that or they've hoodwinked him.

I just struggle to think how Alisae believes a reasonless TR is a good idea, particularly from a slot that prematurely claimed.

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It's not a reasonless TR. We have reasons.

Yes, that you refuse to tell me. So those don't count to me. Anything that cannot be vetted isn't a reason. I can't agree to disagree with nothing.

Same with Frogger not showing how bella is obvtown.

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Same with Frogger not showing how bella is obvtown.

I already said if you want me to go post-by-post I'm more than happy to.

Otherwise I'm going to if you're not going to care anyway.

I said a short summary is fine just something that shows reasons but if tth wants post by post, so do I.

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Fire is apparently bonding with McMenno so it seems so, yeah.

Me and Bella and Heartless is a pretty good one though too, because it should link up the townblocks

There are no multiple townblocks. You're just looking to capture Heartless most likely.

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i thought titus was doubtcasting the heartless clear?

it's not a bulletproof clear it's a "most parsimonious explanation is a clear"

Yes

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titus why are you voting vecna again

My scumreads aren't getting lynched today. Vecna went back to yuck posting and I largely don't give a shit since the things that need to happen for my reads to move aren't happening.

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I actually think that jjh was a counterwagon to shiqf as well. But it was scum scum wagons. Just because one wagon flips town doesn't necessarily clear the other, and relying on this is sketchy.

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Between the last two votecounts there, Frog and McMenno also voted me before people started switching to shiqf. I got to L-3, Transcend started defending me when McMenno voted me, and then McMenno switched to shiqf. That's when the shiqf wagon really started to take momentum.

yeah i wasnt going to read the pages but that just proves my point even more

the people who voted for you also voted for shiqf

so townreading you for being a cw is just outright wrong??

that doesn't make you scum it just means that the reads on you actually need to solidify which is what i'm trying to focus on right now

So yeah, I think McMenno was trying to set me up as the counterwagon before Transcend stepped in.

hold on then let me look at the actual pages then?

Pages of interest are 172 and 173

thanks

I actually think that jjh was a counterwagon to shiqf as well. But it was scum scum wagons. Just because one wagon flips town doesn't necessarily clear the other, and relying on this is sketchy.

wouldnt that mean that different people would be voting for jj than shiqf??

Yes, but I cannot recall the votes exactly as I haven't started to do VCA. (That's not until tomorrow, but I'll likely leave notes in Aelita's bond PT.)

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jjh927 (6): Firebringer, EddieByte, Aelita, Alisae, Titus, Fro99er
Shiqf (6): Transcend, Dunnstral, McMenno, Vecna, Eddiebyte, jjh927

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this isn't really helpful jj considering people are on the same wagon twice

I mean, me and Eddie are on it twice but it's close enough

it skews the conclusion you're supposed to get from it

Can you fix it?

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Your vote was on shiqf at the time, Eddie. That's the only thing needed from that

No. I actually

do VCA

as one of my things and I'm behind on writing my guide for how to do VCA in my academy thread.

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The votecounts, if used, must be accurate.

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i thought a larger shiqf wagon implied a jjh counter wagon? i might be misreading the situation

If you're town, this counterwagon which came first is fucking pointless.

The point is, there are two options.

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Ugh, I'm going to have to resort Frogger aren't i?