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Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.

I feel like he felt he couldn’t go up against me, so he’s trying to get me to see his side instead of 1v1 me, which is what was being semi setup yesterday.

Mafia Miller is rude, so if you’re a Mafia Miller, you’re gonna get a rude win.

In post 2200, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.

Pardon? I don't get what you're trying to say. The gambit couldn't have been done n1, and if I claimed ascetic later than day 1 then eyebrows wouldv'e been raised.
Honestly this feels rather opportunistic, using the fact no one checked me to create an accusation of being ascetic.
And if I wanted to set up a lylo, I'd probably do you + 2iam, not you + Hawk. There's also the fact that Chara consistently suspected me, so why not kill them say night 4?

Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??

In post 2203, Hawk wrote:Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??

No reason to. No reason not to.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Gamma already is very aware.

Paranoid much? I understand you said you have a track history with Miller's. But still...

In post 2202, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2200, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, Gamma brought up the fact about likely to be investigated in the neighborhood, yet he tried getting a mason gambit Day 2, and masons wouldn’t ever be investigated in that sense.

Pardon? I don't get what you're trying to say. The gambit couldn't have been done n1, and if I claimed ascetic later than day 1 then eyebrows wouldv'e been raised.
Honestly this feels rather opportunistic, using the fact no one checked me to create an accusation of being ascetic.
And if I wanted to set up a lylo, I'd probably do you + 2iam, not you + Hawk. There's also the fact that Chara consistently suspected me, so why not kill them say night 4?

What do you mean opportunistic? Ive been actively denying that I think that Hawk is scum, meaning you are the scum for me. You even questioned why I was lock scum’ming you.

Frogger also died after his Vanilla cop/vt stuff was coming by when Froggy didn’t really need to die, so that was likely a fear paranoia kill also.

Two was obv town at the point, and I wasn’t necessarily making it to 3p lylo. I feel like chara’s Rolecop claim changed things.

In post 2206, Hawk wrote:Paranoid much? I understand you said you have a track history with Miller's. But still...

Bare with me for being paranoid. Mafia Miller does fix the setup from being broken, as does ascetic Neighborizer.

But I feel like Mafia Miller is as close as you can get to a mod lie in a normal.

And even you have to admit that you were a little scummy at the end of the day phase, but if I lose to another miller claim.

Unless Chara lied about role copping you, which I guess could have been town survival technique, and Chara did bring up they would consider lying to make sense of their actions.

But yeah, my gamma read makes more sense, but i have that rude paranoia of a Mafia miller.

Also, you being there raises tension for me. Had I kept it there, and you were scum, game over. I also feel like you’re keeping both people open.

Gamma is pushing you trying to get me to see that, and will probably jump onto me if you lean on me, so play wise, I see scum agenda on both of you. Setup wise and NKA, I lean Gamma, but if Srceen wanted to play with a Mafia Miller, then yeah, it makes sense of the game.

I really wish Chara had copped Gamma right now...

In post 2203, Hawk wrote:Gamma do you really think it's me?

If you're willing to vote Gamma anytime and are that confident why haven't you voted Him yet??

Honestly yeah. Here's why. I had this done yesterday but wanted to let you respond.
Okay so I did a Creature ISO and a mulch ISO
Creature turned up nothing but Mulch's interactions with Hawk kinda read as signalling more than those with Flavor, mostly with the fact Mulch continually interacted with Hawk while not doing the same to Flavor. Things like "Wanna mason me?" don't really help either. There's a readlist by Mulch day 1 where his hard town reads are himself, creature, and get this, hawk. Two scum and someone who could very likely be his partner.
Along with that, there's Hawk CONTINUALLY avoiding the neighborhood. Vedith "taught" me in NYE Ball that if someone's avoiding a neighborhood they might be scum, and I've consistently had to poke Hawk to get him to post. Flavor, on the other hand, has been very active in it and even posting more than me in it. While Flavor isn't one you can say "this guy would do X as town" about, you can certainly compare him to others.
Also, a word on some of my interactions with the flipped scum. I pushed Creature rather hard at one point d1. Recall how Mulch mentioned an ITA turbo? In that game, I was refreshed on the horrors of bussing not working. As such I would have likely gone with an angle of "Creature has been active early so he could be town" rather than hard-push Creature. Also when I FOSed Mulch it was because I'd heard of "Amrock tells", one of which being unsureness.

Yeeesh. Well this isn't going how I expected.

Mulch probably hard townread me since... well you know I claimed Miller. If you believe the claim you believe that I am basically a named townie. If you don't believe the claim you shoulda lynched me d1 like 2iam and Transcend wanted.

I really haven't played that well, but where I'm standing I'm fairly certain it's Flavor.

So if I'm wrong about Gamma I that royally sucks. Gamma you really believe Mafia Miller is a thing here??

I'll be perfectly honest one of the main reasons I'm leaning Flavor is because I think Gamma is town... there are some blatantly obvious fuckups if he's scum... like this

"And also I'm fairly certain Hawk is town, and if he is scum his team does not have an encryptor"

Like that's a hella dangerous thing to say in hindsight.

I haven't reread the whole game from yalls perspectives yet but This is kinda where I was by the end of the day yesterday. I pushed Chara hard because I wanted to make him accountable so that if Flavor borought him to final 3 I could be sure in a townread on him. I was super hesitant of his claim because I was in disbelief that scum!gamma could open up the neighborhood with a mason gambit and then scum!flavor would throw all that away. One of these is true and I have to figure out which one.

I believe mafia miller is a possibility, it's more the stuff I've analyzed from Mulch that's really making me think it's you. As for mulch hard townreading you well if you were his buddy he also has reason to do so, as I noted Mulch had a readlist with the two flipped scum and you as town. Also, your miller claim sorta took you off the table for a while, and that's why you weren't lynched day 1.

I'm not sure how to convince you it's flavor and not me. From my perspective it should be you and Flavour in a 1v1.

Chara was Rolecop he copped me I'm Miller. I can only say what I've said all game. I don't see the point of this role nor do I understand how it can be beneficial. I should have been lynched d1 and I even said go ahead and do it. I knew I would be brought to the f3 the longer the game played out because unlike what people think this role intended benefit is what it actually creates is a giant Wifom machine. EXCEPT FOR THIS TIME THE ROLE WAS ACTUALLY CONFIRMED BY A ROLECOP. Gamma if youre town you should never lynch me and if you're scum you'll lynch flavor if I vote there anyway.

I don't see a reason for you to be scum and I'm really bad at setup speculation so I don't know if Scum Ascetic Neighborizor is the most appropriate thing for this game for balance.

Ugh I hate lylo.

The point of miller is a fake guilty, it brings down town power without making the game swingy. And just because your role is confirmed doesn't mean your role can't still be mafia.

That’s actually not a dangerous thing at all to say as scum.

“If he is scum, then they don’t have an encryptor.” Why would that incriminate him at all? That would make him look better.

Like I said before, role cop and cop together with a traitor/encryptor on the team is absolutely not balanced because of the potential for end game Day 2.

Role cop targets Encryptor, boom. Cop targets the non traitor, boom. That is literally game over for the scum team. Ascetic neighborizer counters this because it can’t get direct guiltied, and roleblocker synergizes well with that. Mafia miller effectively takes the role of a godfather, similar to how a mafia doctor is inno’d by a gunsmith, so that’s kind of neat.

“Have to figure out which one is true.”
“Don’t know how to convince you it’s flavor.”

Honestly, i feel i’m the deciding vote here, not you, Hawk, so I don’t understand that trajectory.

@Gamma - play wise, I vote Hawk. But the mafia miller is like...wtf. It’s why I think it’s still you.

If you’re scum and convince me to lynch a miller, I’d feel super bad...

Also, just a little factoid, I can’t recall a single game that I’ve ever been scum in 3p lylo.

Ugh, Gamma. Mulch’s interactions do point towards him being scum more so than you.

I like to think my biggest defense is the fact that Mulch would 100% try to signal me if I was his buddy, because him and I as scum together easily could sweep the game.

In post 1630, Mulch wrote:I was planning on opening today with a false guilty anyway

Townsided setup is townsided

Ugh, if Mulch knew the scum roles of his partners, this incriminates one of you guys a lot. It played with the fact of the claimed Miller, which Mulch was hard pushing Hawk before he claimed it.

Mulch brought up a potential ascetic fake claim.

Hawk’s play yesterday and today is scummy. If he’s scum, he’s leaning me so if Gamma votes me, he wins, and I try to convince him it’s Gamma, so if I vote, he can win.

Him talking about me voting Gamma I don’t like very much.

Gamma, I think you’re warlockin’ me. I might have been swayed off of his play...

Ugh, Gamma originally said he wanted to do the mason gambit with Mulch, meaning he thought about bringing his traitor Mulch into the neighborhood.

Gamma, I don’t like Hawk’s play this page. I feel like he’s waiting for one of us to vote each other.

Him targeting me sets him up for a win because it’ll appeal to you, but I was near lock scumming you.

If I changed my mind, that comes off as scummy.

Chara was town reading both Gamma and myself, yet worried about having to 1v1 me.

I didn’t really have any sort of push on Gamma, and I had lock town’d Hawk.

He couldn’t leave Chara/Gamma together because they were town locking each other.

VOTE: Hawk

Not losing to another miller claim. Gamma warlocked me hard if he’s scum. I let him coast.

I don’t think Hawk expected me to turn like that, but Hawk was town casing Gamma to me basically.

That’s actually what turned me around.

He was trying to convince me that Gamma was town, and I was scum, when I know I’m town. He’s was appealing to Gamma by way of convincing me, if that makes sense, Gamma.