Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

At the risk of being intentionally vague, you've done several things that I see as far more likely to come from you as town. If I'm wrong then I'll learn from the error but I don't think that I am.
I've hardclaimed PR, my slot is going to be self resolving whether there's a jailkeeper or not and I don't particularly feel like getting into details about how I read you because I don't think it's universally applicable enough to help other people read you and I would like to continue to be able to read you correctly in the future. I understand that makes it hard to read me, but again I don't think that reading me should be your top priority right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think it's universally applicable enough to help other people read you

This should read: I don't think that helping you understand how I'm townreading you would help you improve your scumgame because I don't think other people are looking for what I am.

[CultOfAthena]

I've hardclaimed PR, my slot is going to be self resolving whether there's a jailkeeper or not and I don't particularly feel like getting into details about how I read you because I don't think it's universally applicable enough to help other people read you and I would like to continue to be able to read you correctly in the future. I understand that makes it hard to read me, but again I don't think that reading me should be your top priority right now.

I recognize the point about the tracker self-resolving – the question mostly came from when you first replaced in.

[RadiantCowbells]

I had read this game before I replaced in but besides that I don't want to help you here.
If you want to talk about other people's alignments I'm all for it.

[CultOfAthena]

Thoughts on moneybags? Haven't really known how to place him this whole game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd like to hear more about your scum read on me, RC. A few other players have mentioned stuff but not a lot of specifics. Im aware that I'm not paticularly good at the game but I'd like to get some details.

I have also found him difficult to read but this post in particularly strongly reads to me as coming from town.
Part of it was just the phrasing, just generally feeling pure, and like just idk. It buoys up a lot of nullread.

[Beefster]

What would be the motivation for fake claiming? It just means that you're outed as scum sooner rather than later.

That's what makes it brilliant... Total WIFOM... but yeah, you're right. Fake claims will usually bite you in the ass eventually.

At the same time, what's the sense of hardclaiming a PR on D1 with almost no pressure on you? You're just going to get killed. It's not smart play.

I don't believe the claim... But I think I was hasty to jump on RC for it.

I haven't been thinking straight.

UNVOTE:

[Beefster]

At this point, I don't think it's possible for me to start from square one. My gut just seems to be pushing me in this weird direction.

I still think there is scum in RC, COA, and moz. Maybe all 3.

But you know what? I volunteer as tribute! Lynch me when you feel like it. I will flip Vanilla Town and my death will give a surprising amount of information.

Look, I've been playing very badly. I'm probably the town's biggest liability and yet a handful of players have defended my apparently scummy play. Thing is, scum probably wouldn't do that. They're going to go after the scummiest-looking players and

only

defend that sort of thing on their scum partners. Those who have defended my "scummiest" moments are probably town.

If this looks like a scum gambit to you, all the more reason to throw your vote at me. You'll see I have

no tricks up my sleeve

. I'm more valuable to the town dead because it confirms my alignment. Unless someone actually claims scum for some bizarre reason, I concede to being the best lynch option.

Will my accusations carry more weight after I'm confirmed town from a lynch? That remains to be seen, but my hope is "yes"

[Klick]

Beef, my problem is that I think you're town but I disagree with all of your reads. You being lynched won't help me at all.

But that probably won't matter anyway because Transcend seems hellbent on shooting me

[RadiantCowbells]

Beef I really don't want you alive if those are your reads regardless of what your alignment is. Call it a policy Lynch if it makes you feel better.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'd switch to voting EP if I had a reason but the faster I remove your vote from play the better right now.

[Beefster]

Beef, my problem is that I think you're town but I disagree with all of your reads. You being lynched won't help me at all.

But that probably won't matter anyway because Transcend seems hellbent on shooting me

I think he'd be better off shooting COA, but that's just me.

My being lynched would clear EP as far as I'm concerned... But maybe I'm missing something.

[Maxous]

Yeah I'm not voting Beefster

[Transcend]

jsyk HWS endgamed as scum not that long ago

are we all sure he's town ...

[Transcend]

im mistaken:

he made f3 lylo and got lynched


still though he survived a ~really long time~

[Thor665]

trying to think of anything more to say but meh.

here's just my gut reads and feelings, fuck it

I think they're town:

HeWhoSwims, Moneybags, Klick, Flubbernugget, CultOfAthena

Haven't had an issue with:

Errantparabola

Players i'm flip-flopping on:

mozamis, Beefster

Tracker claim:

Radiant Cowbells

Under Review:

Thor665, texcat

Probably just scum:

Transcend

What's the difference between 'haven't had an issue with' and 'under review'?

Fork, I would rather not be voting ErrantParabola today: how do you feel about Beef/Transcend?

You can also try to sway me on Flubber.

I've presented a case on Flubber - what's your take on it?

Why not vote EP? He is radiating scum.
Beef I town read.
Transcend now has the claim so.

jsyk HWS endgamed as scum not that long ago

are we all sure he's town ...

How does that affect this game in any way at all?

So I'm willing to hear out a town case on her, but "x's reaction to y" doesn't really sell me.

What would a town case be that is *not* x's reaction to y'?
That' like, every decent town case ever, yeah?

thor, out of those 4, who would be most willing to vote for?

Errant

[Thor665]

I'd also note to the person/people claiming that "I am?" is not a valid enough question.
Well, since then I have very explicitly and multiple times asked Flubber to answer the question - do you see his answer yet?

[HeWhoSwims]

Let's do some catching upping then. 5 pages overnight yay

RC who's Fork in your reads?

Idk if we should reason from "This is the best mechanical play" since scum may have some tricks up their sleeve for one particular combination. IC being in here seems reasonable too since it's not against the scum themselves. I can see scum pick the vig too in hopes it shoots town. Soooo now that I read the claim I guess there's 95% guarantee of an IC in this.

Well, although I was scumlean on the slot before - the claim makes sense and essentially amounts to Transcend being conftown. Scum!Cend would either be shot point blank by the actual vig, or be killed D2 by the lack of a second kill. No dubious claims or WIFOM there, don't see why Transcend as scum would think this makes sense.

So moz what exactly is your rant/distrust here all about...? Can you seriously see a scum doing the above? That would be bordering gamethrowing, no?

RC why in 558 is your townread on Cult so strong

Now that I see Klick mention it, Transcend why didn't you explain the reads. Like yeah I'm treating you as conftown but most of your posts haven't been as big of a contribution as would be best for town from an outed PR.

I need to read Beef closer I guess. He's throwing me for a loop. Should do the same for Klick. COA needs to reply but I think I saw she did further down the thread. No big fan of recent tex posts either.

oooo I like 622. That's a catch on Beef copying. That's certainly suspicious.

Maxous. What are your arguments for not voting Beefster? What did you think of what Coa said in 622?

And yes I was in that game as scum. Finished 2 days ago. Interestingly Beef was one of my scumpartners actually. But you and most others here have certainly also rolled scum, no?

[Flubbernugget]

Beginning a catch up now

The tldr is probably going to be:

-> Transcend not doing anything, making PP's original tunnel on thor look scum motivated
-> Thor ignoring my issue of him treating players asymmetrically by flapping his arms and saying I don't have a meta case on him

[Flubbernugget]

As of page 19 my predictions are true and RCs claim is bathed in wifom and wasting time at best.

[Flubbernugget]

Caught up to 22

Maxous is coasting.

RC, what's with the unconfident reads list?

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry, am I supposed to have the game solved already and be 100% confident in all my reads just because?

[Flubbernugget]

I guess unconfident is a bad word

But it makes it look like you're not paying much attention to solving the game

[Flubbernugget]

If Moz is scum he's a mastermind.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Flubbernugget]

oh yeah and this is what happens when you don't give me a few days to figure out my reads and instead force me to half bake content, you get reads that fly all over the place while I'm still rereading the game.

I hope you all learned your lesson

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