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TheBrie | Mafia Goon | Survived |
RadiantCowbells vungrzlfrys¹ | Mafia Goon | Survived |
Kingmaker acidphoenix¹ | Vanilla Town | Endgamed |
GuiltyLion | Vanilla Town | Endgamed |
Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra)¹ | Vanilla Town | Lynched D2 |
Vic Sage | Vanilla Town | Killed N1 |
Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos)¹ | Vanilla Town | Lynched D1 second |
CommKnight | Vanilla Town | Lynched D1 first |
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So in your very first post (or at least first after seeing this post) POST BOTH DUOS YOU PICKED!!!!
I picked Guilty Lion & Vic Sage, and Thebrie & acidphoenix.
I'll compile a list of all possible duos plus cross out the ones people say. This is something we need to start off with to get the game rolling.
Also VOTE: Scylla and Charybdis - Because your heads are unknown.- GuiltyLion
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Hi everyone!
I think we should do what the players did the last time this was run, and claim our picks early to get all the information now on eliminated pairings. Note that even if scum lie about who they picked, they cannot pick themselves, so it's still a guaranteed impossible scumpair.
My picks were Brie+acidphoenix and CommKnight+Scylla and Charybdis. When I get to a computer later I can start putting this info into a table
P-edit: lol ninjad, and with a same pick too :/"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- CommKnight
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All Possible Pairings
Pairings acidphoenix Vic Sage acidphoenix Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) acidphoenix CommKnight acidphoenix GuiltyLion acidphoenix Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) acidphoenix TheBrie acidphoenix vungrzlfrys Vic Sage Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) Vic Sage CommKnight Vic Sage GuiltyLion Vic Sage Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) Vic Sage TheBrie Vic Sage vungrzlfrys Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) CommKnight Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) GuiltyLion Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) TheBrie Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra) vungrzlfrys CommKnight GuiltyLion CommKnight Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) CommKnight TheBrie CommKnight vungrzlfrys GuiltyLion Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) GuiltyLion TheBrie GuiltyLion vungrzlfrys Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) TheBrie Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos) vungrzlfrys TheBrie vungrzlfrys
Below is the above table in code so you can copy/paste and edit the table eaiser!!!
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Lol glad someone else thinks similar to. Also yes, I picked up on the fact scum couldn't lie in this set-up (regardless of the pairs they really picked) but I didn't want that to be public info until everyone outed their pairings.In post 8, GuiltyLion wrote: P-edit: lol ninjad, and with a same pick too :/
Also yeah, I picked mine based on hopefully the least likely to be picked. Because I want as many pairings crossed off as possible. So I picked some unknown people to be in each pairing in hopes no one else picked them.- Scylla and Charybdis
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I like this version of the table:
acidphoenix Vic Sage Scylla and Charybdis CommKnight GuiltyLion Duckdoggo TheBrie vungrzlfrys acidphoenix XOVic Sage XOScylla and Charybdis XOCommKnight OXOGuiltyLion OOXDuckdoggo XTheBrie OXvungrzlfrys X
where "X" is just denoting an impossible team and "O" is denoting a ruled-out team that someone picked. Eligible teams have blank spaces in the table. I'll make a final version once everyone's claimed their picks."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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whoops sorry I made a mistake in that table above, here's a corrected version cause that was gonna bug me
acidphoenix Vic Sage Scylla and Charybdis CommKnight GuiltyLion Duckdoggo TheBrie vungrzlfrys acidphoenix XOVic Sage XOScylla and Charybdis XOCommKnight OXOGuiltyLion OOXDuckdoggo XOTheBrie OOXvungrzlfrys X
after this I'll wait until we get the rest of the picks in"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- Duckdoggo
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Okay. First, I think we should treat this as a normal Day 1 until we're close to ending it in order to get better associatives. It seems really easy to me for scum to hide in the mechanic, and it seems like we'll get more information and associatives out of a normal D1.
Additionally, we don't want to let scum claim their picks last because that will be the easiest way for them to try and cater the picks towards manipulating town. I'm not going to explain how they might do this before everyone has claimed regardless of whether we agree to wait or not, but I think waiting until we have an L-1 is the best bet. And even if scum quickhammers to prevent pair claims, we've got a free scum lynch.
Oh, and btw VOTE: doggo.- Scylla and Charybdis
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Can you elaborate on this? I thought about this point before the game started and I rejected it.In post 17, Vic Sage wrote:First, I think we should treat this as a normal Day 1 until we're close to ending it in order to get better associatives. It seems really easy to me for scum to hide in the mechanic, and it seems like we'll get more information and associatives out of a normal D1.
"better associatives"- Scum already know the exact team and therefore they also know that all other teams are ruled out to them. They also already know they need to mask the association with their partner and that doesn't change just because other potential partners get ruled out. If anything, the job becomes harder, because town will be looking more critically at a narrower pool of players they could be working with.
Scum currently have the full advantage in terms of information, whereas town is operating with no information to help solve the game. Confirming that two players cannot be scum together is strictly pro-town information, I don't see how scum would benefit from having a publicly reduced set of options of town-town teams to push as scum or townies who could plausibly be partnered with them. I think ruling out possibilities provides a sharper focus to the possibilities that remain, which would also make for better analysis/arguments over associatives. Imagine if someone is pushing a scumread, yet also claims to townread the only viable partners for that player - this is helpful to look at and analyze, and makes it harder for scum to present plausible fake views of the game state.
You say we'll get "more" information if we don't claim picks, but I feel that most of that information becomes useless noise as soon as teams relevant to that information are ruled out.
"hide in the mechanic"- I think we should still play through a mostly normal D1, but with slightly more information than usual, as soon as all the ruled-out pairings are collected. And given that we're going to collect claims eventually, it's best to collect them ASAP. I don't really think there's much room for someone to hide in the mechanic if we're quick and efficient about it."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- GuiltyLion
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I'd bet a significant amount that we didn't manage to make an IC through the starting mechanic. Barring that, the only real purposes the claims will serve is 1. Associative tells and 2. PoE in the lategame. Interestingly, associatives are almost 0% useful without a single flip.
Additionally, scumdoesn'thave perfect information regarding picks. They, theoretically know 4 pairs that cannot be scum, and 1 pair that cannot have been chosen by anyone. And so they don't know who is the best to push based off of that. Knowing who cannot be scum together gives them a theoretical opportunity to craft mislynches based on what can or cannot be their proposed team.
I don't want to talk about how scum me would manipulate claiming, because that's really stupid. It just gives scum more direction on how they should fuck with us.
Also, no room to hide in the mechanic? I'll vote X because he has the most possible scumpairs!- Scylla and Charybdis
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Scum won't be looking for who the pair could have been. They just know that they are the pair, and town are town. If they know who the pairs are, they will aim to lynch town, if they don't they will aim to lynch town in a manipulative way either side.
You mentioned 17 that you didn't want to reveal until someone is at L1. What do you feel will change between then and now? Because all I can see is the same issues that you posted happening then.
What if everyone else claims their targets, do you still think it's a bad idea if only your results haven't been said?
I also wouldn't consider someone's entire input acceptable as vote X because they have the most possible scum pairs, would you?
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No I wouldn't, but it does seem like something that would get done. I have a lot of experience of poor theory crafting and suboptimal theory based plays messing up town's chances in non traditional mafia games.
My sole motivation for trying to delay this is the attempt to get scum to claim before town what pairs they submitted. That's it. If we have a full day before doing so, we can make the people who appear to be scummiest claim theirs first. My other preferred methods would be a popcorn claim, or for every player to have posted in literally their first post. Obviously, the last option isn't viable anymore. If we're gonna go with popcorn, I'd want GL, as my only townread so far, to begin the process.
Also, my vote is serious.- CommKnight
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No I'll play along. VOTE: Vic Sage.
I'll run your ass up to L1. I specifically said EVERYONE claim their pairs in their first post. Want to be anti-town about it? I will push for your lynch today. Anyone else who refuses to do so in their next post who haven't already, they'll also run the risk of being lynched. This is non-negotiable. Stalling is scummy as hell. - CommKnight
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