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VOTE: James Brafin

Because I remember you, but I don’t know where from.

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Apparently you can't read your own posts.

Looks like two’s got that Dunker fire.

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If people are scummy there's nothing wrong with that.

What’s the point in even playing mafia if there’s nothing wrong with being scummy? The point is to find scummy people, and kill them off.

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Also I won't play mad libs with this because at this point I'm going to bed.

I really don't care to do shit like this because it's unproductive for town. All it does is make you seem scummy to me because you would rather act and have people interpret your actions rather than explain your reasonings.

Why is it unproductive for town? I tend to think there’s a lot of productive things that come out of 1v1’s of the like, especially seeing what sides people take on everything, and who pushes behind the scenes.

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128 is bad...

I’m gonna make a lot of bad posts. Get used to it early, less headaches later.

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I kind of agree, but day 1 people grasping at straws is normal.

I don’t like this. I wasn’t even grasping at straws. There were no straws to grasp for. I was commenting on a post you made. Why did you assume I was calling it scummy? I wasn’t. I didn’t get any sort of read from that post on you.

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You literally said ‘if people are scummy, there’s nothing wrong with that’.

Am I being punk’d? Is it 2004 again?

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Regardless, it wasn’t an attack. I made the laughing face. It was a humorous comment to me. I have experience with you, Two. I by all means can see you making that comment as town just as easily as if you would make it as scum, if not Moreno likely.

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You literally said ‘if people are scummy, there’s nothing wrong with that’.

Am I being punk’d? Is it 2004 again?

yo I got what he meant

"if people are scummy, there's nothing wrong with [sheeping another person's vote onto said scummy person]"

I get what he apparently meant now, but I don’t think it was wrong of me to read it the way i did either.

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Except for the fact that it was a false interpretation.

No, it was not. I was not the only one to interpret it the way I did, and the fact that you state it as a ‘false interpretation’ means you believe/know my post to be an interpretation.

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I believe he just confirmed me as town.

VOTE: smocaine

That was a sneaky perspective slip.

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It was a typo I meant if the people they are lynching are scummy there's nothing wrong with that. I was probably phone posting.

And this post shows that even Two realizes where she could have misphrased it, so it was an attack for the sake of attacking and pushing.

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Nope

PEdit: Not in responses to Transcend.

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@Transcend - why haven’t you commented on Creature yet? You generally always do; I’ve grown to pair you two up in my head even.

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SMOCAINE
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM WITH BEING WRONG

Did I vote him or imply I was voting him? No, but you can't just be like, "I was wrong, but I still stand that I wasn't wrong." And then go on to vote anyone else who points out how that's wrong. Who does that?

Oh, now it looks like you’re doing the same thing, haha.

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like i'm not really sure why you wanted my feedback on 12 NAI creature posts

I was playing around. I know it’s early.

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Loaded Questions, fun party game. I have three versions of it in my closet.

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I really don't get how the role is that useful :/. It feels like a lot of blind faith is put into believing a claim early or just being a mislynch later.

Why are you voting Gamma?

Certain setups make use of it really well. Assemblerotws just had a great use of miller in his game.

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I feel like million will become obvious after a flip or two. I'd also feel pretty bad d1 mislynching the guy.

I agree that Million's alignment is likely to become obvious later in the game. I haven't read the past few pages. Been workin', so hard, i'm punching, my card, 12 hours, for what.

anywho, yeah, I'll give this game the time it needs soon.

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So I'm busy working on my crowdfunding campaign all day today, and tomorrow I'm meeting for my web/tv series thing I'm creating, and unfortunately this game took the blunt of my business. I'll catch up when I can, and hopefully make a nice big post. I may occasionally respond to whatever page I'm on without reading the middle stuff.

James post up there is understandably scummy, but I wouldn't put it past James to make that comment as town.

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also a thing I noticed a few pages back and meant to say, Gamma Emerald was scum reading Hawk, yet chose to vote the same place as Hawk earlier? Am I wrong that this happened? I'll check up in a bit, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not mistaken.

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what?

Your vote on transcend was bad but at the exact same moment I pointed it out, you unvoted

Honestly, I don't get this. Are you saying him unvoting at the same time you tried to call him out on it makes him look worse, if so, that's stupid.

considering Mulch said froggy's probably town afterwards, I imagine this is the opposite.

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@Mulch - Chara is seeming a lot with James like how I was with Assemble in that one Large game when you were pushing Assemble.

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I don't think it's James' fault or anything. It's just how he projects his thoughts.

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I think James was just easily impressionable by Froggy pushing the transcend slip. Maybe he sees Froggy as high status.

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I've been ignoring my real work, and reading up here.

I didn't like Hawk's sheeping of Frog, and Transcend's been on a roll lately, so I might play the hawk game, and sheep Transcend.

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VOTE: smocaine

oh, well...I'm already here. What do I do now after I just posted that sheeping of Tranny comment?

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I will never be opposed to lynching a miller, just saying. As Transcend posted earlier of games I was involved with with a miller, there's too many miller gambits going around.

Tchill, Something Smart, and I were almost part of another weird miller gambit in Assemble's games.

I'll stay on Smocaine, though. If a Hawk wagon goes, I'll hammer.

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I will never be opposed to lynching a miller, just saying. As Transcend posted earlier of games I was involved with with a miller, there's too many miller gambits going around.

Tchill, Something Smart, and I were almost part of another weird miller gambit in Assemble's games.

I'll stay on Smocaine, though. If a Hawk wagon goes, I'll hammer.

I think this is pretty shallow given hawk's almost surely noob-ness WRT millers.

I don't personally feel like it's that hard to fake. We don't have to lynch him, but if you check my track record with Millers, you'll see why I can never trust millers in my life again.

I'm not necessarily even thinking he won't flip miller, to be honest.

But as I say before, I don't really care about Day 1's, and if I'm done with the day, I'll lynch a town read to further the game. I've ended up hitting scum from being super wrong before, haha.

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I will never be opposed to lynching a miller, just saying. As Transcend posted earlier of games I was involved with with a miller, there's too many miller gambits going around.

Tchill, Something Smart, and I were almost part of another weird miller gambit in Assemble's games.

I'll stay on Smocaine, though. If a Hawk wagon goes, I'll hammer.

I think this is pretty shallow given hawk's almost surely noob-ness WRT millers.

I'm just saying, if I was on a hidden alt account, I could definitely fake noobness enough to make people say this about me. I like to give people, especially newer people, credit until I see a game or two from them to let me know how they are.

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I'm going to stop talking now...

I'm starting to scum read myself...

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just a heads up: i don't personally get offended being called "Tranny" but I know for a fact certain people in this game do so I reckon you refrain from doing it.

Oh, that was me impulsively adding "y" to people's names. I do it with Mulchy, Froggy, and most people. I apologize for that. Didn't even realize that was being brought up because of my post until I just reread.

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So I'm busy working on my crowdfunding campaign all day today, and tomorrow I'm meeting for my web/tv series thing I'm creating, and unfortunately this game took the blunt of my business. I'll catch up when I can, and hopefully make a nice big post. I may occasionally respond to whatever page I'm on without reading the middle stuff.

James post up there is understandably scummy, but I wouldn't put it past James to make that comment as town.

I've been ignoring my real work, and reading up here.

I didn't like Hawk's sheeping of Frog, and Transcend's been on a roll lately, so I might play the hawk game, and sheep Transcend.

I'm going to stop talking now...

I'm starting to scum read myself...

Pretty sure I’ve been posting here too, despite saying that I wasn’t going to be involved this game as it’s the game that took the blunt. I have a lot stuff going on right now, on site and off site.

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I see FL is posting in other games and not here and I have seen him lurk as scum(and use excuses as a reason for lurking).

Lurking isn’t AI on my part. I’ve literally had games where I didn’t do a single thing as town until a day 4’s and I’ve been scum where I’m by far the most talkative player, so I don’t understand what your comment as “i have seen him lurk as scum”.

I’ve literally done basically everything as scum.

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Well than basically I guess should just give up.

No, but don’t use arguments that are the epitome of NAI as a means to try and shade someone.

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lurking is not NAI in general, even if it is NAI for said player, that doesn't mean it's not worth looking into.

In the sense of posting elsewhere, when I had specifically already explained that I wasn’t going to be giving this game as much attention as I would like, and while I had actually been posting today even, multiple times, and my last post literally was “I’m going to stop talking now”

It is absolutely not worth looking into.

VOTE: Two

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Like your post was the epitome of trying to get people interested in another mislynch outside of your scum reads list, and shows you didn’t even read the game yet tried passing it off as you did. At least I explained I hadn’t read the game and wasn’t pushing people without reading.

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OMGUS much?

How is it OMGUS? You made a terrible push to try and get people interested in a place you weren’t even scum reading.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

I’m not hypersensitive scum; I’m hypersensitive town.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

Absolutely no reason to vote? I literally explained why I voted you. You are pushing a direct contradiction. I literally had explained my reasoning for not being here, and yet I was here, and my last post stated I was going to stop talking.

How is any of this no reason? You are the one who has absolutely no reason.

You are scum or ignorant as hell town, which is it?

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I'm quite aware that my scum reads might not be scum this early in the game. So it's worthwhile to push more than 3 spots.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

This is the OMGUS. I called you out on a post that wasn’t Legit scummy as fuck.

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Try something else? Idk that sounds kinda scummy 2iam

Even Gamma here stayed you were sounding scummy, so get the hell outta here with your “absolutely no reason”.


I hope to god you are scum, because if you aren’t, then it shows you just aren’t learning anything game after game.

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Sticks and stones...

you're saying you are town but you are not acting like town.

I’m not acting like town because I’m pushing something I think is scum?

Why shouldn’t I think you are scum after that terribleness post of yours? Explain. I’ve explained why I thought it was scummy. How is that “absolutely no reason”? You are pushing me because I voted you. I am pushing you because I saw your post as opportunistic and scummy. If you are town, you need to convince me that, because you have absolutely zero reason to be voting me, not the other way around.

You are scum or ignorant as hell town.

Which is it?

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And how am I not acting like town? Hmm? I’m pushing the contradictions and the flat out incorrectness of your posts that I see scummy? How is that not acting like town? Even if I was scum, I would say I’m doing the townie thing. PUSHING SCUM READS AND EXPLAINING MY THOUGHTS. You are not.

So you are scum or ignorant town. Which is it?

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OMGUS much?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

I'm quite aware that my scum reads might not be scum this early in the game. So it's worthwhile to push more than 3 spots.

Sticks and stones...

you're saying you are town but you are not acting like town.

Which of these is your reasoning then? The absolutely no reason to vote you is moot since I explained what reason there is to vote you, even if you are just ignorant town, there was still reason for me to vote you because guess what?!?! I NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU ARE SCUM OR JUST IGNORANT TOWN.

The posting in other games isn’t moot because of the quotes I quoted on the last page and them just proving that you absolutely didn’t even read the game.

So are you scum or ignorant town. Show me.

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I'm quite aware that my scum reads might not be scum this early in the game. So it's worthwhile to push more than 3 spots.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

There was absolutely no reason to vote in that situation except he is hypersensitive scum.

This is the OMGUS. I called you out on a post that wasn’t Legit scummy as fuck.

*was

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Flavor Leaf behaving like a 10 year old is not something I am used to seeing so I am not inclinded to change my vote at this point

Ask anyone else here. I behave like a 10 year old all the time.

But you have no case here, and I have explained my read on you and Why. You’re scum or ignorant town. No in between.

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Why did Chara backtrack on their read on James?

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VOTE: Smocaine
i have to love the Yankee wagon. not because i think he's scum, but still.
Flavor/Smocaine are both at the bottom of my list. is Flavor usually this unbearably awkward?

Nah. I’m just not keeping up with this game.

I’m super confident in posts, and I’ll get there eventually when something gets me invested here.

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Why did Chara backtrack on their read on James?

i really do love referring to changing a read as a "backtrack". why aren't you asking me this question, and instead asking others? it's the definition of shade. :>
found the second scum?

I’m not trying to shade, I was actually wondering what the reason was.

I found it. You went back and changed it. That’s fine. I wasn’t legit just curious because I missed something.

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*was

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I’m forcing myself to be invested in this game. I’ll likely replace out if I keep dismissing this game.

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^scum...no reason to be invested less in this game than another.

I disagree. My other games don’t have you in them.

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You vote me regardless of alignment every single game for logically incorrect reasons, and I just don’t care to play with people who flat out don’t listen to logic in that sense because no matter what I do, across multiple games, it’s just not worth playing. RC did that to me every single game we played and was convinced I was scum every single time. Most
Of the time, I wasn’t.

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^scum...no reason to be invested less in this game than another.

I disagree. My other games don’t have you in them.

What he means is, he's not being scumread in other games. AtE much?

This is actually the game I have the least going on, but let’s not get into that.

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I’m not trying to shade, I was actually wondering what the reason was.

I found it. You went back and changed it. That’s fine. I wasn’t legit just curious because I missed something.

huh, i actually was not expecting this answer.

but what is it that you found? you were curious about my read change, and missed a post on it?

I hadn’t read very clearly the past like three days in this thread, so i missed a lot of posts. I asked a question, then i went and looked at it. So yeah, I missed the post, but I think I missed a few pages.

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I’m ignoring you because it’s pointless to converse with you. There was that game you and I were both basically conf town, and I still wanted to lynch you to get you out of the game. That was actually a rather good game for both of us after a bit.

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Hell no

Nothing about that sequence of posts points to him being town

actually, you're right. i rescind my conditional townpoints.
VOTE: James
will someone answer me about Flavor? i think that's my best scumread.

I imagine around this exchange you went back and reconsidered things.

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I just lose interest in games that have people that are going to vote me no matter what i do without logic no matter my alignment.

Two, RC, Dunker, etc.

Pointless and nothing I can do to convince them, so why bother?

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Why are you scumreading me? He's totally ignoring this game for no apparent good reason. And when he does post he says stupid stuff like "you're ignorant town" and "I'm going to replace out".

unless you have convincing meta that tells me Flavor doesn't like playing scum, avoiding a game in particular is not AI. there are reasons to dislike a game environment, pushing it as just scum is bad and your spins on it aren't helping.

you two obviously have an issue that goes beyond this game, which doesn't help things.

I have meta that shows otherwise, if you’d like me to link my scum games. I’m a scum mastermind type who is more active as scum than town.

That being said, I have lurked as scum before, obviously, I try everything as scum. I love different play styles and different gambits, i love gambits in general.

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I imagine around this exchange you went back and reconsidered things.

thank you for the answer.

Yeah, you stated a scum read on me, but were considering the possibility you were wrong. I can work with that. I don’t mind being scum read. I’ll do my best to try and get others to town read me. I’ll give what I’m asked of.

Two just tunnels aimlessly, and there’s nothing I can do to convince him he’s wrong, so it’s not worth the effort on my part, if that makes sense.

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How so? Seems like all you got is a lurk reasoning, and a crap salty reason of me voting you when I’ve explained why I thought it was scummy of you.

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In which Gamma also stated that what you said was scummy, so that’s a crap point too.

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Lurk reasoning is good reasoning when you have a normaly active player that you have seen lurk as scum before. You're just attacking the attacker.

And you’ve also seen me active as fuck as scum, so whydoes that matter? I’ve been inactive as town before, why does that matter? It’s Day1. I openly say I don’t give a fuck about Day 1’s. I’ve literally had games where I have like 10 posts by Day 4. (Exaggerating a bit)

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I've townread you before FL so it's not like I'm scumreading you for the sake of scumreading you and not listening to logic. You're acting scummy, plain and simple, and are responding by saying it's not NAI because you do everything as scum. That's terrible logic and something you can say to anyone who scumreads you at any time.

I believe you have only town read me once, and it was when I was scum.

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Or conf town.

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I could be wrong, but i don’t think there’s been a single game where you haven’t scum read me.

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I'm not the only one scumreading you, dear. You're attacking me because you think I'm low hanging fruit.n You're the one that says "you do everything as scum", so you can't blame people for scumreading you if you are acting scummy.

You’re only low hanging fruit if you are town.

Sure, Can’t blame people for scum reading me for actual reasons.

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My reasoning is he's lurking and I've seen him do that as scum recently. If he says he does everything as scum so that means it's not scummy, then that tells me he cares more about meta building than scumhunting which is inherently scummy.

Where have I done this recently? My last few scum games I’ve been incredibly active. This is a lie.

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I’m also only 8 posts behind you, and am solidly in the middle of the pact for post count, so it’s seriously a crap point.

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I also post multiple times everyday despite having multiple other games and in real life work. How is that possibly lurking?

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I’m not invested in this game not care about it too much because I dislike dealing with player and like you.

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Hey, guy. Falling a bit behind with my web series thing, work, and team mafia. My Flavor Leaf account has taken a back burner past few days, and when i get on, i try to play my IC game.

I might have a lot of down time on set tomorrow, so I’ll attempt a big post.

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Fuck me up, I’m going hard tonight! Be ready!

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I’m so sorry, guys. If I can’t catch up tonight or tomorrow, I’ll replace out. Been getting a lot of last minute work in the city.

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from post timing, i was assuming trans was telling me to stop questioning you

but if he's saying to not hammer creature then.... ok whatever

it's not a trick question. yes or no, do you believe FL is likely to be lynched today?

He does this every game.

Two pushed me for crappy NAI reasons, which I had explained I was going to be inactive, and that’s literally the only thing he scum read me for. He’s not even looking for people to lynch elsewise. He’s staying on me to make it look like he’s doing something. TownTwo would at least go elsewhere with persuasion, yet still be persistent on me whilst not on me.

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Transcend is town.
Antihero is town.
Fitz is town.
James is weird.
Two is scum.
Gamma stop white knighting me.
Creature could go either way, but it depends if Gamma is scum or not. If Gamma scum, Creature probably town.
Hawk is meh.

For the last three, i don’t have strong reads on right now, just quickly went over everything.
Froggy and Mulch probably town.
Smocking probably scum.

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And apparently I forgot about Chara.

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VOTE: Creature we finally pushing This?

Also I am so glad fitz is town. Smocaine case looks good.

Why’d you end up going Creature here if you think the Smocaine case looks good enough to make you town read Fitz?

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I haven't white knighted you for a while.....? What's the problem?

It weirded me out. I skimmed real fast, and I meant to say that a long time ago.

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I haven't white knighted you for a while.....? What's the problem?

Wait, he just admitted he was white knighting me...-.-

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Unofficial Vote Count

Creature (4): Antihero, Gamma Emerald, Fro99er, Hawk
Gamma Emerald (3): Mulch, Chara, Transcend
havingfitz (1): Smocaine
Transcend (1): James Brafin
Flavor Leaf (1): TwoInAMillion
TwoInAMillion (1): Flavor Leaf
Smocaine (1): havingfitz

Not Voting (1): Creature

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Creature is very much valid guys

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Why quote this? It’s on the previous page.

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@FL: I've looked elsewhere. It doesn't mean I think you're less scummy.

No, you’re reasonings did, though. You only pushed explained things that even if they weren’t explained prior would be NAI. Yet to see a single reason. This is why I see that you are scum. You are just pushing to make it look like you are doing something.

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White knighting is when scum protects a townie to look like a knight in shining armor to them.

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I've played with 2in10 before, and this is incredibly untownie behavior for him.

citation plz

I also agree with James there. He’s always a little stubborn, but he’s usually able to be persuaded. Even when I was scum and he thought I was scum. When we were both town, I wanted to policy him but while he scum read me, he even let me leash him as a vigilante. He actually gave reasoning, and explained rather than just pushed.

This is scum Two.

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GammaisObvtown, James is obvtown, Mulch is , Chara is obvtown, FL and Transcend are scum, everyone else is up in the ari.

You think Gamma and Chara are “obvtown” yet think Transcend is scummy? Okay.

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Explain your Transcend read, please.

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Transcend is obviously shitposting. A lot, which makes me even more sure he's scum. He's contributed nothing to town this game, something I've said repeatedly, and keeps deathtunneling me, trying to get me lynched.

he's trying to lynch Gamma now.
shitposting is NAI.
you're looking at this too simply, i think. if you're town, which i lean towards.

This part of James’ post is a little scummy if Froggy or him end up being scum, but I don’t actually think that’s the case nor do I want to look into that. I just want it to be remembered that it’s a thing if one of them end up flipping, specifically Froggy, as a scum Neo, which nearly is identical to a Vanilla cop. Town Neo is not.

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Explain your Transcend read, please.

Don't like his joke fake claims mostly.

I can literally link you to games where Transcend is town fake claiming stuff. I’m sure you know this is a thing that is NAI.

Do you have any sort of read that isn’t NAI?

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ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

Why are you more worried about what you look like than finding scum?

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Because scumTranscend townGamma makes more sense than TownTranscend ScumGamma. I've seen Transcend fakeclaim as town but it was extremely anti-town play and I don't think he would do it again as a rule unless he is playing against his win condition.

He literally fake claimed a guilty on a recent game as town to the point everyone knew he was faking it but followed anyways.

Transcend was straight up fire that game.

Why would he not do it again? Transcend might do some anti-town things, but it’s not like he doesn’t play to win. I feel like you know this. You’ve seen him fake claim as town. He gambits and gets reads that way.

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ok let's try this

do you or do you not agree with the statement that it would be better to lynch one of your nulls read than gamma?

I do agree with that, but I think there's a high probability of a green flip which would make me look scum later on.

being on a mislynch doesn't make you look like scum

sitting on your ass while one of your two strongest professed "townreads" gets lynched DOES make you look like scum tho

Well if it's a damned if i do damned if I don't scenario there's not much I can do about that. I'm going to lynch my scumreads not null reads or townreads unless someone presents a really good case.

So you want to sit and wait around to let other people do the work and not present a “really good case” yourself? You literally have NAI, and if anything, your Transcend reasoning makes me town read him more.

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Well if it's a damned if i do damned if I don't scenario there's not much I can do about that.

no idea where you would get this but ...ok

now on to part 2 of the question

are you AWARE that as things stand, creature or gamma are more likely to be lynched than trans or FL?

For reasons that are much better than the nonexistent ones of yours.

I feel like two is intentionally blocking out the game, if that makes sense.

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@Anti - what’s the Creature case? Just that he’s being a little weird? Not totally against that as a reasoning, but that’s what I’ve picked up on. That he’s just off compared to usual.

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@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

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I’m so sick of being pointlessly pushed for no reason in games, and when I try to help people read me, it doesn’t matter. People are just unwilling.

Mulch gets what I’m saying, probably.

Damn, Two gets me worked up for some reason every time.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s also really annoying how Two actively avoids questions.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm trying to be more of a leader than a follower. I get that people are resistant to that but I think I'm better than I get credit for. If I take the back seat and do what everyone else wants and then town loses the game that doesn't get us anywhere.

Why would anyone follow your lead when you avoid questions and have completely no case for anything? Literally every single point you make has no actual merit to it because you push NAI as scummy, then don’t care after it’s explained that that’s nothing. You keep it as a reason.

[Flavor Leaf]

You don’t push play, Two. You push personality, which is the epitome of NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

And then you push everything anyone says away and change the subject to nothingness basically.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm trying to be more of a leader than a follower.

given that no one is following you, you're failing at this

Obviously. But it's not going to stop me from trying and my cases aren't any worse than anyone elses. If I'm forced to compromise at the end of the day I may do that but it's a little early for that imho.

Yes. They are. You have no cases.

Actually, go.

Explain your cases. In one post, one paragraph each.

[Flavor Leaf]

My reasoning is he's lurking and I've seen him do that as scum recently. If he says he does everything as scum so that means it's not scummy, then that tells me he cares more about meta building than scumhunting which is inherently scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

You don’t push play, Two. You push personality, which is the epitome of NAI.

That's not true. I'm just of the opinion that most day 1 activity is pretty worthless as far as indicating alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

My reasoning is he's lurking and I've seen him do that as scum recently. If he says he does everything as scum so that means it's not scummy, then that tells me he cares more about meta building than scumhunting which is inherently scummy.

You don’t push play, Two. You push personality, which is the epitome of NAI.

That's not true. I'm just of the opinion that most day 1 activity is pretty worthless as far as indicating alignment.

I want this on a fresh page, by the way. This was Two’s entire reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

1. Two actively avoids people’s questions. Anti and I have repeated questions multiple times, and he’s posted onwards after.

2. He contradicted himself when speaking of the activity day 1 thing, which was the entire merit of his original case on me was activity based.

3. He only pushes on personality and NAI things, and refuses to explain.

4. He stays away from any of the actual wagons, and keeping himself busy to make it look like he is doing something.

5. He is worried about “looking scummy” more than scum hunting.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

I get what you're saying, FL. I just think you could do a little less tunneling and a little more townbuilding.

You are tunneled more than I am. I just put my reads list out, and am explaining exactly why I think you are scum. You are doing absolutely nothing, and avoiding making a case, avoiding any sort of questions.

If you are town, one of the main goals is to help other people read you, which you refuse to do.

[Flavor Leaf]

I get what you're saying, FL. I just think you could do a little less tunneling and a little more townbuilding.

This shows he sees me as town, by the way. He even understands what I’m saying. He’s just focused on survival and doesn’t care about scum hunting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Two is scum, one of his buddies is likely Creature or Gamma, and then another probably is on one of the wagons.

[Flavor Leaf]

Two is not scum

Fuck off with that noise and vote gamma

There's competing wagons and there's so much resistance to both

At least one is scum.

Two is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Literally contradicting himself left and right.

[Flavor Leaf]

Avoiding questions. Worried about survival over scum hunting. Not making questions. What is town about Two?

[Flavor Leaf]

Not making cases*

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Note moving my vote the rest of the day.

I get what you're saying, FL. I just think you could do a little less tunneling and a little more townbuilding.

Get out of here with that tunnel crap.

[Flavor Leaf]

havingfitz (1): Smocaine
Transcend (1): James Brafin
Smocaine (1): havingfitz

Stop this shit.

Boon: town contradict themselves all the time.

Sure, but there’s much more than just town contraidcting himself. He’s refusing to answer questions. He’s refusing to acknowledge his NAI scum reads, which you are included in, by the way. He’s pushing for reasons that he explicily stated he sees as NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well if it's a damned if i do damned if I don't scenario there's not much I can do about that.

no idea where you would get this but ...ok

now on to part 2 of the question

are you AWARE that as things stand, creature or gamma are more likely to be lynched than trans or FL?

Also, Antihero asked this at least 4 times to you.

You missed 9 posts is what you’re saying?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes all that because he's bad Lynchbait town

He's done other things this game that make him blatant town

Like?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes all that because he's bad Lynchbait town

He's done other things this game that make him blatant town

This is exactly how I started to go on my big scum streak. I would play the village idiot card until I couldn’t anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

calling bull shit on the miller claim

Scum tend to reflexively trust those. They know They're town So they trust the claim

Calling crap on my scummy posts because i know i was being scummy Lol

Reflexively trust those? They know them to be true. I literally just had a game where Tchill hard pushed a miller claim Day 1 on a strong player and got away with it as scum. It’s infinitely better as scum to push those miller claims. I don’t see that as town. I see that as maybe a you thing.

You were being scummy, sure, but you were still obv town.

Also, when did Two call bull shit on the miller claim? Was it after you?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m okay with Smocaine.

I swear, Mulch. I thought you were going to say me, and I was about to rail you down for 50 pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

Smocaine isn’t my strongest scum lean, and mulch isn’t my strongest town lean, but I’ll hammer Smocaine. How’s that?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m okay with Smocaine.

I swear, Mulch. I thought you were going to say me, and I was about to rail you down for 50 pages.

No, I make it a policy not to sort you day 1

I feel this should generally be the case with me. You probably see the same that I do it with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma is a dumb lynch

Creature is an ~ok~ lynch

This is the best lynch

I don’t think Gamma’s a “dumb” lynch. His white knighting of me hard gave me the heebie jeebies.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mulch presents a good case on Smocaine.

Gamma is a dumb lynch

Creature is an ~ok~ lynch

This is the best lynch

I don’t think Gamma’s a “dumb” lynch. His white knighting of me hard gave me the heebie jeebies.

Check out his scum games

That turbo I played in the other day he was scum. I don’t see any reason for him to WK like that as town, but that’s really the only scum thing I have so far.

Maybe he expected me to protect him back. I think Gamma can sort me pretty well. Not really sure. My main game with him I remember was a micro where NewWhyMafia pulled on even over on us.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote Two’s thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man someone sheep me for once

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It's also incredibly suspicious alone that they are townreading me

I don't understand that and I think it's wolfy

I typically like to town read you until I have a reason not to.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is more of principle than anything. Shows he doesn’t read the game or he actively ignores.

Either way, it’s bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll stop it when it’s answered.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I'm gonna do the same thing that my 11 year old does when he annoys me, ignore him.

@Two - what do you want me to do to show you that I am town? This has been a thing I’ve been trying to add to my game because there’s a lot of annoying and stubborn pointless pushes people do that no matter what the person does, it’s not going to change the read, which is horrible. People should always be reevaluating their reads, especially if they can’t even explain them.

I repeat, @Two.

I also repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

I repeat, @Two.

Well, looks like it’s continuing.

I repeat, @Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I'm gonna do the same thing that my 11 year old does when he annoys me, ignore him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can I go inactive until Day 3 or Day 4 now?

My reads are best around that time. I believe I’ve shown that, especially in the game I had under 10 posts by Day 4

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said, it’s the principle.

[Flavor Leaf]

He ignored Antihero’s question like 5 times as well, so I was already annoyed.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want people to be as annoyed as I am.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you guys getting there yet?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll hammer him, don’t worry. I’ll sheep. I’ll sheep.

[Flavor Leaf]

what's the count at? i want to vote Smocaine.

No you don't

You want to go home and rethink your life.

[Flavor Leaf]

Zzz

I was continuing your train of thought to Chara, not telling you that.

[Flavor Leaf]

For clarification, in case my Star Wars reference with it didn’t come across.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did someone say L-1?

VOTE: Smocaine

[Flavor Leaf]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

TwoInAMillion?

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t need a guilty for that one. I could have told you that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I never use my outside stuff as an ‘excuse to lurk’, my outside stuff is the reason I dont keep up or have anything to say. I do it as both alignments. If I’m in a game and caught up, I’m going to play regardless of alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also why does “experienced scum team” automatically make you think me? There’s plenty of strong players here, who even if scum isn’t their favorite, can play a strong scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

All I can say is i've seen boon use outside excuses to lurk as scum. Not saying that's what's happening today.

So what are you saying? What are your reasonings?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: fitz

And I do suspect Flavor more today than I did yesterday.

Why?

I didn't care for his hammer so he is more suspect imo than he was yesterday.

I'm town btw. Please remove your head from your posterior and look for scum if you're town.

TIAM...that hop on me following fro99er was bad.

I literally explained in the day if I jump on the wagon, I would be the hammer. Also, people were going “vote him vote him vote him!”

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like Fitz and FL are giving a "I'm town because I'm town" argument.

K, then you don’t read. I’m explaining literally everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like Fitz and FL are giving a "I'm town because I'm town" argument.

K, then you don’t read. I’m explaining literally everything.

You're literally doing no scumhunting just whining.

Nope. Just facts. What did I whine about? All i stated was I’ve explained everything, which I have. I’ve already found scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

then creature fitz one of FL/mulchy/chara/2iam GG?

I can't see gamma and fitz as scumbuddies. Probably chara or FL I guess. Mulchy seems town to me. I guess brafin is just loltown

It’s chara or Two.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's clear by anti knowing the scum team not being creature - fitz - brafin that they are not anti's guilty

it's also not gamma

I'm town

anti has the guilty

hawk is miller claim, not vanilla, and wouldn't be cop checked (but could be watcher/tracker guiltied I guess, but I'm gonna discount this given my result)


so the guilty is in mulchy/2iam/FL/chara

[Flavor Leaf]

@Chara - what are your thoughts on you being guiltied? It seems as if you are pushing he conversation a bit elsewhere to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would have killed Two and played a “two was targeting me and was seen as town by most people. Someone killed him to frame me!” card if you want some more WIFOM.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you think I'm lying about my meta, then LOL

I have no reason to lie about my meta as either alignment.

Froggy has a similar self meta style as I do. Neither of us generally lie about our self meta, and we self meta as both alignments. Facts, always the facts.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am always suspicious of anyone who self metas.

That’s fine.

I literally self meta every game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think your play should indicate if you are town or scum not what a player says about his own meta.

I’m pretty sure other people would agree with my self meta too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would have killed Two and played a “two was targeting me and was seen as town by most people. Someone killed him to frame me!” card if you want some more WIFOM.

it's funny because Gamma.

This is only funny after my green flip and Gamma was trying to get town cred as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am always suspicious of anyone who self metas.

ha

I’m suspicious of players who don’t do anything and tunnel while not doing anything or having any actual reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

come on fitz, you know better than that. nobody implied we're letting FL coast off a hammer.

I said I suspected FL today more than I did yesterday because of his hammer.
You said his hammer was NAI.
That tells me you are not even considering his hammer on the Smoc mislynch. I disagree...all the votes on Smoc are worth consideration to some degree. And I lean against giving null or towncred for it.

It’s completely NAI. And that’s me saying that thinking it’s actually townier of me when I hammer.

I’m saying I think it’s actually townier because I had literally stated I would join the wagon, but I wanted to be the hammer.

Like...go look. I was being pressured as joining, and people wanted me on the wagon, I said I would hammer.

Guess what? I did what I said. This is scummy of you. I’ve already stated this. It’s not that 8mm saying I should get town read from hammering, it’s the fact you said the exact same thing after I clearly explained it. Yesterday, and reiterated today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say L-1?

Is literally my catchphrase.

[Flavor Leaf]

Antihero, can i vote Chara now?

Chara, fitz, Two is probably the scum team. Transcend was the only other scum read by Two, so now he just gets to focus on me, and now Fitz is pairing up with that line of thought.

[Flavor Leaf]

a guilty?

who do you think it's on?

Flavor?

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ya know......

i kinda think fitz named the lower hanging fruit buddy here and just whiffed on which one actually got caught

i don't rly have anything to support that instinct tho....

I’m not low hanging scum ever. Nobody here thinks I’m ever low hanging scum. People are constantly paranoid of ScumBoon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hawk unvote. I want FL's reaction. He'll quick hammer otherwise.

I would have hammered, you are correct.

Mulch is scum. Probably with Fitz.

Two’s probably town, but i’d still like to lynch him.

[Flavor Leaf]

miller + traitor + cop + vanilla cop go together well

There’s more than just this, just to let you guys know.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll throw down the hammer when he’s L-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, when Mulch and I eventually roll scum together, we’re gonna wipe the floor, just saying.

[Flavor Leaf]

HARDCLAIM TOWN ASCETIC EVEN NIGHT VIGILANTE

Lol.

[Flavor Leaf]

Keep in mind, I know for a fact there’s something else out there on top of everything else being said.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don’t understand how/why you were tracker crumbing with an “Ascetic even night vig” claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can I hammer him now?

[Flavor Leaf]

so anti would have gotten a "no result" on you if you're ascetic

but they got a guilty.

are you saying anti is lying?

No, he’s just trololol’ing.

Mulch is scum af, and this is his giving up personality. He played similarly in one of the BooneyToonz, and basically claimed scum, but then somehow nobody lynched him there, and he got away with it after giving up.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Mulch was town, we’d be on page 150 by now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let me hamma.

I think I know the third scum, but I’ll bring this up tomorrow.

Nice knowing you, Anti.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let me hamma.

I think I know the third scum, but I’ll bring this up tomorrow.

Nice knowing you, Anti.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just so everyone is aware, Gamma neighborized me Night 1. I got into it Day 2, and he tried getting me to go along with a mason gambit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hawk is now in the neighborhood. He can vouch for it.

VOTE: Fitz

I don’t know how you get me. Mulch and I barely even interacted.

[Flavor Leaf]

I brought up me thinking I knew who the third scum was yesterday, and I said in neighborhood to Gamma I was referring to him.

Gamma even asked during the night phase if he should neighborize someone or not. I said sure, neighborize.

Hawk can vouch for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

gamma's not the third scum though

K, would you rather me keep it to myself then? What’s the optimal play? Hmm?

We have plenty of mislynches after this day phase, so I’m not too worried about it, but I think this is a pointless statement by you.

After my flip, would you have preferred me not saying anything or would you have preferred me say something?

[Flavor Leaf]

k

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know how you get me. Mulch and I barely even interacted.

not the main reason I'm scum reading you, but nice try.

"mulch and I barely even interacted" almost sounds like a buddy claim.

He was fucking traitor. How would I know who he was?

[Flavor Leaf]

Sitting on the side lines? I was sleeping. It’s 9 am here, and I just checked my other games -.-

[Flavor Leaf]

I only count 4 votes. Who’s the 5th?

[Flavor Leaf]

btw FL is prolly not scum, he told me as scum he would have gone for the mason gambit, which makes sense as he would have wanted to pocket me

This is WIFOM and self meta. I’d do this as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

btw FL is prolly not scum, he told me as scum he would have gone for the mason gambit, which makes sense as he would have wanted to pocket me

This is WIFOM and self meta. I’d do this as scum.

But yeah, if I’m scum and threw away a golden opportunity in a mason gambit.

[Flavor Leaf]

1:Creature- Easy read
2:Mulch- Easy read
3:Fro99er- Hard read
4:Transcend- Hard read
5:Flavor Leaf- Hard read
6:TheYankeeReaper- Null read
7:James Brafin- Null read
8:Locke113- Null read
9:Hawk- Null read
10:Gamma Emerald- Null read
11:Smocaine- Null read
12:TwoInAMillion- Null read
13:Chara- Easy read

It’s Creature and Chara. Nuff said.

Although, neat trick you did with pushing Creature first.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature’s at L-2, right?

Intent to hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Froggy and I aren’t hard reads for Mulch. It was him signaling to his teammates.

[Flavor Leaf]

so then why didn't Mulch put you two down as null reads?

Easy. Potential lynch candidates because we’re “hard to read”.

[Flavor Leaf]

People know my relationship with Mulch. There’s no way he wouldn’t have signaled me if I was scum and he was traitor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I posted in the neighborhood during the night my thoughts about the team being you and Creature.

I even talked Gamma out of bringing you into the neighborhood and brought Two in because the scum team is in Creature, Chara, James slot, and I don’t think it’s James slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

If your town, prove me wrong. Show me why you’re town.

[Flavor Leaf]

So why so much more active in the neighborhood than here?

Because it was night time.

[Flavor Leaf]

In the neighborhood you are the highest level poster. And you were active in the neighborhood as scum in the game I modded, too, while lurking in the main game.

It’s because I multipost. Majority of my posts in neighborhood came after.

What game are you referring to? Was that Mulch’s game? I’m always active in neighborhoods.

@Gamma - my 4 person neighborhood that one large Normal we don’t talk about I was super active there.

I’m an active player both alignments, and I have a phrase, when in doubt, lurk out, which I do a scum both alignments. I was in like 5 games, and had a four day in a row 12 hour works days. Sue me for shunning some of my games.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 4 is also my sweet spot as town. Would you like me to link some town day 4’s for you guys and compare it to my scum day 4’s?

[Flavor Leaf]

Antihero, can i vote Chara now?

Chara, fitz, Two is probably the scum team. Transcend was the only other scum read by Two, so now he just gets to focus on me, and now Fitz is pairing up with that line of thought.

so why was Creature town here?

I scum read Two. Context clues, man.

[Flavor Leaf]

where exactly did this major scumread on me develop, Flavor? if you had me, fitz, and Two as the scumteam over Creature.
i saw Two was town for you as of 1616, why do you think that?

It’s POE, mixed in with that Mulch post really.

Gamma has done anti scum things in the form of not pushing me for calligraphy him out for him wanting to be masons with me.

I feel hawk is town with the Miller claim.

Two is stubborn town.

Literally leaves you, Creature, and sheep. From my perspective, it doesn’t matter what my reads were before because the other three are lock town for me. You guys weren’t.

Mulch’s easy read post only would incriminate anyone if he flips.

I’ve caught traitor crumbs like this before. It sucks for you guys, but yeah.