Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll get to this game tomorrow at some point. I swear.

Go to sleep babe

[Donempire]

VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

That isnt even the main point of my argument.

Maybe im explaining it wrong. Who the fuck knows, since im an "angery player".

I keep pushing you for the RVS because you keep pleading human error in a part where its less likely human error and more likely to divert yourself from oncoming accusations. Thats why, not just because you didnt know it was RVS. If it was just human error with no clear motive, why the fuck would i push you on that front?

And im also suspicious because you keep using the word "lynch" rather than "push" when theres not enough concrete evidence. Lynch QR, lynch him, lynch her, lynch the mod, but never the word push. Thats why im also suspicious of you.

And with isoing as i said its easier to find easy places to push, but you're less likely to find information, especially in day 1, since there arent even any flips yet. For that reason if you're town you isoing borders on useless, and if you're scum you're going for an easy lynch.

1- I read ISO's because it's the fastest way to find out if someone is at a glance being townie or scummy.
2 - And honestly what you described in that 3rd paragraph is pretty much what I call RVS. It's rather pointless arguing over what post RVS stops at though, but voting someone to get them to L-2 or L-1 (Which MM4 was pushing for to happen) to get information is RVS.

1 - On later days, when there are associations to be made. Right now theres nothing unless you stretch it. Which you seemingly will, with ease.
2 - RVS/=/ Random Voting, the latter they were doing to get information, as you said.

Why the fuck wouldnt you want to get information again?

And yes, i am confident if you are scum i'll be able to make associations. Thats why i was wondering if there was a mafia daychat. I dont care if it pings your suspicions, there are only 4 days left and if i cant reunite the town in that time we'll probably be left to lynch the lowest hanging fruit, which will leave us again with nothing.

[Flairs]

Back doing a readthrough now

[Flairs]

So for starts, the reaction test feels easily fakeable to me which is why I don't entirely believe that Quantum was planning on doing it- I think it's more likely that it was just an attempt at defending himself while getting towncred at the same time, so a scumread on him and I'm going to look further into Io now

[QuantumRadius]

So for starts, the reaction test feels easily fakeable to me which is why I don't entirely believe that Quantum was planning on doing it- I think it's more likely that it was just an attempt at defending himself while getting towncred at the same time, so a scumread on him and I'm going to look further into Io now

of course it was faked, it was a reaction test!

[Io]

So for starts, the reaction test feels easily fakeable to me which is why I don't entirely believe that Quantum was planning on doing it- I think it's more likely that it was just an attempt at defending himself while getting towncred at the same time, so a scumread on him and I'm going to look further into Io now

No. OK, when a reaction test is used to defend and draw attention away from yourself it is typically, not always, pretty obvious.
For one, he would use it when he was in threat of being lynched. Not try to draw attention to himself to get people to lynch him.

[Io]

VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

And im also suspicious because you keep using the word "lynch" rather than "push" when theres not enough concrete evidence. Lynch QR, lynch him, lynch her, lynch the mod, but never the word push. Thats why im also suspicious of you.

I like how you said that quoting me saying push.
And besides that if you were to just Control + F my ISO page they are pretty close to the same in frequently used words (factoring in the quoted instances of the words)
And for the vast majority of the times I said "lynch" or variant of I'd say they were reasonable usage in the context of the usage. It's not like I was substituting lynch for push always so this point is verifiably false.

Also as far as I can tell the only "human error" thing I ever even mentioned was me messing up with how long the day's been going. Other than that the human error argument I've never used and that's just a stupid human error that's not even relevant to anything.

[DeltaW]

VC 1.8

Io (L-3) - Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire, Chickadee

Sorry guys spooked you with this one last time.

Lil Uzi Vert (L-5) - Sesq, MarioManiac4
Dongempire (L-6) - Io

Spawn Campers (6) - Flairs, A2, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Steel, Kop

A2 replaces Assemblerotws, Steel replaces taiho (awaiting role PM confirmation).

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Spooky!

[Steel]

God ye good den fellows.

[Donempire]

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

[A2]

A2 replaces Assemblerotws, Steel replaces taiho (awaiting role PM confirmation).

Don't even fucking wait next time just announce the replacement.
Whatever, catching up later.

Also Sesq, LUV, Chick I'm no keeping this alt secret anymore so...

[Steel]

VOTE: Io

I thought I'd end up defending this slot, but her mischaracterization of lil uzi vert was pretty bad. Reads more as having intentionally sought the wrong meaning for lil uzi vert's post to push a narrative, instead of a simple misinterpretation.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey Alisae!

[Steel]

That said, whether lil uzi vert is scum or town I know not. But that particular thing was in no way what io made it out to be.

[Steel]

Why are there so many people not voting anyone?

[Steel]

So there's no serious counterwagon to this. Lil uzi vert wagon is a joke. If this is scum I assume it's 1 bussing 1 not voting, if not then both inactive.

[Io]

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

OK, so if that's the case then go ahead and prove it please. Because when I look through the ISO the instances I see of me saying lynched are valid reasons for the word and just make as much if not more sense than saying pushed. I'm so confident with this that I can guarantee that you could not take quotes to even make this point viable without the same insane stretching that you've been doing this whole game.
Seriously you can grab any 3 quotes from me you like and prove that it was completely unnecessary to say lynched and pushed would have worked better to describe what I was saying.
This entire point of yours is basically degrading to you don't like my word choice which is frankly just a stupid accusation to begin with.

And there's not been any cherrypicking.
I don't see why if you're town you feel the need to lie so much about what I've said and give these halfassed weak pushes.
I've yet to see a single valuable piece of criticism come out of your mouth this whole game.

[Io]

Like seriously empire if you thought I was scum why are you making mountains out of mole hills to look for an excuse to vote me.
You're the only one who is actively looking for an excuse to vote me. Everyone else at least can come up with a valid reason to vote (be it just a gut like LUV or a reaction test like QR and Chick (which I don't even agree with but whatever that's a rant for another day))without making excuses like you are.

[Steel]

Dongempire, whilst I read Io likely scum the word usage in particular is likely not relevant. In other websites where players may come from, they use lynch as a standard term instead of wagon.

[A2]

Can confirm I'm vanilla scum

woooooooooow
that might actually be a slip

This is some really scummy shit right here.

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I personally don't really get any use out of RVS until after some scums die and we can get associations, so really I've just been watching people's posting patterns moreso than who's actually being voted.

With that being said I frankly see nothing wrong with either of you two, QR's RV has a reasonable explanation, and you're at least going for trying to get discussion and stuff going and considering Mafia thrive in inactive town's I say that's at least good enough for you to not be of immediate concern to me.

I'd like for the memes to sort of die down soon though, because there's no way to read someone who is just meming about. Part of the reason I put my RV on empire because he's just a meme.

In that case I am vey interested to see what you come up with! ja?

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

lmao this is a town post from BTD.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

This is some scummy shit right here.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I feel fine adding you to my scum pile for now. Though, I can see where you could be looking out for town.

Not bottom tier scum, but like, I'll get a lot of info on you from a flip.

This is some towny shit right here.

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Sorry, I never got the PM that this was starting.

I'm going to read the game now.

tbh
why am I not surprised.

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Bruh how the fuck do people even eat popcorn that fucking fast.

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

There was no flavour in the roles, there are only VTs and MGs, also I told everyone that the blue team existed.

Bruh you fucked up.

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why has nobody asked the obvious question
@

mod what are the team colors

It's Red (scum) vs Blue (town).

This should never been a thing in the first place.

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No one is confirmed and the mod is a good guy.

Let's all go back to actually playing mafia

Okay, at this point I thought this could also be some really scummy shit right here. Did you agree or disagree with the theory of BTD being town based off of that post?

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Alright. Even though BTD's logic is still bullshit, and his response was sketchy, i cant base my whole argument on him throwing a gambit like that as scum.

Time to find another unholy victim.

UNVOTE:

This is still some scummy shit btw.

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VOTE: Chickadee

If I trust you and think you're town I'll look into this some more.

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VOTE: Chickadee

Do you do anything other than fluff and vote?

Okay, why are you asking LUV this opposed to just everyone else. Because I am seeing other people do this exact same thing.

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You're saying that no one is playing the game.
That's the definition of a complaint.

No, its not. Nothing in that statement implies I'm unsatisifed with the situation.

It does, but whatever, you're rather pointless to argue with since you can't even notice a blatant contradiction like you posting fluff while complaining about no one playing the game.
And you still miss the point entirely that you've posted nothing but fluff until I called you out on it, and all you've done since then is try to detract from my accusation that you've only posted fluff by saying I'm scum for pointing out you're contradictions.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

i was just going to leave it at that, because you could just be ignorant, but I realized typing that last sentence that you are just trying to avoid my accusation and beat around the bush to try and turn my accusation into a reason I am scum.

tbh, I feel like this is PURE OMGUS except it's just has some sprinkles on it to make it seem like it isn't.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

I will gladly powerlynch you.

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OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

Yeah except I feel like other people are fluffing and you going for LUV for fluffing makes me draw questionmarks.

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Maybe all the ladies rolled scum this game

Io and LUV seems town on town to me.

The post that started that whole thing, LUV saying let's get back to playing, was not pointless as Io pointed out. I can see how it'd be taken that way, but everyone came in harping about a day start PM, when it was obvious (at least to me) that there wasn't one. It was a distraction to the game.

Thinking about it now, I'm going to go back and take note of that whole thing, for reasons.

This can be a scum!Chick post tbh.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

lol.

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Wait wait
did you tell everyone who asked or did you just tell mafia outright?
cause if its the latter THAT conftowns btd

Considering the blue claim was an abuse of human error I will not further comment in any way on this matter so as not to conftown or confscum anyone.

Stop.
Commenting.
On.
This.
This post should have never been made.

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VOTE: QuantumRadius
blatant opportunism

Okay, maybe MM4 can be town.

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UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

Okay, your Io interactions are making me think TvS, except I'm trying to figure out which one is which at this point.

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i dislike io wagon because occam's razor is a thing
it's more likely io just has a cold and calculating playstyle than scum using a claim to be a VI to elaborately jump on the wagon than to jump on for the scummy things QR has done.
also the wagon composition is pretty horrible.

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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VC 1.7

Io (L-2) - Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire, Kop, Chickadee
QuantumRadius (L-6) - MarioManiac4
Lil Uzi Vert (L-6) - Sesq

Spawn Campers (5) - Flairs, ex-Assemblerotws, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Io, ex-taiho

Assemblerotws is due to be kicked for being AFK for too long (boo).

taiho has left the game

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

Also me voting someone with a valid reason is not hypocritical as I said I wan't going to lynch someone or let them get lynched in RVS. And voting someone with a valid reason is the exact opposite of RVS.

But if you yourself had a valid reason to vote why were you so scared of a lolhammer?

VOTE: Io

I almost freaked the fuck out and would haved deathtunneled you out of pure fucking anger for this.
I mean 90% of the time this comes from town but still.
Give the fucking replacements a chance to come up with content.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

You are still scum.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

It's not, but why are you sounding shocked if you were so confident I'm scum?

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

Scumposting right here.

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VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

Okay this is better thank you

[A2]

I probably should have spoilered that huh?
Okay whatever.

{MM4, BTD, Sesq, IO}
{LUV, Kawso}
{Flairs, Kop, Taiho}
{Chick}
{Quantum, Dongempire}
VOTE: Quantum

[A2]

I'll be around a bit to interact with people.
But for the most part after that I'm just going to lurk to attempt to keep my post count low since that's how I play on this alt.
and holy shit I actually did a full catchup as town for once.

[Steel]

I don't see why if you're town you feel the need to lie so much about what I've said and give these halfassed weak pushes.
I've yet to see a single valuable piece of criticism come out of your mouth this whole game.

As for this. Has dongempire ever explicitly lied anywhere, can you provide this?

Why does whether he has "valuable" criticism something which reflects on his alignment? Tis quite possible for town to be mistaken and for scum to be reasonable. I read this as you take issue simply with how he does things, rather than looking into what may be the intent behind what he does.

[Steel]

Tis not an alisae alt...