fishyguy wrote:Gork's play around drealmer's early wagon is bad. Here, i) Gork townreads both of the wagon,
i dont really see the magnitude of any wagons, so no idea who youre referring to other than creature here. for creature, yes, having played with him, its literally trivial to parse his towngame from his scumgame. can ask other people in the game for confirmation on this.
fishyguy wrote:and says dreal's play is "weird" without quite saying it's scummy. Gork then asks drealmer to be less combative. It really feels like Gork wants to push the wagon, without getting into conflict with drealmer - who was playing aggressively at that point in the game.
i) drealm has admitted hes playing weird this game.
ii) drealm engaged me about OOG stuff, i responded, he responded [being a dick] and i asked him to stop. literally none of this has anything to do with me pushing him or scumreading him. kind of a lazy assessment of that interaction. there was no "wagon" to push while avoiding it. why would i even care about that at the start of d1 anyways when a lynch is probably not happening that early?
fishyguy wrote:I disliked the exchange with Firebringer which starts here. Gork is using his history with FB to push the latter out of a scumread, while simultaneously doing some buddying with FB. This really feels like something scum would be more likely to do; it's pretty manipulative.
i) i buddy people as town pretty often, especially people i like and especially especially people i like that i think are town.
ii) i wont lie that i was manipulative, but it was kneejerk and probably something i actually wouldnt do as scum because i would feel bad about it. i dont think about things before i do them as town. as scum im a nervous mess overthinking my every post. im not going to immediately go the bullying route if im being scumread by someone i consider my friend and firebringer and i have a lot of context outside of the game. pretty sure firebringer's townread on me is based to some degree on that? but i could be wrong.
fishyguy wrote:Gork fits really well as a partner for Misa. This goes in both directions, but for the bits which are Misa-driven, I just don't see her being a crafty enough scumbag to plant this link on purpose. Repeatedly, Misa is concerned about scumreads on Gork, in a way that she isn't for anything else in the game.
i was going to rebutt against this, but rereading back, misa does this literally once that i can see. so. not really sure why youre exaggerating unless you just want the case to sound better?
fishyguy wrote:Misa explains a post of Gork's for no obvious reason.
In post 37, MisaTange wrote:I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."
or trying to find something thats easy to jump into the game on.
fishyguy wrote:She tries to defuse a conflict involving Gork.
no idea what this is referring to, unless its the answer to etl's question to misa about the aforementioned post:
In post 43, MisaTange wrote: In post 40, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: In post 37, MisaTange wrote:I assume that Gork said that due to meta-reasons. "He doesn't post like that as scum."
So.... my question to you would be, why did you feel the need to answer for Gork?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯, though I think it could be more answering to me also feeling around for how Creature plays, and also this weird end-thought process of also "Okay, how so?"
might need to explain what you mean here more carefully?
fishyguy wrote:She comments on Gork's argument with FB, initially not picking a side and then voting FB when pressed - with no reason for preferring FB over Gork.
having a reason to have a vote on someone to seem like she isnt doing nothing? its not possible to you that misa took some noisy tVt shit and used it to try to generate some content as scum, rather than immediately jumping to "SCUM IS PROTECTING THEIR KIN!"?
i feel that stuff doesnt happen as often with players like misa? honestly i would probably raise my eyebrow in a kneejerk way too with misa flip in hand, but if you think about this, should probably not be that cut and dry.
fishyguy wrote:Gork then asks about this - but not for long, and doesn't really do anything about it.
does it seem like i really did much about anything in this game questionwise? ive been pretty fucked healthwise the last week and a half and burnt out to some degree mafia-wise. literally was not feeling confident about a scumread on anyone, which was pretty much a universal experience in this game. i would be surprised if there werent ten other questions that i threw at other people at some point during this game hoping to get a feel for them, which i didnt get something with, so i moved on. do it a lot as town. possibly less this game because its been a slog and wasnt at 100%.
fishyguy wrote:He later says here that Misa is "even harder to sort than Fykus". This feels really off; Misa had quite a lot that could be read, and it felt like Gork was prodding at it earlier.
I wouldn't expect Gork to be putting her in an unreadable pile at this point.
why not for the bolded? she wasnt answering any of my questions with any degree of actual substance or insight into her thought process. i generally get reads based on understanding how people think. i had no idea how misa's thought process worked at all.
i get the misa/me connection because its flashy and she made some awkward posts that have my name in them and i appreciate the big catch-up post so quick after replacing in, but you missed a lot context and not putting quotes in your case made it impossible to follow what you were saying at points.
im legitimately not scum this game and im hitting a second wind motivation-wise and getting better health-wise so im probably going to have the energy to make it more clear.
god firebringer im sorry this felt like a mastina post but i needed to make it.
forgive me.
q.q
if i feel up to it and work isnt fucking me sideways will try to do a reread.
if not this weekend is a for sure commitment that if i dont hold myself to, you should probably scumread me for stalling. or at least tell me you will so i dont slack anymore in this game.
