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Post Post #3575 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:15 pm

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Day 4, Votecount 8


Adeline, look closely
You don't want to break my heart
Take your time, don't vote me
Or he'll take this town apart
Don't trust that man, don't trust that man
I said don't trust that man
'Cause that bus was planned
Put the scum down
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2 Ginngie (Cheetory6, Patrick)
2 Kmd4390 (Chara, UnaBombaH)
1 Aristophanes (Firebringer)
1 Chara (Kmd4390)

2 Unvote (Aristophanes, Spiffeh)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-23 01:00:00), on Friday, February 23 at 1:00 am EST.


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Post Post #3576 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:18 pm

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what did you do, laugh?
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Post Post #3577 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:00 pm

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In post 3529, Aristophanes wrote:Let me show you I am town so I can stop making this dumb argument, ya?
How long are you expecting it's going to take you to do this?
In post 3523, Firebringer wrote:Ari feels like scum. Like it feels like ari told his teammates “to I can’t do scum it makes me apatheticL” and everyone told him to have fun with it and just literally post whatever came to mind and people will read him Town because it’s him. It’s like his thoughts don’t seem townie. And his argument for him being Town is he wouldn’t pick it? So? That’s your only reason when you might not have even picked your role? (I didn’t pick beeboy) I think ari lynch wins the game.
What's your experience with Aristophanes in general? Do you feel like he's someone that you've correctly read in the past?
Biggest hesitation on your reasoning is on the bolded. Ari's frequently mislynched because of having awkward tone.
If he is scum here, he's putting in a much stronger game than he usually does as scum, and I totally get that this is Team Mafia, but I'm probably not going to be 100% comfortable lynching him just because he feels weird because that's kind of generally a trap wrt him?
Kind of surprised that Ginngie hasn't voiced this concern given his opinion on Ari's scumgame.

I want to see more from him because I definitely feel that paranoia and there's a lot of slots that are townier than him, but I want more than just "we feel like this might be who scum is" because we can probably do better than that with nine collective townslots if he is scum.
I think we kind of need to in general all dig into this game and give it some love/attention because winning it because "lolAri might be scum" would feel disappointing (at least to me) anyways.

Starting with implosion ISOdive and then I might get to ariMetaDive sometime this weekend if I don't feel like a lazy piece of shit.
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Post Post #3578 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:01 pm

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Firebringer wrote:Ari feels like scum. Like it feels like ari told his teammates “to I can’t do scum it makes me apatheticL” and everyone told him to have fun with it and just literally post whatever came to mind and people will read him Town because it’s him.
It’s like his thoughts don’t seem townie
. And his argument for him being Town is he wouldn’t pick it? So? That’s your only reason when you might not have even picked your role? (I didn’t pick beeboy) I think ari lynch wins the game.
This is what the quote should have been.
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Post Post #3579 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

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implosion wrote:cabd's first reads post is as other people have already pointed out really sketchy.
Lack of vote on Cabd bothers me.
If implosion doesn't vote Cabd until there's suspicion on him, then I'm probably going to think he's scum.
implosion wrote:I also would love some justification from anyone who townread Ginngie so far (particularly from cabd).
I feel like townImplosion votes Cabd here.
This feels like extremely plausible partner reach-out to try and give Cabd something to get into the game with/give room to bus if necessary.

Implosion's pick-stances feel like something he could very easily gimmick as scum to fake content.
In post 817, implosion wrote:VOTE: Una
How is this your first vote.
o.o
implo wrote:It's really interesting that Una listed Spiffeh and Chara twice in his early readslist, once in 209 and once in 211. Don't know if it means anything? It's a bit weird in the first place that he interpreted Transcend's request as asking for a full reads list. But meh.
This is so so so so much weaker than both of your leads on Cabd/Mulch.

I feel a little irked that implo drops Mulch from his readlist post
and I also dislike that Cabd is just "there is not enough data".
You've given reasons to scumread Cabd already.
It's really weird that you would stop scumreading him, especially when his posting never really got town.
In post 1031, implosion wrote:I can also see myself hopping on the Kagami wagon in the near future in theory.
How does this reconcile with your scumread on Mulch at the time?
I don't understand why you would vote Mulch when Kagami is the one who your pressure would have been usefully affecting?
In post 1192, implosion wrote:Let's just like.

Disband the two big wagons?

Pls?
Why were you not a fan of the Cabd wagon? You literally said he was a scumlean a few posts earlier and there was nothing to indicate otherwise?
In post 1265, Cabd wrote:I'm too friendly to lynch!
implosion wrote: mean, he is ish? But see softclaim etc which I was avoiding elaborating on but shrug. I was a bit unsure what to think about him since the first time he softclaimed earlier which I'm not sure if people caught but assume most did.
Hey implosion.
Hey.
Hey.
Why were you not down to lynch Cabd BEFORE the softclaim?
Because you're saying you didn't want to lynch him after the softclaim but you said "get off the wagons please?"
BEFORE
the softclaim?
Do explain.
Because.
I want you on the fucking chopping block so hard for this.

Stopping ISOdive here because this last thought is so hard not to share right now lol.
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Post Post #3580 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:47 pm

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Cheetory wrote:Hey implosion.
Hey.
Hey.
Why were you not down to lynch Cabd BEFORE the softclaim?
Because you're saying you didn't want to lynch him after the softclaim but you said "get off the wagons please?" BEFORE the softclaim?
Do explain.
Because.
I want you on the fucking chopping block so hard for this.

Stopping ISOdive here because this last thought is so hard not to share right now lol.
Just to get to this first.

You're forgetting that cabd softclaimed twice; my asking for a disbanding of the wagon was in response to the .
As well as his , which you'll note is on the same page as me asking to disband the wagons.
You'll note as well that I explicitly that I was unsure what to think of him because of the first softclaim.
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Post Post #3581 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm

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I hate that if you're scum, Cabd was probably planning the claim from that first post and you were probably prepared to claim that you spotted the original softclaim.
:/

I'm actually so bummed that it's not a straight up scumslip
q.q


I'll start ISO again with that in mind.
Can you talk at me about why you've been so okay with me pitching you as scum for like the last two days?
Like, it feels like you've just been avoiding dealing with my read on you completely. Is there a reason for that or what?
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Post Post #3582 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:56 pm

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I thought I was going to be cases implosion
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Post Post #3583 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:57 pm

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In post 3577, Cheetory6 wrote:What's your experience with Aristophanes in general?
Weird question
I have as much experience with him as you
Excluding ur in person mafia with the dude
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Post Post #3584 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:58 pm

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In post 3583, Firebringer wrote:Weird question
I have as much experience with him as you
Excluding ur in person mafia with the dude
Give examples? Convince me that you're amazing at reading him given some kind of track record.

I don't really get why you're expecting me to know how many games you've actually played with him offhand?
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Post Post #3585 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:59 pm

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Re: me not voting cabd early. If I recall correctly, I was mostly concerned about overpressuring him. I figured with Mulch's bullshit toward him, if he was town, he was likely going to have a difficult time getting a foothold on the game. This is part of why I reached out to him. I think I was planning on voting contingent on his responses, but I actually liked the justifications for his reads that he gave at the time. See . I could see myself doing something similar toward Cabd as scum but I won't get into a big self-meta argument as to why this isn't exactly what it would be unless requested.
How is this your first vote.
o.o
I assumed you had something significant. It was mostly spur of the moment sheeping you because I didn't have my vote down.
This is so so so so much weaker than both of your leads on Cabd/Mulch.
Yep.

It was basically me attempting to sort the slot.

I didn't want to vote Cabd for reasons already stated; I didn't want to vote Mulch because sorting him was sort of an antipriority for me in a sense. Like when I said that I didn't buy anyone who claimed to have a strong read on him. I had no idea how to read him. I hadn't seen his scumgame before, either. I didn't really think that pressure would be very helpful in reading him either. I did say I was willing to vote him for lolgamemetapolicylynchlol but that was mostly facetious.
I feel a little irked that implo drops Mulch from his readlist post 906
and I also dislike that Cabd is just "there is not enough data".
You've given reasons to scumread Cabd already.
It's really weird that you would stop scumreading him, especially when his posting never really got town.
He had already softclaimed at this point, and in fact I had already caught the softclaim (which I know because I made a note of it on the 22nd).
This was me trying to back away from that read because I thought he was a softclaiming power role and I didn't really know what to do about the slot.
How does this reconcile with your scumread on Mulch at the time?
I don't understand why you would vote Mulch when Kagami is the one who your pressure would have been usefully affecting?
I think I actually was just getting sick of his shit tbh.
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Post Post #3586 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm

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I have probably played nearly a dozen games with him?
I don’t know I don’t keep count of them

Like how many games have we played together?
Do you know how many games we have played together
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Post Post #3587 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm

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In post 3582, Firebringer wrote:I thought I was going to be cases implosion
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #3588 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:01 pm

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Cheetory wrote: Can you talk at me about why you've been so okay with me pitching you as scum for like the last two days?
honestly

there was a significant part of me that was kind of glad about it?

I often find pressure on me to be the best motivator for me. I also sort of expected to be pressured by scum at some point, but I don't think you're scum here. The only reason I haven't said anything about you mentioning the read is because you said you were going to case me and so I was waiting for that.
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Post Post #3589 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:01 pm

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I am not making case here I’m amazing at meta reading Aristophanes either
But I think I’m pretty good.

I have played as a scum teammate with him before
And I’ve played games where I spotted scum him as Town.
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Post Post #3590 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:01 pm

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In post 3582, Firebringer wrote:I thought I was going to be cases implosion
:(
yeah yeah i'm a lazy piece of shit i'll get to it
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Post Post #3591 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:03 pm

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In post 3586, Firebringer wrote:I have probably played nearly a dozen games with him?
I don’t know I don’t keep count of them

Like how many games have we played together?
Do you know how many games we have played together
Why am I taking your read on Aristophanes seriously if you can't recall your track record of reading him?
Like, actually answer the question for what I'm asking for, rather than assuming I literally just want to know "what is the # of games you have played with him".
I'm trying to understand why I should want to sheep you on scumAristophanes and you're not really doing anything in that regard.

p-edit: okay that's at least a little better.
Have you ever misread him?
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Post Post #3592 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 567, Mulch wrote:
In post 566, Mulch wrote:
Mulch
, representing Spam Squad
Toranaga
, representing Sauciety
UnaBombaH
, representing Chillplay Bombahskiies
Chara
, representing Backhanded Remarks
Ginngie
, representing Queue Agents
Kmd4390
, representing Serious Business
Firebringer
, representing Team Cuddly (swapped with RadiantCowbells pregame)
Cheetory6
, representing Dandy Irate Hoes (representing MATI energy?)
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n, representing Make Papa Proud
Aristophanes
, representing Relaxed Nature
Patrick
, representing God Save The Black Goo
Kagami,
representing KAGAMI WHYYYYYYYYYYY
Spiffeh
, representing Young and Beautiful
Cabd
, representing DEFCON
Transcend
, representing eddie cane
Mulch doesn't double-bus here.

Does he?
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Post Post #3593 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:04 pm

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(granted that only really means anything about spiffeh but.)
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Post Post #3594 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:05 pm

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If ur looking for a meta reason for this being scumari, I don’t have one
This doesn’t seem Town or scum ari to me on a meta basis

Scum ari is terrified of posting.
Town ari isn’t.

That’s how I know when there’s a difference as far as meta
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Post Post #3595 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:06 pm

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honestly isoing firebringer is a nightmare.

I feel like his iso is so vapid in terms of content that is capable of being read into.
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Post Post #3596 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:07 pm

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I can really engage with comments like that implosion.

Good case friendo
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Post Post #3597 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:08 pm

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In post 3523, Firebringer wrote:there’s nothing in this game not out of my scum range and 90% of my Town games there isn’t really that I wouldn’t do as scum
When was the last scumgame you had that you feel like this game could be comparable to?
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Post Post #3598 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:09 pm

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yeah that isn't a case.

that's an excuse.

i open your iso and stare at it for like 2 minutes and i feel like i've gotten absolutely nowhere.
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Post Post #3599 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:10 pm

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I know I am being passive aggressive because I perceived u as discrediting and insulting me
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown

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