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[Dunnstral]

The mod error did affect the game, although it would have probably made it an even more flawless scum victory.

If Boonskiies had killed Zach, they would not suspect Nosferatu if Nosferatu claimed to jail WhyMafia. It's thus likely that Nosferatu would not be shot.

Boonskiies, would you still have shot Nosferatu if Zach died?

So you're saying the mod error affected the game - why are mods so against telling people what is going on?
Somebody should have told boonskies that his shot failed

I cannot stress this enough: mod errors like this mechanically paint players as the wrong alignment. This is a big deal and it should never happen and remain unnannounced

[mastina]

Mastina for example the mafia universe championships (which is the standard for all sites) are 12 town 3 SCUM with NO power roles.

You might wanna check MD for what stats work out in mountainous games to be for mafiascum games.

Hint:
It aint great. (If you want to exclude the brainstorming of open setups, do this search instead.) To get a good idea of balance from reviewer eyes you can look at a thread like this one or more appropriately perhaps, this is a thread where balance gets discussed extensively, albeit for minis.

Towns inherently require power roles or mechanical assistance (e.g. White Flag mechanic*, nightless mechanic) in order to do well.

*I'd like to point out for the record that White Flag in spite of having said mechanic still has overwhelmingly been scum victories (that page is itself out of date btw since there's at least one extra), most of them quite crushing. Even when you give scum a handicap which should make the game easier on town, they still do well in mountainous games.

[Antihero]

Yeah but I was counting these neighbors who all basically considered themselves confirmed town to be power roles lol

if they trusted each other to be town, they had to earn that via play. that's different than a power role.

[mastina]

Yeah but I was counting these neighbors who all basically considered themselves confirmed town to be power roles lol

And that was an

assumption

they made.

Was it an accurate assumption?
Yes.

But it was an assumption all the same--an assumption which could have easily turned out to be wrong.

Let's say the neighborhood had three town and one scum.
Let's say the neighborhood assumed it was all town, as they did this game.

Bam. Town loses, off of an inaccurate assumption.

Neighborhoods are not masonries. If a player chooses to treat them that way, they do so at their own discretion.

[mastina]

So you're saying the mod error affected the game - why are mods so against telling people what is going on?
Somebody should have told boonskies that his shot failed

I cannot stress this enough: mod errors like this mechanically paint players as the wrong alignment. This is a big deal and it should never happen and remain unnannounced

For what it's worth I don't think Nexus was consulted about the mod error but if not he should have been. If Nexus had been consulted, then we would have Word Of Listmod on what action would have been most appropriate.

If he was in fact consulted, then there's that. The decision is what it is.
If he wasn't consulted, then you do have a fair point.

[Boonskiies]

The mod error did affect the game, although it would have probably made it an even more flawless scum victory.

If Boonskiies had killed Zach, they would not suspect Nosferatu if Nosferatu claimed to jail WhyMafia. It's thus likely that Nosferatu would not be shot.

Boonskiies, would you still have shot Nosferatu if Zach died?

There's a good chance I still would have shot Nosf.

Moz/Mulch were the two going through my mind to shoot, but I was pretty adamant on Nosf, so I don't think that would have changed.

[Boonskiies]

I think this worked as a setup. It was a little swingy. Our neighborhood by all means should have imploded more than it did. (it did a little bit).

I should have messaged Creature. BTD did the night thing, and I clicked send pm from that post. I shouldn't have assumed that.

[Priscila]

Yeah but I was counting these neighbors who all basically considered themselves confirmed town to be power roles lol

And that was an

assumption

they made.

Was it an accurate assumption?
Yes.

But it was an assumption all the same--an assumption which could have easily turned out to be wrong.

Let's say the neighborhood had three town and one scum.
Let's say the neighborhood assumed it was all town, as they did this game.

Bam. Town loses, off of an inaccurate assumption.

Neighborhoods are not masonries. If a player chooses to treat them that way, they do so at their own discretion.

There was no assumption. They were all town by play, except WhyMafia who was confirmed town.

Mulch was the most obvious scum I have seen in a long time. Boonskiies was the greatest scum MVP town I have seen in... probably ever.

[Mulch]

Mulch was the most obvious scum.


Really priscilla?

[Priscila]

You literally cannot be town with voting me yet claiming to townread me. It's not possible.

I claim to townread you.

*mind blown*

I can believe it.

>locktown
>votes you
>might be scum

Great town thought processes Mulch.

Stop pretending

Oh my god, you are so good at acting ~SURPRISED~.

Mulch, where you go?

He can't fake it in twilight when his "lock scum" flips town.

Im going to sleep and hope to see the flip in the morning. Goodnight.

This is so so so so far from a town reaction.

obviscum: mulch

cesspool: boonskiies

Really.

[Mulch]

You also said Pim was lock scum with me :/

[Writers Bloque]

You voted with him all game
And pushed what he was pushing too

^

[Zachstralkita]

Shhhh post game hydraslipp

[DrumBeats]

I think my play was p solid. I mean obviously, Mulch was more visable than me wich prob allowed me to be a little low key but I was never a major scumread for anyone.

I agree completely. I had a thought about it before I flipped, which was that you were so in the middle and off the radar that it made no sense for anybody else besides you or WhyMafia to be shot. I would've put the thought in neighborhood chat if I was in that, but sadly I had to die with that and hope somebody else would realize it too.

gunsmiths guilty cops?
til

It's amazing how little players who play Normals actually know about the Normal Guidelines.

Normal Guidelines

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors),

Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops

, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

If you just look at the page for any given role, the interactions between them are pretty well-defined. There's

some

room for ambiguity in some areas (sometimes for the better, allowing for mod interpretation creating interesting setups; sometimes for the worse, creating mod ambiguity allowing for confusion to occur), but for the most part, these things are pretty strongly defined.

Tbh I didn't know there were normal guidelines until a little bit in. Then I finally checked them when I had a crackpot theory of Boon being a SK/Lyncher hybrid because he refused to shoot me.

[Priscila]

You also said Pim was lock scum with me :/

I said Pim was scum with you, not lock anything. It was a lurker slot that had done nothing all game and you hard-defended it for no reason so I think that interpretation was a fairly okay one to make under the circumstances.

[mozamis]

you were good Priscilla, prob best player along with Zach. So don't be disheartened!

ps no one is bigging me up - understandable lol - so just to say:
I LED THE DEATH OR GLORY CHARGE AT THE END!
WOOHOO!

[Mulch]

you were good Priscilla, prob best player along with Zach. So don't be disheartened!

ps no one is bigging me up - understandable lol - so just to say:
I LED THE DEATH OR GLORY CHARGE AT THE END!
WOOHOO!

True lol I wanted to pussy out of it but Moz said go big or go home lmao

[Mulch]

Moz had the balls, Nero had the brains, Nosferatu had the charima, and I had the brawn. Literally this team was perfect.

[Nosferatu]

charisma's a strong word

[Mulch]

charisma's a strong word

You infiltrated the enemy lol you were our spy <3

[Fro99er]

gg everyone. I think this was one of the most fun games I've ever played. Mulch definitely player of the game I think, lol. Won't underestimate him ever again.

Also I wanna apologise to frog again for all the shit I said when I was trying to get him lynched. I regret saying it and I wish I could take it back, I went way overboard with it and made it personal and attacked your character and I'm sorry.

Yeah IDK what provoked you treating me like that, but apology accepted. Yer good.

I promise I'd never replace out just to "preserve a mislynch or never being lynched as scum" record or anything outside of the rules or pushing the rules. I'd only ever replace out if I'm not having fun. As either alignment. Period.

[Transcend]

MULCH OP

PLEASE FUCKING NERF

[DrumBeats]

charisma's a strong word

Love the sig Nos

[Zachstralkita]

Lmfao . Nos one of the best sigs I've ever read

Mulch really fucked town up when he like, blended in with Boon as a consolidated unit. It was so DESTRUCTIVE

[Transcend]

Yes

This guy is a fucking god

I nominated him for a scummy. Please second it if you think Mulch played well this time. He deserves it so bad.