Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[Radical Rat]

I need to post some on this eventually.

Whoever it ways saying it was sus to give up the town gravedigger card, sorry, but negative utility is not really a good thing to keep :/

Not for an ability, but for an alignment, yes.

The way I see it, you should use negative, or low utility cards for their alignment, so you have your choice between two decent roles. The only reason I can think of for discarding a negative utility is to be able to say, "Look, that was bad for Town and I didn't take it! I must be Town!" Unless of course you just got dealt an all around bad hand, in which case sucks for you.

[Radical Rat]

Can I get the rest of the alignments from you guys' cards?

Just to be clear, is this aimed at anyone specific, or the whole group?

Everyone who has not already shared. I don't need the roles, just the alignments of all three cards.

Sorry, no, was talking about the bit I quoted here.

Ah yes, well.
I will be happy to explain my reasoning after I get the information, but for now I'd prefer not to tell the scum what lies they need to tell.

[Radical Rat]

What was you thinking of when you saw the role?

Grave Robber

So why did you think it was a strong role?
I thought you said you was thinking a different role?

Robber and Digger are different.
Grave Robber is a synonym for Universal Backup, according to the Wiki.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Ah miss read.
Explains that then. Then I'm happy with chickadee's original post about the roles.

[Radical Rat]

Ah miss read.
Explains that then. Then I'm happy with chickadee's original post about the roles.

Are you happy with her overall?

[gerryoat]

Snarky, Tiphaine, LUV, and Gerry.

You've all discarded Town roles with a negative utility ability.
It seems to me like neg utility cards would be ideal for taking the alignment, then taking a better ability.

It's not anything damning, of course, but... interesting to note.

well yes, its a bad role lol. honestly i'd choose mafia over town anyway. but i got stuck with 3 town cards and that was the worst

[gerryoat]

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

lol

[gerryoat]

Sly, why would you not wanna be a werewolf hooker? that's like.. a really good role lmao. ust curious

Yes, it is a good role. Maybe it's better than my role, maybe not. Now that I understand things better, I may have picked differently. But, I may have chosen exactly the same.

what didn't you understand? i mean, it was kinda clear when the mod explained to us in PM

[gerryoat]

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

I find this hard to believe. Two people got all town roles? That leaves no wiggle room for alignment, and is awfully convenient when it comes time to claim things. There's such a huge section of list that wasn't even touched that it would be a fairly safe gamble to try and claim all town choices.

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

[gerryoat]

Do you consider being scum as 'fun'?

i do :p

[Radical Rat]

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

I find this hard to believe. Two people got all town roles? That leaves no wiggle room for alignment, and is awfully convenient when it comes time to claim things. There's such a huge section of list that wasn't even touched that it would be a fairly safe gamble to try and claim all town choices.

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

The cards would be redealt and we'd pick again.
Everything is entirely random, and there should be no one intentionally given three of the same alignment.

[gerryoat]

hm ok, well i got 3 town roles. so that's what i just assumed. so the amount of mafia is based on how many people picked to be mafia?

[gerryoat]

so there could be literally 2 mafia right now?

[SlySly]

Sly, why would you not wanna be a werewolf hooker? that's like.. a really good role lmao. ust curious

Yes, it is a good role. Maybe it's better than my role, maybe not. Now that I understand things better, I may have picked differently. But, I may have chosen exactly the same.

what didn't you understand? i mean, it was kinda clear when the mod explained to us in PM

My first card was Werewolf Hooker
I thought that was my alignment choices (Werewolf alignment) and (Hooker alignment)
So I picked Hooker(alignment) with the skill of one of my other cards.

After an explanation, I discarded what I saw as the Werewolf alignment card. I didn't realize I could use that card as a Hooker role was when I discarded it, though I'm sure it was explained properly. I didn't even know what the Hooker role was. My other 2 cards were town and I did know what the role is that I picked.

[Radical Rat]

So, I ran the numbers, and there is an approximately 0.2% chance of all four of you getting all Town.

Spoiler: Math Shenanigans

63 Town/104 Total = ~.60 chance an individual card is Town.
.6 * .6 = ~.36 chance one player draws two Town cards.
.36 * .6 = ~.22 chance one player draws three Town cards.
.22 * .22 = ~.05 chance two players draw three Town cards.
.05 * .22 = ~.01 chance three players draw three Town cards.
.01 * .22 = ~.002 chance four players draw three Town cards.

While this is still technically possible, I'm confident in saying at LEAST one of you is lying so far. And that doesn't even take into account that each card can only be drawn once, so the pool of Town cards shrinks as you go.

[SlySly]

I wish I had known what LAMIST was when I was playing James so I could have used LAMISS

[Radical Rat]

so there could be literally 2 mafia right now?

Yes. There could be anywhere from 1 to 6 total scum among all teams.

Sly, why would you not wanna be a werewolf hooker? that's like.. a really good role lmao. ust curious

Yes, it is a good role. Maybe it's better than my role, maybe not. Now that I understand things better, I may have picked differently. But, I may have chosen exactly the same.

what didn't you understand? i mean, it was kinda clear when the mod explained to us in PM

My first card was Werewolf Hooker
I thought that was my alignment choices (Werewolf alignment) and (Hooker alignment)
So I picked Hooker(alignment) with the skill of one of my other cards.

After an explanation, I discarded what I saw as the Werewolf alignment card. I didn't realize I could use that card as a Hooker role was when I discarded it, though I'm sure it was explained properly. I didn't even know what the Hooker role was. My other 2 cards were town and I did know what the role is that I picked.

Hold up. You're saying you picked the Werewolf Hooker for your alignment? Then also discarded it? I don't understand.

[SlySly]

No, I thought my alignment choices were Werewolf or Hooker.

My first choice sent in was Hooker (alignment) with role of one of my other cards.

Mod came back with a response and an explanation, and I changed my choice and discarded the Werewolf Hooker card.

[SlySly]

@Mod: For the purposes of this game, does Mason mean someone is confirmed to be Town, or simply not Mafia?

Masons can be of any alignment.

You are old school.

\m/ \m/

[Chickadee]

I'll be out all day tomorrow. It's International Table Top day, and practically a religious holiday for me. Catch y'all Sunday.

[gerryoat]

uhh sly, i dont get it. you have to make clear what your alignment and what your role is. so how did you think hooker was an alignment in any way or form?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

The fact I can't see Sly has played this setup or 1 like it before (skimmed played games) I believe the confusion claim. My first game it took a few explanations from the mod for me to understand.
I do however believe that Sly had a Mafia role... so sly, did you use it on your alignment or your power?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll be out all day tomorrow. It's International Table Top day, and practically a religious holiday for me. Catch y'all Sunday.

You're still scum but I hope you're having fun

[Radical Rat]

I find it very unsettling that this many people seem not to have bothered to read the setup before playing.

Sly's confusion seems genuine, if also ridiculous, and I don't think anyone would have intentionally claimed compulsive vig on D1. I've also seen a couple of other things indicating that folks have no idea what the role list is, or how picking cards worked.

IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE SETUP, DO SO NOW

If you're gonna solve the game, you need to know what game you're playing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's not unsettling. It's a personality thing just like the opening discards.