Mini Normal 1908 - In The Web (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

@TwoFace, Why not?
UNVOTE: fitz

He claimed FULL watcher. You do realize how op watcher is in general for town?

It's far more likely to be in scum hands than town.

What are you saying.. "ok watcher"? And town watcher is a fairly common role. I don't think I've ever seen a scum one.

You may not have been paying attention but in Eager snakes mini Normal the was a mafia watcher

[MortFeld]

why? other than the self vote thing which i already agree with I see no reasons as to why he is town.

Yeah I'm definitely not going to be able to convince you. He just feels town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Official Vote Count

WhemeStar

(6): TwoFace, TwoFace, Ircher, Hikari Link, havingfitz, WhemeStar

Gamma Emerald

(2): MortFeld, Tarkus

Ircher

(1): MarioManiac4

Hikari Link

(1): PenguinPower

Not Voting

(4): BigYoshiFan, MMM, RayFrost, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

WhemeStar is the leading wagon and is at L-1

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

Oh hey the same alert mastina uses

[PenguinPower]

Hey, Mort. Will you sum up your reads for me?

[MMM]

The historical data shows that watcher appeared once in 10+ games with the information I have at my disposal and another role or variant of it pretty much every other time.

Host meta is bad imo.

Sup guys unvote me I claim vanilla townie

lol

Hey guys Ircher is scum let me try to explain this

lol

Titus Evaluation

1. 38 --> Votes Mort cuz she doesn't like his responses -->

I disagree greatly with the assessment. His reads look fine imo and show a town thought process. It seems more like Titus is simpl trying to find something she can attack herself -- how ironic!

2. 171 --> Elaborates on Mort read; mainly states that Mort's stuff lacks depth and asks too many questions -->

Honestly, I still feel like Titus is trying to find things to attack; Titus made the original read about 1 1/2 pages into the game. So, w/ RVS et cetera, there isn't going to be a lot to analyze so questions won't have a lot of depth. While the # of Qs Mort asked was kinda high, I don't necessarily see it as scum-motivated.

3. 177 --> Admits reasoning was bad cuz trying to get things going -->

And this feels like Titus is distancing from her read. Had she said this way earlier, I might buy it, but this seems to be Titus thinking "Oops! I better try to play that read off as non-serious". I don't buy it at all.

4. 178 --> Mort/Yoshi pinged her as partners -->

This early in the game? I mean, 68 kinda pinged me as Titus / MMM being possible partners, but by no means did I see a solid association between the two. Unless Titus elaborates later, this association read feels superficial and an attempt to appear to have reads while simultaneously casting shade at another player.

5. 182 --> Transcend is weak town -->

I would like to note that this happened after Transcend said that town!Titus pretty much always defends him at this point in the game. Titus is obviously trying to keep her options open.

6. 387 --> Asks how Tarkus can see things as her on Mort despite not understanding Titus's posts -->

Different perspective perhaps? Feels like another shade-throwing attempt. Not to mention that Titus hasn't been too specific in her read, so it's pretty difficult to understand when one quotes zero evidence.

7. 408 --> Says town!Trans actually pressures people -->

What suggests he isn't? Also, I honestly don't see the difference between Transcend here and Transcend in 1900. Again, I think this is scum Titus keeping her options open.

So that is my not meta-based case on Titus.

This post is scummy IMO

Hi Transcend...?

I've seen quite a few Town watchers in my games

Oh speaking of host meta...
Ya I say don't obvscum fitz just because of his role either. I find him somewhat scummy upon catching up - I don't really like him TRing people solely for having the same opinions as him without a sign or explanation of how the same opinions also came from the same place - but I really don't want to risk a Watcher flip on day 1 either, so I won't vote him today.

Ircher are u scum buddy

It can be our secret, I won't tell

Ircher vote on me is scummy

I swear to god this guy is literally Transcend's alt.

[MMM]

Also someone asked for a counterwagon to be started
VOTE: Yoshi

[MortFeld]

Hey, Mort. Will you sum up your reads for me?

Titus havingfitz - likely scum
Ircher - nullscumish
Transcend WhemeStar - town
TwoFace - town
MarioManiac4 - idk, nullscumish
BigYoshiFan - town
Gamma Emerald - scum
Tarkus - maybe town but I want them to DO more
NotTheRealPaul -Grey- RayFrost - grey was very effortful but said some things I didn't like
ChannelDelibird PenguinPower - null
MMM - town
Hikari Link - town

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: gamma

[TwoFace]

why? other than the self vote thing which i already agree with I see no reasons as to why he is town.

Yeah I'm definitely not going to be able to convince you. He just feels town.

[TwoFace]

Host meta is bad imo.

1. I don't really understand why you responded to this since I am not even voting him anymore
2. not really

[Hikari Link]

Fine, whatever. Gamma is fine too.

UNVOTE: WhemeStar
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[TwoFace]

this game has gone from fun to no fun like that. It's bad enough I have to be forced to play with somebody I have no interest in playing with but now we are letting scum off the hood?

smfh

[MortFeld]

Why is Wheme scum? It's like the same reason Transcend is scum. They play like scum according to you - which honestly might be true (for Wheme moreso than Transcend I'd say). But like, I played a game with town!Wheme where honestly he played awful. Like I don't even know what his reads were but it was like he was asking to be lynched and he was lynched and he was town, and it did nothing to help find scum and I was pissed. But that's just Wheme. So unless he's done something actually scummy other than explain himself poorly and be enigmatic n shit, I'm not voting him.

[PenguinPower]

this game has gone from fun to no fun like that. It's bad enough I have to be forced to play with somebody I have no interest in playing with but now we are letting scum off the hood?

smfh

No one's forcing you to do anything. Chill.

[MortFeld]

ehhh
whemestar is townposting all over the thread and I would rather lynch ircher
can we lynch ircher

!!!! Ok Mario can be town

[MortFeld]

ehhh
whemestar is townposting all over the thread and I would rather lynch ircher
can we lynch ircher

!!!! Ok Mario can be town

Wait he has lots of reasons to do this as scum too nvm. But this makes me more sure of town!Wheme.

[TwoFace]

Why is Wheme scum? It's like the same reason Transcend is scum. They play like scum according to you - which honestly might be true (for Wheme moreso than Transcend I'd say). But like, I played a game with town!Wheme where honestly he played awful. Like I don't even know what his reads were but it was like he was asking to be lynched and he was lynched and he was town, and it did nothing to help find scum and I was pissed. But that's just Wheme. So unless he's done something actually scummy other than explain himself poorly and be enigmatic n shit, I'm not voting him.

He quoted a very pro-town post and called the person who made it scum and when he explains why it's scummy, it turns out his reason wasn't accurate
He then added the fact that ircher voted him without any reason but doesn't seem to have an issue with anyone else who did something similar.

none of that comes from a town mindset. That comes from a scum mindset trying to cast shade on somebody who looks town

[TwoFace]

No one's forcing you to do anything. Chill.

1. you don't know what the fuck you are even talking about
2. don't tell me to chill

[TwoFace]

!!!! Ok Mario can be town

from that one post?

[TwoFace]

i can't even deal with this game right now.

[PenguinPower]

Chill.

[MortFeld]

jesus Wheme's ISO is a trainwreck

Wheme do you purposefully try to get lynched and base your strategy around that?

[MortFeld]

!!!! Ok Mario can be town

from that one post?

Read the next post :/

TF man...

[havingfitz]

@TwoFace, Why not?
UNVOTE: fitz

He claimed FULL watcher. You do realize how op watcher is in general for town?

It's far more likely to be in scum hands than town.

What are you saying.. "ok watcher"? And town watcher is a fairly common role. I don't think I've ever seen a scum one.

You may not have been paying attention but in Eager snakes mini Normal the was a mafia watcher

I assume there have been. I just don't recall ever seeing any. My main point was that town watchers aren't uncommon. IMO at least.

[ThinkBig]

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