Open 707 - JK9++ [Endgame]

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop?

[Mathdino]

i am fairly certain that you will not increase assemble's activity by pressuring him

Lol my vote isn't for pressure. Voting cuz scum.

Interested to see momo's take on all this.

[sheepsaysmeep]

If you haven't shot by then, we're obviously lynching you.

or if jay's towniness increases by a shit ton miraculously

[JaydragonKing]

Was I supposed to hardclaim when I was dead? I don't know if you noticed, but I was about six hours from someone voting me up and Dino hammering.

When is it the best time to claim then?

--- Post Edit ---

Look at that, Dino answered for me.

[Almost50]

Also, @those who hard TR momo, I'd be careful with that. I dunno if he is really that shallow or if he scum slipped multiple times, and I pointed it out "mildly" but nobody saw it, it seems.

momo asked for the protectives to be targeting him if Jay flipped Scum. Granted the condition is unlikely to be true from where I stand, but what I'm interested in is he mentioned both he JK and the Bus Driver.

Oh and btw, after this post, if Jay does flip scum, I am a likely NK so if jay flips scum, doctor/jailkeeper/whatever protective or bus driving role there is on me

First, if he is asking to be JK'd he definitely has no night action or has one he doesn't intend to use. That's definitely not the Tracker nor is it the Doctor/JK. It isn't the Hider and if he was Commuter he would've used that instead. He is also not a Vig, Role Cop nor a Gunsmith.

That only leaves the Vengeful, and Vengeful never seeks to be overly TR'd as their main objective is to get lynched and kill someone they SR. (Note that bthis is from the guy who claims to be the biggest lynchbait on the site, so Vengeful should REALLY be easy for him, AND no Scum would want to shoot a self-claimed lynchbait anyway).

That leaves us with momo as a VT. Now why would a VT ask for protection??

Never mind.

Another point is the Mafia JOAT has a STRONGMAN SHOT, so even assuming momo was a VT who is more interested in his own survival over TPRs it still doesn't work, and for someone who sets tricks for others about the setup I don't see him not noticing the Mafia JOAT had a Strongman kill. (Not to mention the SK has the option to choose between being 1-shot BP OR Ninja AND Strongman)

OK.. now let's talk about the Bus Driver! The ONLY Bus Driver I see is a MAFIA 1-shot Driver, and -AGAIN- I don't see momo missing that "little" detail. Now why would any Townie expect the MAFIA BUS DRIVER to help them out if they lynch MAFIA?? Does it makes any sense to you all??

The more I think about it the more I feel like momo has been baiting the protective roles (if any) to be on him so his team's shot on their target would go through w/o the need of using their Strongman Shot (if existent) or maybe because they don't have one to begin with. (I'm leaning the former though, because I would have saved my strongman shot to use closer to LyLo/MyLo if I was Scum).

Either way, with their target left unprotected the only way(s) the NK fails is if they target the SK (assuming they picked 1-shot BP), the 1-shot Commuter (if applicable) or the Hider.

To elaborate, both the SK/Commuter CAN be shot the next night, while the Hider they already know who everyone is targeting IF they were the Hider, so 3 people will be cleared from being Hiders (or maybe one will die already?? Who knows?)

What I'm proposing is Mafia have a BUS DRIVER and very likely a JOAT (That is TT, T, or 0Ts), but that doesn't help much TODAY, so let's keep it for later.

FoS momo and DEFINITELY don't want Jay lynched. I don't even know what to think of Mathdino if momo flips Scum at any point, as Dino's plan could still have come from sincere Town perspective or could've been inspired by Scum trying to detect a Hider if there was one.

P.S> There goes my own Town!Block out the window. Good job, myself!

[Creature]

Why Assemble though?

[sheepsaysmeep]

In post 449, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
i am fairly certain that you will not increase assemble's activity by pressuring him

Lol my vote isn't for pressure. Voting cuz scum.

Interested to see momo's take on all this.


In post 449, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i am fairly certain that you will not increase assemble's activity by pressuring himLol my vote isn't for pressure. Voting cuz scum.Interested to see momo's take on all this.

was to impede

[sheepsaysmeep]

a50 can i have a tldr

[Almost50]

a50, is there anything you dont like about assemble's vote besides that it was the next vote

The fact he wasn't even active in the game before he popped out to vote?

[yessiree]

VC 1.15

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

JaydragonKing (3) -

havingfitz, momo, Assemblerotws

Creature (2) -

JaydragonKing, RedFlavor

Impede (2) -

Kop, Almost50

Assemblerotws (2) -

Mathdino, Impede

Almost50 (1) -

UnabombaH

RedFlavor (1) -

sheepsaysmeep

Not voting

- Hawk, Creature

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-01-12 08:00:00)

[Impede]

There are so many dumb-as-hell arguments in this post that I almost don't even want to bother responding. But knowing that I'll get scumread for ignoring you again... here you go:

@momo: Jay is very likely Town to me. They're just being stubborn and overly confrontational (which is annoying somewhat, but is most certainly a TOWN trait). I also liked their reads, so I'm not really feeling scum!Jay here.

Instead, I invite you to check this out:

Wow what a snoozefest. All the theory talk isn't game-advancing at all. I know Math is posting up a readslist, so I'll do the same. This is mostly gut off of reading the past 2-3 pages.

Momo, Jay
Math, A50

Kop, Hawk

Una, Fitz
-

Everyone else is

null

for lack of content.

However, I don’t like momo’s confidence in townreading A50. Seems contrived.

These quotes are only just over 6 hours apart.

Actually they are about 18 hours and 30 minutes apart... not that it matters. I wasn't providing a change in reads with that second post. Just observing that his confidence seemed fake. I townleaned BOTH of you and continued to even after that post.

From then on he starts throwing shade on me for everything I say, pushes Jay (and votes him), shades Mathdino, agrees with Una while actively maintaining a SR on him, but never votes him, and totally ignores the discussion when I ask him how he would have had me phrase my thoughts (about Creature) w/o them sounding "overly aggressive" to him.

These are the posts where I even mention you. 170 was directed at your response to my 152 which you quoted, where I even said that it was NAI, 288 and 336 weren't even directed at you and are hardly throwing shade, and 341 is the actual post where I call you out. Didn't respond to your question about "how i would phrase it"
because it was moronic and an exercise in futility. Not going to argue for the sake of argument.

THIS IS SCUM. Una IS his partner. It's painfully obvious I am astonished others can't see the link. At least Jay agrees Impede is Scum, and both their readlists (they posted two versions) and their progression feel like Town reads/progression, plus -a I said earlier- they're being too confrontational I can hardly see them flipping Scum (only a few select players are that bold as Scum).

I was going to take a dump on this before Jay hardclaimed Vig, but no sense in it now lol

So, if Redflavor isn't promising I'm switching to Impede, because Dino obviously won't let me lynch Una first. I'm good with either Una/Impede (and YES, even before Red whom I'd be reevaluating my read on if I'm still alive by tomorrow).

VOTE: Impede

Yay for OMGUS!

P-edit: I was just thinking to myself the nex vote on Jay would come from Scum. I never saw it to be from Assemble though.

[momo]

That leaves us with momo as a VT. Now why would a VT ask for protection??

'Cause at that moment I thought I had the game cracked open and scum would like to lynch a player like that....why would I ask for protection instead of a powerrole..call me selfish but I like to play and stay alive, enjoying this game and don't wanna die

[sheepsaysmeep]

a50, is there anything you dont like about assemble's vote besides that it was the next vote

The fact he wasn't even active in the game before he popped out to vote?

this was what i was thinking too
a50's post abt momo being vt i dont like

[Mathdino]

@sheep: I wouldn't worry about it. A50's logic is pretty much balls. New reads list in order looks like:

Town: Jay, Una, momo, fitz, Kop
Null-town: sheep, Hawk
Null: Impede, A50, Creature
Scum: Red, Assemble

[momo]

OK.. now let's talk about the Bus Driver! The ONLY Bus Driver I see is a MAFIA 1-shot Driver, and -AGAIN- I don't see momo missing that "little" detail. Now why would any Townie expect the MAFIA BUS DRIVER to help them out if they lynch MAFIA?? Does it makes any sense to you all??

Oh come on m8, I asked for doctor/jk/bus driver because those are all the protectives that I could see showing up...Contrary to your opinion, I don't have setups memorized...the bait was something carefully planned out after consulting the wiki...it wasn't something I just came up with of the top of my head....I didn't know what protectives where available

[sheepsaysmeep]

i mean i dont like a50 momo role speculating earlier
that big wallpost im not reading

[sheepsaysmeep]

analyzing the deterioration of the red wagon later

[Almost50]

VOTE: red
i'll read the impede case later

GDI! Did EVERYBODY roll Scum in this game or are you all nuts? Is this a practical joke? Am I on candid camera? Why is everybody acting as scummy as they ever could?

To explain: Both myself and Dino were on Red for ages. You waited till we BOTH switched of him to vote there??? Really??? Only NOW does Red feel Scummy to you???

[sheepsaysmeep]

red/jay were my lynchpool
i was on red
then i was on jay
jay claimed

[Mathdino]

For anyone interested, Binomial Theorem and probability shenanigans dictate that the chances for the mafia team are:

55.1%: Goon, Goon, JOAT
22.8%: Goon, JOAT, 1-shot Bus Driver
22.0%: Goon, 1-shot Bus Driver

[Impede]

Was I supposed to hardclaim when I was dead? I don't know if you noticed, but I was about six hours from someone voting me up and Dino hammering.

When is it the best time to claim then?

--- Post Edit ---

Look at that, Dino answered for me.

I don't think this is true. But I guess Dino preemptively posting intent does complicate things a bit. I'd like to think that any sensible player would actually wait for hardclaims at L-1+intent, but who knows.

[Mathdino]

Yeah there are at least 5 bad pieces of logic in A50's post. I'm at the point of playing Dumb or Scum with him.

Momo, who's your lynchpool now? We're not lynching a verifiable role.

[JaydragonKing]

'Cause at that moment I thought I had the game cracked open and scum would like to lynch a player like that....why would I ask for protection instead of a powerrole..call me selfish but I like to play and stay alive, enjoying this game and don't wanna die

And everyone started the shit on me for saying the Survivor wincon? Old news, but it still stings.

--- Post Edit ---

I am also probably not the most sensible person sometimes either, Impede, so don't count that out.

[momo]

The more I think about it the more I feel like momo has been baiting the protective roles (if any) to be on him so his team's shot on their target would go through w/o the need of using their Strongman Shot (if existent) or maybe because they don't have one to begin with. (I'm leaning the former though, because I would have saved my strongman shot to use closer to LyLo/MyLo if I was Scum).

I've been baiting protective roles...mmm....I don't think you understand how my mind works. That's fine...for me, getting past D1 matters more than winning. Call me selfish but after being mislynched so many times, you get that attitude...I wasn't baiting anything, I was making sure that I made it past the day...

Also, I agree when you say that scum is likely to save strongman for later considering it has the highest chance of being needed...but srsly speeking, do you think scum would be worried about doctor/jailkeeper N1. First of all, there is little chance the doctor blocks their kill. Second, there is only a 10% chance of there being a protective role. You wanna get into setup spec...the situation you are calling for is B.S. and no good scum would risk that kind of attention D1. I definitely wouldn't

[Impede]

GDI! Did EVERYBODY roll Scum in this game or are you all nuts? Is this a practical joke? Am I on candid camera? Why is everybody acting as scummy as they ever could?

To explain: Both myself and Dino were on Red for ages. You waited till we BOTH switched of him to vote there??? Really??? Only NOW does Red feel Scummy to you???

Can you respond to my 438?

pedit: Jay, I was not referring to you as the one who would be sensible. I was referring to Math being sensible by giving you time to hardclaim before hammering.