Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[profii]

I weirdly feel like I'm in the same position as Chumba, i cant see many scum other than havo,- I am getting a few scum reads directed at me from others and I can see why because I have struggled to be decisive in this game. I think I'm pretty clear on Havo for today and i hope going in this direction kills at least 1 scum before i get lynched so i can go away thinking i helped a bit.

subject to no major events im think this is where ill stop now

[brassherald]

Lets quicklynch nk15 and then if he flips green I will start the wagon on myself

I strongly advise the town to consider lynching havo tomorrow instead, unless there is other(night) info that changes this.
Right now that mess between eth0s/havo/chumba/chickadee(not in the mess by itself but stopped a 1v1) needs to be resolved. And lynching havo is the best idea currently.
Then, when 2 scum have been found you can look at HWS again. Obviously, if you find one scum outside these four this makes HWS way less likely to be scum(which is still possible).

I thought you said lynching Chumba is the best idea. What's changed?

[Chumba]

Yeah that’s weird. Why am I good today but not tomorrow?

[Tchill13]

I'm really struggling with this game. I am happy to play and stick with it etc, I am just really struggling to get firm scum reads. I am not playing with the same players 2x in a row again !

anyway, to try and sort that out, I'm re-reading the drama thing. Quick summary.

Spoiler: summary

Page 12- eth0s is mudslinging and baiting Havo
Page 13- sheep plants the seed of the town slip/bad town player thing then retreats pretty quickly as the mudslinging carries on. 312 is a havo post i dispute - the debate then moves towards 'the last game'

So far, I feel eth0s is bringing a lot of reliance on meta, this is NAI, but just means he is going to get things wrong. I also still agree with Chumba that Havo feels different here, maybe coming out of his shell more in this game.

Page 14, sheep pokes the hornets nest and calls it t/t - at this point i wondered, is a scum bud trying to find an exit but brassherald has landed pretty town so guess not.

i just saw my post saying i dont know what to make of eth0s breakdown- i still feel like the mud is coming from eth0s and havo is relatively calm so far...

page 15, the chumba grammar thing is introduced.

page 16,chick comes in and calls eth0s bad town - i agree here so far.
Havo also starts to extend the olive branch in response to chick.

page 17. chick provides some reads on tchil which i think are valid.
and pushes the havo olive branch/scalds eth0s

404 eth0s attacks chickodee for essentially not helping to lynch havo

There is a bit where havo responds to a push on the grammar thing from chumba. i think this is NAI, its chumba meta and he will be as accurate as anyone elses day 1 reads... probably not very.

tchill then appears and seems to go on a defense mission on behalf of havo. but then in 419 appeals to havo to consider town!eth0s.


page 18- osuka appears and makes some fairly sensible assessments.

right, i'm tired and i think ive seen enough to make some judgements.

if anyone in the drama was scum, i'd say most likely is chumba. I think his is using his meta to try and mask a push.
VOTE: chumba

I think this clears havo, or we can WIFOM some mad gambit that after having eth0s sling mud at Havo, scum!chumba decided to throw more mud at scum!havo just to really mess with us. doubt it though.

You could possibly argue that chick or sheep were also trying to help havo retreat out of the drama, but based on their play i dont think they are scum.

Chumba, I disagree with you on the manipulation point - it will be quicker and easier if we dont go into this.

I do however agree that Havo is different in this game, he has already posted more in this game than the entire of the last 1 (110 here vs 85 there) - he had pressure for lolhammers and just ignored it. Here he admittedly had heat inflicted on him by eth0s & you, he dealt with it fairly calmly, had multiple offers to retreat and took one, this could be scum team work but let's concentrate on 1 scum at a time... the point is he previously ignored pressure in the last game where he was a VT.

He also made a claim in this game about pegging eth0s in the last game, i dont think he really pushed it so this seems like an odd misrep to me.


Now looking at you, apologies for counting your DH account in this but tough! in the serial killer game you got Mulch in a very similar way to your argument on Havo, some kind of manipulation that I disagree with (because I'm just not convinced) but that was a success. Then in the last game you Mulch came in and shitposted his way to death, which you tunneled.
To be fair, this is more like your succesfull tunnel but I'm not 100% sure I can be confident in it.

After reviewing the drama episode of this game, i can see why it comes down to you or havo, so on the balance of things and a bit more thought, I'm going to go Havo.

VOTE: Havo

lol. my votes staying on profii.

[profii]

Profli. When I flip town will you vote havo?

yeah i suppose my post wasnt clear. I think you and havo are on opposite teams and I'm really stuck for who to go for.

[Chumba]

So you’d rather be part of the problem and not the solution. You probably aren’t town. You need the havo vs me drama to continue

[Chumba]

^ directed at scumChill

[Tchill13]

So you’d rather be part of the problem and not the solution. You probably aren’t town. You need the havo vs me drama to continue

no i dont. either im voting you or im voting profii.

you on one hand havent done much of anything. you've primarily pushed one thing all day. now "too tired with the day" to do anything else.

profii has made every opportunistic move possible it seems like.

so as far as moves with scum motivation in mind that means profii is the likelier candidate.

VOTE: chumba

i'm fine with ending the drama. Profii can be handled day 2. Or you can be handled day 2. i dont really care.

[Tchill13]

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

[Tchill13]

I'm really struggling with this game. I am happy to play and stick with it etc, I am just really struggling to get firm scum reads. I am not playing with the same players 2x in a row again !

anyway, to try and sort that out, I'm re-reading the drama thing. Quick summary.

Spoiler: summary

Page 12- eth0s is mudslinging and baiting Havo
Page 13- sheep plants the seed of the town slip/bad town player thing then retreats pretty quickly as the mudslinging carries on. 312 is a havo post i dispute - the debate then moves towards 'the last game'

So far, I feel eth0s is bringing a lot of reliance on meta, this is NAI, but just means he is going to get things wrong. I also still agree with Chumba that Havo feels different here, maybe coming out of his shell more in this game.

Page 14, sheep pokes the hornets nest and calls it t/t - at this point i wondered, is a scum bud trying to find an exit but brassherald has landed pretty town so guess not.

i just saw my post saying i dont know what to make of eth0s breakdown- i still feel like the mud is coming from eth0s and havo is relatively calm so far...

page 15, the chumba grammar thing is introduced.

page 16,chick comes in and calls eth0s bad town - i agree here so far.
Havo also starts to extend the olive branch in response to chick.

page 17. chick provides some reads on tchil which i think are valid.
and pushes the havo olive branch/scalds eth0s

404 eth0s attacks chickodee for essentially not helping to lynch havo

There is a bit where havo responds to a push on the grammar thing from chumba. i think this is NAI, its chumba meta and he will be as accurate as anyone elses day 1 reads... probably not very.

tchill then appears and seems to go on a defense mission on behalf of havo. but then in 419 appeals to havo to consider town!eth0s.


page 18- osuka appears and makes some fairly sensible assessments.

right, i'm tired and i think ive seen enough to make some judgements.

if anyone in the drama was scum, i'd say most likely is chumba. I think his is using his meta to try and mask a push.
VOTE: chumba

I think this clears havo, or we can WIFOM some mad gambit that after having eth0s sling mud at Havo, scum!chumba decided to throw more mud at scum!havo just to really mess with us. doubt it though.

You could possibly argue that chick or sheep were also trying to help havo retreat out of the drama, but based on their play i dont think they are scum.

Chumba, I disagree with you on the manipulation point - it will be quicker and easier if we dont go into this.

I do however agree that Havo is different in this game, he has already posted more in this game than the entire of the last 1 (110 here vs 85 there) - he had pressure for lolhammers and just ignored it. Here he admittedly had heat inflicted on him by eth0s & you, he dealt with it fairly calmly, had multiple offers to retreat and took one, this could be scum team work but let's concentrate on 1 scum at a time... the point is he previously ignored pressure in the last game where he was a VT.

He also made a claim in this game about pegging eth0s in the last game, i dont think he really pushed it so this seems like an odd misrep to me.


Now looking at you, apologies for counting your DH account in this but tough! in the serial killer game you got Mulch in a very similar way to your argument on Havo, some kind of manipulation that I disagree with (because I'm just not convinced) but that was a success. Then in the last game you Mulch came in and shitposted his way to death, which you tunneled.
To be fair, this is more like your succesfull tunnel but I'm not 100% sure I can be confident in it.

After reviewing the drama episode of this game, i can see why it comes down to you or havo, so on the balance of things and a bit more thought, I'm going to go Havo.

VOTE: Havo

lol. my votes staying on profii.

Profli. When I flip town will you vote havo?

yeah i suppose my post wasnt clear. I think you and havo are on opposite teams and I'm really stuck for who to go for.

"look guys. i think chumba is scum. i voted him for like 10 posts. well i think he might be scum. I swear i do. I even voted him." - Profii

[Chumba]

don’t hate me for solving the game while you hop back and forth not being able to make a decision about which mislynch is better for your end game.

[Tchill13]

don’t hate me for solving the game while you hop back and forth not being able to make a decision about which mislynch is better for your end game.

right right. solved the game with your 3 scum team guesses but you conveniantly keep going back and forth on Bad town tchill and scum tchill.

you keep dodging questions and only answer any post just to discredit. thats obvious.

[eth0s]

Chumba I'm gonna be really upset if this is your town game.
VOTE: chumba

[Chumba]

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

[Chumba]

Chumba I'm gonna be really upset if this is your town game.
VOTE: chumba

Be prepared to be upset cause it is.

Do you promise to lynch havo tomorrow?

[Chumba]

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

[Tchill13]

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1

according to your meta

chumba. congratulations.

[brassherald]

I feel like this day 1 is just dragging along and is super bogged down in this chumba v. havo thing.

I still extend HOS to NK 15, and FOS to profii, but I want to move on from this bickering, so I will just vote for whichever of those two has more votes. I feel like both are probably town and this is useless, but whatever at this point whichever of them gets lynched is a "sanity lynch".

Chumba has more votes right now, I'll make it 5.
VOTE: Chumba

[Chumba]

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

1. you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

2. you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

3. you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

4. anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

5. yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1 according to your meta chumba. congratulations.

1. There are most likely 3 scum. I have 3 scum reads. It’s day 1 for fucks sake. Until I get a flip I don’t know if I’m right or wrong. Why does my read on profli matter? I’m never voting him or anyone else today so why do you care about my reads? Here I’ll make it easy for you. Havo/nk/you scum. Everyone else is town. Better?

2. So what? I black list players who do unacceptable things. Intentionally lying and manipulating are things town shouldn’t do. If havo isn’t scum, I never want to play with him again. Shit. If you are town I never want to play with you again.

3. You keep bringing this up like it means something to me. It does annoy me that people are ignoring it since havo did manipulate the ethos argument and he did lie about my meta. Idk how anyone can ignore it but whatever. I hope when I flip town he gets lynched tomorrow

4. Anyone who denies something happened, when it actually did and I’ve proven it did is absolutely wrong. Yes that’s true.

5. Fuck meta. I’ve playe a perfect game because I’m fairly certain I’ve found all the scum.

[Chumba]

Chumba has more votes right now, I'll make it 5.
VOTE: Chumba

Will you vote havo after I flip town?

[Tchill13]

refusing to place stances on day 1 so your day 1 cant be looked back upon is scum motivation.

[Chumba]

un-Official Vote Count

Chumba

(5): Havo, Not Known 15, Tchill13, eth0s, brassherald

Havo

(3): HeWhoSwims, Chumba, profii

Chickadee

(1): osuka

Tchill13

(1): Chickadee

profii

(1): Nero Cain

Not Known 15

(1): Jodaxq

Not Voting

(1): schadd_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-15 17:30:00)

Do not let havo out of his lynch tomorrow please.

[Chumba]

refusing to place stances on day 1 so your day 1 cant be looked back upon is scum motivation.

I haven’t refused to place stances. The goal is to find scum. I have given 3 scum reads.

[Chumba]

I’ve taken the hardest stance out of anyone. I’m sacrificing myself to make sure havo gets lynched tomorrow.

[brassherald]

Chumba has more votes right now, I'll make it 5.
VOTE: Chumba

Will you vote havo after I flip town?

I'm unwilling to commit to a day 2 lynch on day 1.