Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:52 pm

NEWBIE 1845


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Welcome to Newbie 1845: A New Dawn!

Your moderator is mhsmith0.

Playerlist:
  1. RadiantCowbells (replaces SaulJoker)
  2. Aviqf
  3. thenavneet (replaces Sunset at dawn)
  4. Sando (replaces sheepsaysmeep)
  5. Inferno390
  6. Sunlit Diamond (SE)
  7. Transcend (replaces Creature) (SE)
  8. RedFlavor (SE)
  9. Lil Uzi Vert (IC)

Spoiler: Living Players
  1. thenavneet (replaces Sunset at dawn), Mafia Goon, survives


Spoiler: Deceased Players
  1. RadiantCowbells (replaces SaulJoker), Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
  2. Lil Uzi Vert (IC), Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
  3. Inferno390, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 2
  4. Transcend (replaces Creature) (SE), Mafia Rolecop, lynched day 3
  5. Sunlit Diamond (SE), Town Tracker, killed night 3
  6. RedFlavor (SE), Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
  7. Aviqf, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
  8. Sando (replaces sheepsaysmeep), Vanilla Townie, endgamed


Spoiler: Replacement Queue


Spoiler: Event History
  1. [url]Day one lynch: TBD[/url]
  2. [url]Night one results: TBD[/url]
  3. [url]Day two lynch: TBD[/url]
  4. [url]Night two results: TBD[/url]


Spoiler: PT Links - to be released post-game
  1. [url]Mafia PT[/url]
  2. [url]Dead PT[/url]
  3. [url]IC Confessional[/url]
  4. [url]Mod PT[/url]
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:56 pm

General Site Rules:
  • Follow all site rules. Play to your wincon but above all play to have fun. Do not ruin the game for others.
  • If you have something that you need to communicate with me bold your text or I cannot guarantee I will see it.
  • As the MOD I reserve the right to modkill or force-replace players as I see fit.
  • If you feel I have erred send me a PM and let me know.
  • That said, do not bring disagreements with me into the thread. That is what the PM is for. The same goes for disagreements with other players.
  • Do not use invisible or in some way encrypted fonts or typing.
  • Do not quote communications with the moderator (in particular, your role PM). Quoting the timestamp of your role PM counts as quoting your role PM. Paraphrasing communications, however, is usually ok.

General game rules:
  • I will use the colour #f9d71c. This is my color and only my color. Don't use it.
  • A lynch is reached when a majority of all players (half rounded down plus one) are voting for the same target.
  • If a majority is not reached by the deadline, a No Lynch will occur.
  • You may vote No Lynch in the same way that you vote for a lynch. Once a majority has voted for a no lynch the day immediately ends.
  • Votes must be written in bold as Vote: Player or use the VOTE: Player tag. Votes that are not tagged will not be counted.
  • Votes in quotes, spoiler tags or otherwise hidden will also not be counted.
  • Votes that misspell or have other minor errors will be counted as normal as long as I understand what you are getting at.
  • Unvotes are helpful, but not necessary. Let me know if I make an error in vote counts and I will correct them.
  • I will try and do vote counts often but if you want one just let me know. In general, I will be mainly available evenings (5 PM - 12 PM Pacific) and weekends, so you may not get a quick VC if it's in the middle of the day.
  • As the MOD I will keep communication down to the absolute minimum possible (aside from vote counts and the like). I do not want to influence the game itself – that is for the players to do.
  • Flips will have full role revealed (I will essentially post the PM you received on your flip with the obvious required reductions)

Game Flow:
  • The Game will begin and the thread will be unlocked after 7 players confirm via PM, or 48 hours after role PMs are sent, whichever is faster. I will not, however, unlock the game thread before 24 hours have passed.
  • I will auto-replace any player who has not picked up their role PMs within 72 hours after I send out role PMs.
  • If you have not posted for 48 hours you will receive a prod. If you do not post within 24 hours of a prod you will be replaced. A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
  • Please announce if you are going on V/LA. I prefer this announced in thread unless there is a specific reason not to. If you are on V/LA, you are still expected to post in thread at least every 96 hours. If this is an issue for you, please discuss it with me PRIVATELY via PM.
  • Three prods may result in being replaced.
  • Day phases will last a maximum of 14 days.
  • Each Night Phase will last 48 hours.
  • Mafia chat with each other at any time.
  • You may communicate as normal during the twilight phase until I close the thread but votes/un-votes will not count.
  • Extensions may be granted for replacements or extenuating circumstances.
  • A missed Night Action will result in a No Action.
  • The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.
  • If you must replace out, PM me privately and stop posting in thread.
  • If a player replaces out while having a vote active, that vote will remain active until such time as the replacement chooses to unvote or vote elsewhere. The sole exception is when a player replaces out while self-voting. In that case, the act of replacing in is considered an automatic unvote.
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:02 am

basic game and site functionality
  1. Using the "code" tag will let you show something in code to demonstrate, see below
  2. Voting is done by using the vote tags:
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    [vote]mhsmith0[/vote]
    gets you VOTE: mhsmith0
  3. Unvoting is done by using the unvote tags:
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    [unvote]mhsmith0[/unvote]
    gets you UNVOTE: mhsmith0, or you can simply vote someone else
  4. As a reminder, Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed. This includes discussion ongoing games here or this game elsewhere.
  5. It is not an official rule, but as a courtesy, please do not use the spoiler tags, but instead the spoiler=tag. This is because phones cannot read spoiler tag.
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    [spoiler=]blah blah blah[/spoiler]
    .
    Spoiler:
    blah blah blah
    can be read on any device. blah blah blahcan only be read on a computer.
  6. It is generally recommended to choose an avatar. This is a courtesy to fellow players, so that they can more easily differentiate you from other players when reading the thread. You can do this by going to User Control Panel, then Profile, then "Edit Avatar", and you can upload a picture or gif that will go along with your user name when you post.
  7. If you have any questions about basic rules, or the newbie setup, feel free to ask them in thread or PM me directly.
  8. Good Luck Everyone!



important setup informationNewbie Setup
2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

ABC
MafiaMafia RoleblockerMafia RolecopMafia Goon
Row 1Town Cop and Town NeopolitanTown Cop and Town TrackerTown Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2Town Jailkeeper and Town DoctorTown Jailkeeper and Town TrackerTown Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3Town Cop and Town DoctorTown Neopolitan and Town DoctorTown Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by one mafia goons and five vanilla townies appropriately, to create a 2-mafia and 7-town setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects. Mafia Roleblocker action takes precedence over a Town Jailkeeper action should that apply




Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)
Spoiler:
Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a Vanilla Townie.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a Town Jailkeeper.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a Town Cop.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are Town or Mafia. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town NeapolitanWelcome!

You are a Town Neapolitan.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are Vanilla Townie or Not Vanilla Townie. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a Town Tracker.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they visited, if any. If they visited nobody, you will be told they did not visit anyone. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a Town Doctor.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a Mafia Goon.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located [url]here[/url], where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a Mafia Rolecop.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment. Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons will both return "Vanilla". If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located [url]here[/url], where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a Mafia Roleblocker.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located [url]here[/url], where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is [url]here[/url].

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:04 am

Welcome to MafiaScum!
The following is information that should help you acclimate to the game of mafia, mafiascum site meta, and the newbie game format specifically.

Basic Game Mechanics
Spoiler: Alignment and Role Randing
Every single player is randed into a role and alignment by a random, unbiased process (typically random.org, dice tags ,etc). In particular, an IC is no more or less likely to be town or mafia (or a power role for either alignment) than an SE or a newbie.


Spoiler: How to Vote
You vote either by bolding someone’s name or using vote tags, which look like:
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[v]Player Name[/v]

Most mods will accept minor misspellings of a player’s name as being a valid vote.
While we’re at it: don’t self-vote. Self-voting can sometimes be appropriate behavior for mafia; it is virtually never appropriate behavior for town. Do not do it.


Spoiler: Lynching
When a majority of living players votes for someone, that person is lynched.


Spoiler: MYLO and LYLO
The mafia will win when they equal or outnumber the town. This means that, for the mafia to win, they must at some point reach what is known as MYLO (mislynch and lose) or LYLO (lynch correctly or lose).
MYLO happens when the town only outnumbers the mafia by 2 during a day phase, and LYLO happens when the town only outnumbers the mafia by 1 during a day phase. In the newbie game format, this can happen as early as day 3 given two mislynches and one or two successful night kills.
In MYLO/LYLO, the mafia have the ability to win by quick-hammering a town that has votes on them. As a consequence, it is important to have all of the relevant information you can get as town. For starters, during MYLO/LYLO there is typically a mass claim of power roles if any still survive. This helps ensure that there is a cleared town member, or if there are countering claims, it helps to narrow down who might or might not be mafia. If you are in MYLO/LYLO, and it is possible or outright known (based on flipped roles) that at least one town PR still exists, DO NOT VOTE before the mass claim happens.



MafiaScum Site Meta
Spoiler: Random Voting Stage (RVS)
On MafiaScum, games typically begin with what is known as RVS. Because town has not information about who is or is not mafia, while mafia know everyone’s alignment (though not roles), games typically begin with voting and questioning other people. RVS usually starts with silly-looking votes for silly-looking reasons, but it is through these votes and the reactions to them that we can start to determine who seems likeliest to be mafia.


Spoiler: Basic Lynch Mechanics and Role Claiming
When a majority of living players vote for the same slot, that person is lynched. On day one, the fifth player to vote for someone is what is known as the “hammer” vote. If you are the third or fourth voter, it is common and courteous to make this very explicitly clear (L-2, L-1 notation after your vote, preferably in bold and/or large letters).
If there are four votes on someone and you intend to be the fifth, you should state hammer intent. This gives the player you want to hammer a chance to make a final defense and potentially role claim. DO NOT hammer someone without giving them a chance to defend themselves and if necessary role claim.
If you are a vanilla townie, this is appropriate behavior because someone who seems suspicious or “off” may simply be a town PR (power role), and because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you lynched the next day.
If you are a town PR, this is appropriate behavior because you may end up hammering the OTHER town PR, and because hammering without caring for a claim is often a signal that YOU are a town PR, and because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you into a situation where you are forced to claim your role the next day.
If you are a mafia, this is appropriate behavior because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you lynched the next day.
If you are a vanilla townie who is up against hammer intent on you, DO NOT FAKE CLAIM. It is common for the actual town PR(s) to counter claim you, and that will allow the mafia the ability to kill the town PR at night. Defend yourself, but if you have to claim a role, do not lie.
If you are mafia who is up against hammer intent on you, do whatever you think will advance your win condition. This may be self-defense, or fake claiming a town power role, or may simply be claiming vanilla townie. Use your judgement about what will help your team the most.
For the town, lynching each day is essential, with very specific exceptions. Do not ever no lynch on day 1.


Spoiler: Scum-Hunting
Scum-hunting is hard! But even harder than scum-hunting is fake scum-hunting. If all town-aligned players invest into the game, and are truly trying to figure out who is and is not mafia, then it becomes massively harder for mafia players to blend in and either actively drive mislynches or sit back and watch town destroy itself; moreover, their insincere attempts to pretend to be trying to sort and solve players’ alignments stands out starkly against a town that is collectively engaged in sincere, energetic and aggressive attempts to find the mafia. If most to all town-aligned players are inactive, or lazy, or just choose to let someone else do the work, then it becomes much harder for town to win. Moreover, it’s simply a much more fun game when everyone is active and engaged.


Spoiler: Do Not Talk About Ongoing Games
Do not discuss ongoing games. This is an important aspect to site rules; as long as a different game is ongoing, it should be treated as if it doesn't even exist. For example, consider:
Subject: Newbie 1809 | Gentoo | Endgame

mhsmith0 wrote:Also a lesson about not posting about ongoing games...

(Pm sent to penguin)
mhsmith0 wrote:Subject: Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 867, fferyllt wrote:
In post 861, UnaBombaH wrote:I think MafiaScum might not be for me. GG to all.


I hope you'll give it another try. I watched your other game, and you replaced into a slot that was going to be nearly impossible to rehabilitate. Which was a problem for you here, too.

Maybe try playing from the start of a game next time, so you're not stuck with whatever problems another player created before being replaced.


Kind of a side thought, but I've been thinking about running a game in the micro queue sometime soon that could be a good transition from the newbie game format to something just a little more challenging.

I cant speak of ongoing games, but you could possibly find somewhere what happens when I finally get to start my own slot. It just might be that I die while sleeping because someone is bored. Im so frustrated with that specific possibility, that I will always be a townie to be lynched. It might be a newbie game problem, but people lynching just to fast forward to D2/D3 really grinds my gears.. :igmeou:


This post very strongly implies that the jackass who LOLhammered him in your game was town, and cabd is a backup mod in this game and an IC in yours. I don't know what optimal approach is, but you should be aware of it.


Bold/underline mine. That specific language very strongly implied creative was town because if creative was scum, why would it be anything other than good scum play to quicklynch and get away w it? This was something that got redacted QUICKLY by fferyllt (mod in other game) especially since rc and cabd were both involved in that game and could have seen the post.


Scum have the absolute right to not have their alignment revealed due to someone (especially someone who already has been told peoples' alignments) talking about the game in a public forum.
This is something this site takes VERY seriously.



Newbie Game Format
Spoiler: Newbies, SEs, and ICs
Players are split between newbies, semi-experienced players, and (typically) one inexperienced-challenged player.
Newbies are players who are, well, new. That does NOT necessarily mean that they are new to the game of mafia; they may simply be new to this site.
Semi-experienced players have met experience requirements and can generally be assumed to have some level of familiarity with the game mechanics, site meta, etc. Please note that SE players DO NOT have any particular obligations to be helpful or do anything beyond the obligations of any other player in a mafia game.
Inexperience-challenged players (ICs) are players who have met experience requirements that are more stringent than SE players and who DO have obligations beyond those standard to any player in a mafia game. In particular, IC players are bound by the standards as laid out in Being a Good IC.


Spoiler: The Setup
The current newbie game setup is 2d3. The most important things that you need to know are:
  1. There are seven town players and two mafia players.
  2. There are probably (but NOT definitely) two town power roles. Unlike matrix6, there are many different possible combinations of town power roles; for example, the existence of a cop does not prevent the existence of a tracker; nor does the existence of a jailkeeper prevent the existence of a doctor.
  3. There may (or may not) be a single mafia power role.
  4. Each possible combination of town power roles appears only once in the setup. This means that if a cop and neapolitan flip, then you know that all other town roles are vanilla townies, and that scum have a goon and a roleblocker. On the other hand, if a mafia goon and a cop flips, it is not public knowledge whether the setup is A1 (town neapolitan, mafia roleblocker), A3 (town doctor, mafia roleblocker), B1 (town tracker, mafia rolecop), or C1 (vanilla townie, mafia goon).
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:27 am

Role PM's have been sent out.

It is now Pregame.

Good luck everyone!
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:55 am

At least seven players have confirmed their role PM's.

It is now Day One.

Time to get busy lynching!

Good luck everyone!
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:43 am

Hello everyone!

What's your favorite color?

VOTE: RedFlavor

Am I doing this right?

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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:37 am

VOTE: Inferno

Burn, baby, burn.
Bipolar • ADHD • Call me Sunny • GTKAS
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:09 am

VOTE: sauljoker

Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:02 am

Ayo

VOTE: RedFlavor
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:41 am

I'm gonna vote Lil Uzi Vert because he still hasn't posted his IC post and thus must be refraining from doing that so the newbies can't catch him.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:40 am

Hey guys :)

What’s shaking?

VOTE: red

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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:08 pm

In post 8, RedFlavor wrote:Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:10 pm

@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?
simmy always cooks

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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:14 pm

And so it begins.
VOTE: Inferno390
Because inside jokes.
"Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
“Does anyone know if Inferno is prone to going of on huge tangents of twisted logic regarding basically alignment neutral posting? Asking for a friend ...”—MagnaofIllusion
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:15 pm

In post 12, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 8, RedFlavor wrote:Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

gosh I need to vote myself for that

VOTE: redflavor

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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:23 pm

SaulJoker wrote:Hello everyone!

What's your favorite color?

VOTE: RedFlavor

Am I doing this right?
Aviqf wrote:Ayo

VOTE: RedFlavor
sheepsaysmeep wrote:Hey guys :)

What’s shaking?

VOTE: red
RedFlavor wrote:
In post 12, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 8, RedFlavor wrote:Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

gosh I need to vote myself for that

VOTE: redflavor


DUDE
THIS IS L1
WHAT THE HECK
WE AREN'T EVEN OUT OF RVS YET
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“Does anyone know if Inferno is prone to going of on huge tangents of twisted logic regarding basically alignment neutral posting? Asking for a friend ...”—MagnaofIllusion
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:24 pm

DO NOT VOTE RED, HE IS ONE AWAY FROM BEING LYNCHED
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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:25 pm

Lil Uzi Vert still hasn't posted his IC post, keeping my vote on him until he's lynched.
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:39 pm

chillllllll

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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:39 pm

VOTE: red

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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:44 pm

In post 13, Aviqf wrote:@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?
simmy always cooks

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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:44 pm

UNVOTE: in case
inferno reaction seems natural

pedit does it look like an rvs vote

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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:47 pm

So based on the last 15+ posts alone, here are my thoughts.
A) Sunlit. Why? (That was rhetorical, don't answer that)
B) Saul, my favorite color is Yellow.
C)
Aviqf wrote:@Sheep was your vote in post 11 a RVS vote?

Yes it was an RVS vote. This is RVs. Why would you even ask that question?
D) Holy cow, the first L1 happened SANIC FAST.
E)
sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 8, RedFlavor wrote:Red is my color in this game and it is my favourite flavor, not color

this is a scumclaim
sheep me

i want to see 9 votes on red now

How is this a scumclaim?
F) The timing of this seems a little fishy. (Perhaps that's just me.) And Red wasn't that oblivious to his L2, was he? Could Red and Sheep be scumpartners doing a little RVS back and forth? Seems unlikely, considering this IS a Newbie game, but you never know...
G)Why would you RESTATE your vote, Sheep?

My conclusions are as follows:

readlist:
Spoiler: Inferno390's readlist
Neutral: Sunlit, Sunset, Creature, Lil, Saul
Slight scumlean: Aviqf (because of the weird question), Sheep, Red (because of the timing of that L1. I really don't like how fast that happened.)


As for voting:
VOTE: Sheep, becasue voting Red would hammer and be very scummy with us basically still in RVS.
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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:01 pm

In post 22, sheepsaysmeep wrote:UNVOTE: in case
inferno reaction seems natural

pedit does it look like an rvs vote

Can you please just be straight with me.. it’s a yes or no question, and you’re not helping town. So..
1. Was that a RVS vote?
2. Were you serious about the scumclaim?
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