Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

part of why I'm here is to see couples blow up at each other.

Troll

[Antihero]

Dunn is prob scum btw
just thought everyone should know

why do you say that?

i kind of sort of thought so earlier but i went lukewarm on it

[chesskid3]

dunn is town maki

[Firebringer]

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

[chesskid3]

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

how do u feel about ali threatening to blow up

[Firebringer]

Wait a minute I did leave the dance lololololl


God I’m such a troll

[Maki Harukawa]

Dunn is prob scum btw
just thought everyone should know

why do you say that?

i kind of sort of thought so earlier but i went lukewarm on it

His interactions in our pt is weird he says he's still trying to sort me and he's playing really flooded like when I pressed him a little he didn't press back like I'd expect I think he'd be a lot more loose if he was town in a pt with me or at least not have this "I'm trying to sort you/somewhat tr you" stance

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

You're right I'm never gonna leave the dance unless it comes to deadline like it did last time
that's the only time people should leave

[Firebringer]

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

how do u feel about ali threatening to blow up

Indifferent

[beeboy]

Pedit: Why do you sr Chess? If I was gonna vote that pair it'd be more for eli then it would be for chess

1083, 1085 and 1087

I kinda don't like how Chess has had me as lock scum all game and hasn't really done much to get me killed until after I paired up with Sheep which is one of his town reads?
It's not like I was particularly subtle about trying to pair up with Sheep all game and it's not like Sheep wasn't asking for approval the entire pre dance to pair with me.

Like the closest he got was asking me and Gamma if we wanted to pair up which was kinda meh considering he kinda offered no reason as to why we should do it and didn't really try and get any other player to push the notion for him.
He also made like 1 naked post telling sheep to not pair up with me that gave no explanation on why I am scum.

Like if I am Chesskids top scum read this game and he has unpaired town reads available to pair up with Sheep I don't really get why he would just let me as scum just do that essentially for free? Like he just loses a town read for no reason by letting me pair up with sheep.

Like bullshitting reads isn't hard at all and nothing in Chesskids reads give me any reason to town read him.
His actions on the other hand in regards to his reads are literally non existent which is scum motivated af because he gives 0 shits if a town read dies and gave 0 shits whether or not I was left behind in the predance.
Chesskid is 100% scum this isn't hard.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait a minute I did leave the dance lololololl


God I’m such a troll

yeah iirc you left and I was spectating goign wtfffff is up with this insane person

Also gonna try to comment on thigns since I feel I'm gonna get caught up in lazyness if I don't do it now

[chesskid3]

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

how do u feel about ali threatening to blow up

Indifferent

can you explain this

[Firebringer]

Wait a minute I did leave the dance lololololl


God I’m such a troll

yeah iirc you left and I was spectating goign wtfffff is up with this insane person

Also gonna try to comment on thigns since I feel I'm gonna get caught up in lazyness if I don't do it now

First scum ever in history of this setup to do it.
I was setting records

[beeboy]

Also Elli's usual excuse for doing nothing (which is valid) is he has really strong reads late game and doesn't want to eat a NK.
Which is a non factor in this setup?

Like look at his play in Alisae's bastard game to see how he plays knowing he can't die, I think he didn't plan to try harding this game and Chesskid is just scum and nothing Elli has done actually is AI.

But I just wanted to throw some shade in case it makes people want to vote chesskid for the wrong reasons by voting Elli who has no reasons to not attempt to solve and shit.

[Antihero]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

[Firebringer]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

Dunn was mostly in the PT last round of this
He was Town then

[Venmar]

This last point intrigues me since iirc I also had a similar issue with that post and he just ignored me, so he's choosing to use that disagreement

this one confused me because i didn't know what you were talking about but an iso does reveal the existence of this:

ftr kokichi is scum because he's had #32+ posts already and i think they're all either defensive, questions aimed at looking like he's contributing, or fluff. there seems to be a heavy emphasis on beetlejuicing and defending himself, clarifying meta, and asking people questions rather than instigating contribution himself. he's made a couple contributions, but his reactions to scrutiny and criticism, primarily, is what twists my poop the most right now and i'm not convinced this is town play as of right now.

also #293, #332, #342, 404 (!!) are scumposts

Gonna have to question 404, and I'm kinda curious about why you scumread 332

which in my defence i didn't know even existed and i missed this question entirely.

to entertain y'all:

404 - i interpreted this post as kokichi-scum complaining about being always lynched; the "omg im always mislynched" is a sentiment that in my experience i have seen scum produce as a form of appeal.
332 -this was a pure gut read of mine but i'm pretty sure i had this listed as an example of fluff, and i thought it was hypocritical since at the time i thought koki was guilty of asking questions just to look busy herself.

[Maki Harukawa]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

3 posts not that long but I know he's gone atm when he comes back I wanna talk to him more.

[Firebringer]

point?

You won’t do it and ur scum.

Last dance I threatened to blow up all game never did it

how do u feel about ali threatening to blow up

Indifferent

can you explain this

Think him getting annoyed and announcing he would do that means nothing. He sounds serious but like he knows that we aren’t lynching venmar for that. He is also not doing it to be townread I don’t think. And I think maki is saying she will explode to get townread because she is doing it similar to how I would do it.

[chesskid3]

so elli just informed me that beeboy isn't in this to play mafia and is nust here to meme?

which explains his ignoring of other slots which is why im scumreading him.

so ill move that dank vote later and ignore him but I'm ofc down for a PL

[beeboy]

Maki vote Chesskid.

[Venmar]

act like a dick all you want but own it. don't insult my intelligence by saying you weren't really poking me in the eye with that

i thought i was owning it? i genuinely DO feel bad. i also think you're not giving me any credit for the exchange but that's just me.

[Antihero]

hm..... how long is your PT, maki?

if dunn is posting a lot in your PT and not posting here that is a little disconcerting

Dunn was mostly in the PT last round of this
He was Town then

well i guess i'll go back to not thinking about him then

chesskid, i hope you know i'm getting my hopes up sky high for your beeboy case. i'm brewing a pot of coffee and baking a lemon cake in anticipation

[Maki Harukawa]

Maki vote Chesskid.

ehhhh

[Alisae]

btw this is Venmar's Rebuttle

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

:scumposting:

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so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine, just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable. actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

Also :scumposting:

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main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on.

the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy

, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

Lets look at the post again

332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad.

Venmar is flipping scum.

also like i don't even understand this post? alisae is literally just discrediting and handwaving everything i said with ":scumposting:", and then on the last point if anyone interprets "332 - I fail to understand why the post is bad" as a contradiction to the bolded i will fucking eat a shoe. i think the context clearly dictates it as alisae dismissing 332 as townie rather than alisae asking me a question, and that's how interpreted that and continue to do so.

i do think that alisae's stance on me went from wanting to talk to me/pairing with me to vehemently attacking me which is an interesting character arc. i will also point out that it makes perfect sense for scum-alisae, who has already once bragged about kokichi flipping town, to button down and hard-push and attack me for attacking kokichi if scum-alisae knows that kokichi is flipping town. it makes me look bad once kokichi flips town and alisae can coast on that fact alone. townreading/defending kokichi wasn't exactly THE MOST common sentiment as far as my minimum-reading memory serves me, and alisae was the only one that felt the need to openly attack me over it. in my eyes it definitely reeks of a scum agenda

Because the post was a trap.
I COULD have refuted all of your points easily.
But I wanted to prove the following point:

YOU'RE NOT PUSHING THIS READ TO BE RIGHT. YOU'RE PUSHING THIS READ TO WIN A DEBATE.

And this is what this posts proves.
That your read is just, not natural on me.

You have taken the majority of my posting and turned them all into scumposts.
The reality of mafia is: not every post is a scum post.
(well, except yours )

The point of that specific post was layed out for you to attack it.
I wanted to see how you would attack it.
And you reacted EXACTLY the way I thought you would react if you were scum:
To attack it and continue pushing.

I'm actually going to refute these points now you stated in that post, because its really scummy.
Like for example, the first part

"hey, so uh, i know i pursued an objectively weak, opportunistic attack, and that i am now scummy for it, but you don't get to criticise me for being scummy and doing scummy things, so that makes you scum"
oh ok, sorry

indicates that you're litterally just finding a way to attack my post.
The second part

so alisae's blatant discrediting as the only form of attack is laughable. i don't think harmabey being new (which i didnt know and i don't care) or koki being lynchable excuse their play or discredit mine,

just how much i think that alisae taking the easy, grand-standing point of view of defending the NEWBIE and the POOR LYNCHABLE TOWNIE is equally lamentable.

actually fuck off

also note how this was the first and last time that i even mentioned haram, in what i deem a throwaway reads post, and alisae decided to just roll with it as me ATTACKING A NEWBIE (it is time to stop)

The bolded for the most part, attempts to find a way to unnaturally make my actions look scummy.
The third bit

main issue i have with this is that alisae is exploiting the fact that i elaborated on my scumread but not on the posts that i cited. it let's alisae make a lot of assumptions on my behalf and it looks really neat on paper, because she can discredit the entirety of the bolded by attacking the posts i didn't elaborate on. the town mindset would've been to prod me for why i thought those posts were specifically scummy, the opportunistic mindset is to say fuck it.

in reality i will also say that what i did there and do with most of my reads is that most of my reads are gut-based and then i try to back it up with some reasoning (bolded) and what my gut reacted to (the four listed posts are examples of said posts). a lot of people have an adverse reaction to this aspect of my playstyle because of that and quite frankly i don't care.

The problem with this is you're attacking what I'm not doing. Instead of addressing my concerns, you're going out of you're way to say "I didn't do this, therefore I am scum." I feel like this proves you're trying to win an arguement not lynch scum.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Lynch Venmar.
I think I proved my point, so I am going to do this.

I'm taking Joey into my basement- I mean I'm leaving the dance.

Because at this point, my townflip is litterally Venmar's lynch.

Note: I would NOT be doing this if I townread Joey.
I actually in fact, scumread him. I kinda just feel like Joey's approach to this game is coming from scum.

Regardless of if Joey flips scum, I feel like Maki v Gamma just based off of this page is a TvS. and I feel like There is one scum in the Fire Shiro pairing.

Shiro for the most part, I don't think he would actually read the game if he was town.
When I was hydraing with Shiro on Crows, he believed that reading 140 something pages was something that was "town as duck" to put it in his words.
He also ellabroated that he wouldn't read the game as town. I feel like him making an attempt to read the game is probably coming from scum.

Fire I honestly think has just been openwolfing the whole game.

But yeah, may god help me if I am terribly wrong.
PCE YO

ALSO IF YOU DON'T KILL VENMAR I AM DOING THIS FOR NO REASON PLEASE KILL HIM.

[beeboy]

so elli just informed me that beeboy isn't in this to play mafia and is nust here to meme?

which explains his ignoring of other slots which is why im scumreading him.

so ill move that dank vote later and ignore him but I'm ofc down for a PL

My only meme is calling Elli bad all game.
Which I'll likely continue to do.