Micro 766 Your Grand Idea Mafia! GAME OVER

[Hopkirk]

can the person who thought it was a good idea to put this role in come forward please

Well, I certainly didn't submit a Treestump role.

To clarify, you did submit a treestump role, right?

I reccomend we try to leave RVS early though. The more scum hunting the better!

Plus, I have been in multiple games where we won day 2 and we left RVS early!

VOTE: UC Voyager
You should participate in RVS imo.

Scum team has a list of all our roles.

Isn't it random though. Like, there is a chance they do. Of that was rolled

Do you have another explanation for the start delay? One of the roles I submitted gives a player a list of the roles in the game and the player can choose a non-town role to steal, then that player role is re-rolled.

Sry bout ur luck mcmenno.

If you're talking about a role swapper, doesn't that have the option of not swapping and getting a new role instead?

[Hopkirk]

If you're talking about a role swapper, doesn't that have the option of not swapping and getting a new role instead?

Spewing TMI?

What do you mean? I don't see why we wouldn't want to know what he's talking about/how it works.

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: UC Voyager

[Hopkirk]

Anyone want to admit to submitting a doublevoter?

[Hopkirk]

I wasn't planning on doing this, but I'm kind of playing against my win con if I don't.

I'm 'The Role Swap'. I got a list of all the roles in the game at the start.
I got the option to swap with one of the scum, or get another random role.
I picked the other role since the scum both have stupid post restrictions.
There's enough scum (and not enough protective roles) that I'm likely to die if I don't claim.
Claiming now gives me better odds than going through the game. I figure it's like 60-40 that people believe me.
Scum have a small chance to win purely by RNG (based on action picks at night).

I got assigned a modified survivor role, but it can't actually win with the scum because of how it works.
However, town can screw me over, so i'll have to reveal my information slowly.
The only thing that stopped me saying this earlier was noticing that Arch softclaimed what he did. @Arch: remove the 'town' and the third letter is r.

Could the town zombie claim if possible.
I'll reveal how to find scum 1 after people have discussed my claim.

[Hopkirk]

Morphling. I start as a survivor. Whenever someone dies then I take their role and alignment.
My strategy is as follows:
1.) Lynch the bulletproof scum and become it (you'll see at this point that the role can't solo the entire town).
2.) Don't kill during the night. Become town or stay as a SK if depending on who dies.
3.) Lynch the second scum. This is the stage where town could screw me if they decided to lynch me then lynch the other scum purely to screw me over.
4.) Town wins during the next night phase. I become town here.

First scum is 'Dexter Morgan', the only role in that thread who is only allowed to vote twice per day, then their vote won't keep changing. Easy to find by testing people and waiting for a votecount.

[Hopkirk]

One is a post restriction, one is a vote restriction.
I considered taking Dexter initially, but then I realized there's literally nothing I can fakeclaim if someone asks why my votes stopped working after the second one. I didn't want to play with that kind of restriction.

[Hopkirk]

Dexter knows other killing roles (how many, alignment) and can kill one randomly per night.
Knows if watched, inspected, tracked.
Bulletproof- and the other scum isn't a strongman.
The vote restriction.
Doctors who protect you get your alignment.
Serial killer.
Doesn't have a nightkill.

[Hopkirk]

@Archwing: Oh, third letter is 'p'. You can probably work out why I said R, or I can justify it.

[Hopkirk]

OK. can we know how many scum there because im assuming you know?

Two.

im assuming no one got the other town role i put in. town 1-shot deathproof rolecop

Funny you should mention that...
Deathproof rolecop is why I wanted to know the Zombie. Treestump/Zombie are the best things for me to kill to revert to town after the scum die. I didn't want to hit the deathproof rolecop, but didn't want them to claim either.

OK. can we know how many scum there because im assuming you know?

Sounds like two.

Dexter knows other killing roles (how many, alignment) and can kill one randomly per night.
Knows if watched, inspected, tracked.
Bulletproof- and the other scum isn't a strongman.
The vote restriction.
Doctors who protect you get your alignment.
Serial killer.
Doesn't have a nightkill.

So Dexter can only vote twice. Knows all the killers and alignment of them. And can kill one of them a night?
Abs the other scum is a doc who is neutral till they protect someone

That's not the second scum. Remember it's a role someone submitted. I'll also say now that it's not the role I submitted. I can't reveal everything about them right now, but that doesn't matter in terms of what they could do tonight.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk I believe you. I knew you were spewing TMI earlier lol. Now that makes sense.

What are the scums posting restrictions? Are they only allowed x number of posts? Why would it help for the zombie to claim? I see your plan but we need to find scum before we can lynch them in your preferred order, how are we going to find the bp scum specifically?

Dexter can't change their vote after they've made two. We catch them through the forced voting method to see who can't change.
I then become bulletproof, and there's no roles that would then be able to kill me during the night.
Therefore I can survive to provide more information night two.

[Hopkirk]

I put in Dexter!

The Dexter role is OP af. Hold on boys and girls, this is going to be a swingy game.

We can catch it automatically today.
There's absolutely no swinginess involved if town follows my strategy.
There's also a cop who can confirm I'm telling the truth about my role night one. They'll see it changed, and we've had confirmation that the role I'm claiming is actually in the game.
That cop can't die night one anyway.

[Hopkirk]

So find dexter lynch them you get the powers and then you have more info night two?

Pretty much.
Technically the scum could win night two, but that's very unlikely.
In that regard, it also wouldn't help if I helped coordinated night actions today.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: UC Voyager

Note to you. It takes More then 4 Votes to lynch you. There are 8 Alive.

Soooo.. This was the hammer.

Whatever UCV was we will find out shortly... Iirc, this isn't flipless.

Investigates on me tonight please if any. I will explain tomorrow.

The role I was talking about benefits from being investigated.

[Hopkirk]

If anyone wants to volunteer to be killed day two then I'll kill them instead.
I said zombie paritally because it reveals nothing about other roles, and partially becuase it comes back to life so it thematically fits (since you wouldn't be 'dead' as such).

@Archwing: So I did get the letters right? Could you confirm another letter of your choice (if you want, I believe that it's you since nobody else benefits from the inspect)? It's obscure enough that it wouldn't be worth anyone's time looking for it in the thread.

Personally my third party pick was a 'Third-Party Trance Cellmaker'. It had a really nice ability to spawn minions that could vote. Not a massive threat in a game this size, and it's existence is demonstarted night one.

[Hopkirk]

Archwing’s letter matches so is confirmed town.
Mozamis seems experienced enough not to be making the mistakes he is. He also hasn’t changed votes twice to prove he isn’t Dexter, so he probably is Dexter.
@Mozamis
1.)

I claimed my role, then someone verified they had put that role into the game afterwards

. The chances I managed to guess correctly are effectively 0 (below 1% based on number of possible scumroles).
2.) There’s a way to

verify if I’m telling the truth or not tomorrow night

. There shouldn’t be any roles capable of autowinning if they aren’t lynched day 1, that would be excluded from the setup. Dexter also clearly can’t win without anything else, so I don’t threaten town.
Your arguments don’t make any sense given the context that the only roles in the game are ones we submitted.
There’s no disadvantage to town following me. I’ve given them a free confirmed scum lynch today, and you can reduce the 1% chance I’m lying to 0% tomorrow night.

Anyone who votes three different people in three separate votes is automatically confirmed to not be Dexter. There is no reason not to do this. Someone else verified they submitted Dexter after I claimed it was in game.
Best way to ‘scumhunt’ is to verify who is Dexter using the very simple method.

[Hopkirk]

@hopkirk,

What happens to town when your win-con changes? I feel like following you is all fine and dandy, but do you maybe have some ulterior motive when you 'become' Dexter?

The best thing about Dexter is he doesn't have a regular kill, or any extra voting powers. It can't beat town.
When you see I change by investigating me, that's further confirmation that I'm the role I'm claiming- beyond the fact someone else agreed they put it into the game.
The Dexter role is searchable in the other thread too. It's all public record what I'll be- win conditions etc. You can lynch me tomorrow just as easily if I don't tell you the other scum.

[Hopkirk]

Morphling. I start as a survivor. Whenever someone dies then I take their role and alignment.
My strategy is as follows:
1.) Lynch the bulletproof scum and become it (you'll see at this point that the role can't solo the entire town).
2.) Don't kill during the night. Become town or stay as a SK if depending on who dies.
3.) Lynch the second scum. This is the stage where town could screw me if they decided to lynch me then lynch the other scum purely to screw me over.
4.) Town wins during the next night phase. I become town here.

First scum is 'Dexter Morgan', the only role in that thread who is only allowed to vote twice per day, then their vote won't keep changing. Easy to find by testing people and waiting for a votecount.

hey that's my role

McMenno is confirmed town.
He verified he submitted my role after I claimed it. There's maybe a 1% chance this would happen if I made it up.
This role is public record.
It can be further verified by cop.
After I change roles, I won't have any abilities that threaten town. The role also means I'll be back to town after a nightkill (or a lynch and n2 nightkill if scum shoots the rolecop n1).

[Hopkirk]

They can only vote twice per day.
So anyone can prove they aren't Dexter by voting, making another post with a different vote, then making a third with another new vote and waiting for the votecount to update.

[Hopkirk]

Can’t be Dexter: Vauxkiller, Elmo, Archwing, Cheeky
Still need to test: UC, Mozamis, Assemble

[Hopkirk]

wait.

you only mentioned a post restriction and vote restriction.
the vote restriction is dexter
the post restriction in a mafia
what about the second scum? what made you not chose the second scum role?

hopkirk?

The other scum can kill. Dexter can't.
If we lynch Dexter first, we lynch the other one second and I can kill someone to become town again.
If we lynch the other scum first, then Dexter we have to lynch another town for me to become town again.

[Hopkirk]

Pretty much.
I don't see how Dexter was meant to win this.

[Hopkirk]

Plus if we killed the other one first Dexter would be able to kill me.

[Hopkirk]

Whenever someone dies I become their role.
This updates with every single death.

Dexter could kill me n1 if we lynched the killing role today.

[Hopkirk]

This is true. Dexter could win this if it wasn't for the vote restriction.

Tbh, I don't see how the vote restriction makes since for a Dexter reference.

I read into it.

Him killing a killing role at random is pretty bad ass for town.

But your plan makes since because we will have you as Dexter anyway then we lynch a townie at random and you become townie and win with us.

Based on the game rules, it's also preferable for us/me to lynch Dexter first.

[Hopkirk]

What if we no lynched.

Then at the end of night one both a scum died and a townie died?

Not sure what happens in that scenario, but that scenario relies on Dexter killing the other scum when that's an awful move for Dexter to make.

[Hopkirk]

@Lucky2u: Can you confirm that the votecount is right and that you didn't miss UC's votes?
He's got several listed votes, and looks like he should either be on no lynch or Archwing.

[Hopkirk]

I was not mafia aligned.

guys!!!!! this is why you check what someone is at before hammering. town would have loved my role

In which case, these statements are both true lol.

[Hopkirk]

Even if I hadn't been in the game, Dexter would have been screwed from the beginning based on what roles the town has.
Town would have had to have played really badly, or got miraculously unlucky to not get rid of you.
Even then, you autolose if it was anyone other than you or the other scum who submitted Dexter.
The moment they mention the post restriction it makes sense to test it, and you basically auto lose.
And that's leaving aside the fact literally 0 other roles in that thread have your post restriction.


VOTE: UC Voyager

[Hopkirk]

I wont even count this game in my record because it wasn't me who lost this game. It was the set up that lost me this game. lol

I was just going to say I wouldn't count it if I was you.

[Hopkirk]

@Certain town role: be careful during the night phase.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk

signing in.

First off, my callsign is not from ‘Captain Kirk’. It’s initially from an old British bad folk catching show.

This is hardish with my talky limit, but still good. I can’t avail ‘5’ script. Could pick say ‘x or 5 or ’ as solution, but hard fun this way. Also two nasty talky stop guy puts 'Captain Kirk signing out' for finish.

Truly, town talky limit guy acts much anti-town. Odd, as turn hard talky companion is good consort. Not good possibility that I talk much today. Risky with nasty hard talky individual stopping my plain communication.

Anyway,

lmo th azn is also nasty bad guy

. Not similar nasty bad guy, but nasty bad guy without happy-buddy, similar to first nasty bad guy who had no happy-chums. Nasty bad guy two also got hard luck. From start, nasty bad guy two was obvious from ballot. Four ballot picks turn affinity obvious.

Obviously, I am sort of first nasty baddy right now. Our bad fold catching PI can show that. I turn back to town during night, so no roadblocks in that part.

Town wins without flaw. Yay town.

VOTE: Xlmo thX AzN

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[Hopkirk]

Much obvious solution too, right?
Nasty talky guys don't stop Hop.

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[Hopkirk]

Nasty bad guy could/might of had last night win by attacking good 'also action using guy' if also action using guy was not smart also action using guy.
But would want good Hop guy's nasty guy pick too... or not good for nasty bad guy.

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[Hopkirk]

Oddly, its town.
Also, that guy could not if want.

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[Hopkirk]

cant rally undrstand anything kirk is saying
but hs voting lmo
probably bst if w shp? It dos sm unlikly that h's lying.
Worst cas w can always lynch him bfor LYLO?
So w all vot lmo?

Right, that’s last scum. Lynch him and win.
Cop should/might confirm Hopkirk is truthful.
Will list town (Such as town Zomby) if you/town want that.

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[Hopkirk]

I was truthful. Town (including Hopkirk) wins following this night.
Is good to win without flaws.

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[Hopkirk]

Sort of. I kill individual who brings back said individual. Still counts imo.

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[Hopkirk]

Po$t r3$triction$ ar3 annoying. I hav3 to r3plac3 two l3tt3r$ with $p3cific $ymbol$. To who3v3r is gifting th3$3 po$t r3$triction$, pl3a$3 $top.

I like that you got a version of the post restriction you gave me, but it was twice as bad. Really fits with the idea of Arch/the Vortex dealing double what he/it took.

The lesson of this game is that blindly trusting Hopkirk is a good idea.

[Hopkirk]

A sixth point is that the confirmed town treestump submitted the Morphling role rather than anyone nonconfirmed.
If anyone else had submitted morphling then they could have been my partner gambiting.
Given I claimed Morphling then confirmed town verified it existed, it was very unlikely I was lying.