Mini 1990: Terror in the City (Game Over)

[havingfitz]

Since A50 is making some sort of noise about previous games with Kop I took a look. Before this game I've had 4 games with Kop. I'm never been mafia in any of his games (SK once) and he's only been scum in one of them. I think this game is more similar to the scum!Kop I have seen than the town!Kop. Below are some mini-notes from each game:

Spoiler: My games with Kop

Mini 1895 mod:Shaziro Me town Kop town Kop wound up being replaced
- While in the game he posted detailed cases on people and engaged with other players. No activity issues. I scum read him.

Open 686 mod:MariaR Me townKop goon Kop vig'd N2.
- Showed up 5 days late to game. In the first 858 posts he had a grand total of 11. Never under any suspicion so no need to post a lot (or claim) I guess. Posts seem similar to those in this game. (shorter...less though and detail...less genuine) Apologizes for inactivity. I wasn't too interested in voting him because he was so absent.

Micro 761mod:Luck2UMe town Kop town
- 17 posts. Good posts. No activity issues. I townread him.

Open 707 mod:yessiree Me SKKop town
- 50 posts. No activity issues. I page 2 lolvote him but townread him much of game...until I was in SK self preservation mode.

I don't know what A50 hopes to prove by pointing out I played with Kop as an SK. That game has no bearing on this one. A50 appears to be pulling sh*t out of his ass (which I suppose is a good place to pull it from).

In addition to actually suspecting Kop post iso-ing him...I also am a fan of getting rid of deadweight early in the game so that LYLO, if necessary, isn't made more difficult by low content lynchbaity players. As for Kop's claim...I don't have experience with Kop claiming under duress so while I am still suspect of his game...I'm inclined to let him have pass D1.

So I'm back to being willing to vote either yurkin or Assembler. I'd vote koki as well because even though he has posted a decent amount...his posts and reasoning is bad. Either bad town or poor scum. So koki would probably by my 3rd option.

Actually...as

yurkin HAS TO BE DUE A MOD REPLACEMENT

I'd rather lynch Assembler (he sucks the life out of his player slots policy) or koki.

Also...Power Puff Girls...it's really getting bad. You are almost due another prod. Only 3 of you now and you're still almost as lurky as the lurkers. Can you replace out or disband and give this game to any of you that might give a fcuk? Perhaps the point one of you made about no one posting because you each expect someone else to post stands true and you'd be better solo.

VOTE: Assembler

[Momrangal]

You think we're in a pretty good place?
Are we looking at the same game?

The game where we have like, 2 replacements, half a game of lurkers and and likely at least one more replacement coming in

On day mother ducking one

is far from a good place.


Oedit:VOTE: assemble

[Momrangal]

Also I feel like we could go into a NL at three days in because we're missing like half the game.

[havingfitz]

You think we're in a pretty good place?
Are we looking at the same game?

Who's this directed at?

[Kop]

VOTE: kokichi

Fitz, would you cater to vote for koki?

[Kop]

@nero I voted for yurkin as a wagon that would give us a lynch.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Kokichi

[havingfitz]

VOTE: kokichi

Fitz, would you cater to vote for koki?

Phone reading. Thought this was from Hopkirk at first glance. Realized it was Kop after I moved my vote.

Anyway...Koki or Assembler are my current preferences.

Here's where I'm at...I would not vote any of these players today (doesn't mean I'm townreading them):
Hopkirk, Mom, A50, Nero...probably not Fuzzy w/o a good case. Probably not TPG for just this day.

Anyone else I wouldn't bat an eye.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: kokichi

Fitz, would you cater to vote for koki?

What is your read on Assembler/brassherald?

What do you suspect about Koki?

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.10

Kop (4)- The Powerpuff Girls, Nero Cain, Hopkirk, TheFuzzylogic99
havingfitz (2)- Almost50, Kokichi Oma
yurkin (2)- Assemblerotws, Dunnstral
Kokichi Oma (2)- Kop, havingfitz
Assemblerotws (1)- Momrangal

Not voting (2)- yurkin, Chickadee

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline suspended until a replacement is found.

Mod notes: Seeking replacement for yurkin.

[havingfitz]

Zzzzzzz

Gonna do some ISOs.
Only active game I have at the moment. Ironic....huh?

[Almost50]

Might aswell claim, because every ****** has a hard on for me. If I was scum, I'd be sure to be consistent in my play rather than play loosely.

Town Jailkeeper.

I tried to hint he might be a PR cuz that's how he plays it. but I wasn't 100% myself. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

Waiting for a VC + Hop thoughts

[Assemblerotws]

Might aswell claim, because every ****** has a hard on for me. If I was scum, I'd be sure to be consistent in my play rather than play loosely.

Town Jailkeeper.

I believe this for now. Would you mind sharing some more reads?

[havingfitz]

Spoiler: Koki ISO

50 posts. 5 votes (2 on me).

ISO#0...Votes me for overly defensive when I questioned and voted Hopkick for what turned out to be a joke post. meh
ISO#1...doesn't see any reason to think I am town. A bit close minded.
ISO#2..."Who had the worst opening?" Who cares? Kind of early in the game. Comes across trying to feel everyone out for who the best wagon to push would be. meh
ISO#3...asks Hopkirk to explain his reads. ok.
ISO#4...explains how I was "Overly defensive"...Not open to the potential I did not see Hopkirk's joke as a joke at first. As others have stated as well. Close minded.
ISO#5...debates with Hopkirk about his reads so early in the game. ok
ISO#6...more Hopkirk exchange. Asking him to explain his scum leans (of which Koki is one). ok.
ISO#7...giving me misguided attitude. smh...
ISO#8...reposts ISO#4. smh...
ISO#9...asks Chickadee why she is giving him a gut town lean. ok...good...
ISO#10...Asks Dunnstral to explain Koki vote.
ISO#11...asks Dunn a fair question. good.
ISO#12...makes decent observation towards Dunn and votes him. ok.
ISO#13...defends previous post ^^^
ISO#14...questions Hopkirk about his sr on Koki and not having engaged with him. good.
ISO#15...reiterates observation towards Dunnstral.
ISO#16...meh
ISO#17...Votes Chickadee in reaction to Chickadee's "scumpost" and vote on yurkin. ok.
ISO#18...asks Dunnstral for his opinion on Koki's Chickadee post/suspicions. ok.
ISO#19...debates Chickadee with Dunnstral. ok
ISO#20...debates Chickadee with Dunnstral. ok
ISO#21...still suspects Dunn...but Chick will be his vote for today. (not counting the later move to Kop and back to me I assume).
ISO#22...engaging with Hopkirk. ok.
ISO#23...lobbies someone (?) to vote Chick with him.
ISO#24...accuses Hopkirk of lying. Fair point as Koki seems to be engaging people. ok
ISO#25...reiterates scumread on Chickadee but "settles" for the Kop wagon.
ISO#26...states tr on Momrangel and why. ok.
ISO#27...explains Chick sr to Hopkirk. ok
ISO#28...pronoun fluff
ISO#29..."will respond to rest later" and mentions how Assembler is always AFK. meh
ISO#30...not 100% sure on Chickadee. meh
ISO#31...clarifying response to a Fuzzy post. smh.... ok.
ISO#32...clarifying response to a Chickadee post. smh.... ok.
ISO#33...explains Kop vote. ok
ISO#34...fluff
ISO#35...doesn't get my joke. Oh the irony.
ISO#36...asking people who they would like him to look in to. meh. ok.
ISO#37...calls yurkin content NAI.
ISO#38...theory...meh
ISO#39...theory...meh
ISO#40...asks why yurkin (the prod dodger) is being lynched. ok.
ISO#41...humor at A50 wrt koki defending yurkin.
ISO#42...votes me. Seems emphatically behind my wagon despite out-dated misguided flawed reasoning. pfft
ISO#43...believes A50 would misread him...pushes my wagon.
ISO#44...defends vote on me by pointing out I was his first SR. pfft
ISO#45...reiterates Kop vote was settling. ok.
ISO#46...reiterates vote on me is for being "overly defensive" and suggesting he take a closer look into yurkin...lol...smh...smh...
ISO#47...exclaims "Hop is town!" for some reason that is not clear to me. ???????
ISO#48...pushing my wagon. ok.
ISO#49...asks who is scum with me and Chickadee. ok

OK. I kind of think Koki might be town. I don't have any games with him iirc but his posts seem genuine. Even if I don't think he know's wtf he is talking about.

I also looked over TPG's ISO before doing the Koki one and decided I should do one on the person I was voting before someone I was leaning town on. result of TPG ISO was I still think they are probably town. Maybe that opinion will change or strengthen if that slot ever becomes more engaged in the game.

VOTE: Assembler

[Hopkirk]

I don't like the way Kop claimed and didn't say much else. Lack of engagement gives the impression the claim is to avoid a lynch.
However, I think it's too close to deadline to deal with Kop today. Needs more discussion before I can be comfortable with the risk.
Of course I'm always reluctant to lynch pr claims d1/risk adverse in that regard. A few games ago I unvoted my top scumread D1, voted someone else after they claimed a pr, then unvoted the second after they claimed pr. They both flipped scum eventually.

Will post more later.

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

[Kop]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

What did you not like?

There's one thing that I will say, and you can go through my previous games, I have never fake claimed a PR as scum, I have fake claimed VT as it's the most convenient, but never a PR.

[Kop]

VOTE: kokichi

Fitz, would you cater to vote for koki?

What is your read on Assembler/brassherald?

What do you suspect about Koki?

I can still vote for Assemble/Brass. I still don't like how he jumped onto TFL early on in the game, and Assemble hasn't really altered anything.

Koki, is just a weird one, I think I already covered Koki, I just didn't get any impression that tells me this could be town.

[Kop]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

And a part of me, thinks this vote is piggy backing what Hop said above. If Hop didn't specifically said what he did in the post above this vote, I don't actually think Koki would have said this.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

And a part of me, thinks this vote is piggy backing what Hop said above. If Hop didn't specifically said what he did in the post above this vote, I don't actually think Koki would have said this.

Piggybacking? Hop kind of made a case for not lynching you today. Which his comments evho my thoughts wrt your claim.

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

What did you not like?

There's one thing that I will say, and you can go through my previous games, I have never fake claimed a PR as scum, I have fake claimed VT as it's the most convenient, but never a PR.

Reminder: This guy says he scum reads me and wants me lynched, but is appealing to me.

[Chickadee]

Kokichi I think you're wrong here. Kop is town.

[Kop]

VOTE: kop

Don't like the claim.

And a part of me, thinks this vote is piggy backing what Hop said above. If Hop didn't specifically said what he did in the post above this vote, I don't actually think Koki would have said this.

Piggybacking? Hop kind of made a case for not lynching you today. Which his comments evho my thoughts wrt your claim.

The part where hop was aiming at not liking how I claimed. I just think koki expanded on that point and voted me.

I wasn't appealing to koki, I'd actually like to see his input as to why he didn't like my claim.

[havingfitz]

Spoiler: Chickadee ISO

32 posts. 1 vote on yurkin. Not voting atm.

ISO#0...RVS hello video. meh.
ISO#1...this post seemed a bit explanative for posting a video. I would think a quick salutation would be easier to post than a video if you were "running out the door."
ISO#2...says brassherald is using bad reasoning for TFL vote. ok.
ISO#3...a little TFL defense. meh.
ISO#4...only scum lean is Hopkirk's push on TPG. Likes my responses so far. ok
ISO#5...debates Hop on his TPG suspicions. Chick doesn't like it.
ISO#6...responds to TPG suspicions. Adequately imo.

@Chickadee...have you used videos in RVS before?

ISO#7...defends lack of RVS voting to Hop. ok
ISO#8...checks whether Hop saw Chick's replay to TPG. ok.
ISO#9...exchange with Hop. ok.
ISO#10...corrects townread adverb accusation to Hop. meh.
ISO#11...elaborates on her problem with the TFL votes. ok.
ISO#12...this post seemed a little out of no where. Showing frustration with Hop's questions and wanting to stop further dialogue with him. Not good.
ISO#13...elaborates on frustrations...tired of answering same question over and over. ok
ISO#14...calls Koki a town lean based on gut. meh
ISO#15...elaborates on Koki town lean in response to Koki asking why. ok
ISO#16...tr'ing Nero. meh
ISO#17...votes yurkin (2nd vote on wagon) for pressure. ok. Maintains vote through L-6 period and gets off wagon at L-2.
ISO#18...A50 joke and question to Momrangel. ok.
ISO#19...rl busy busy...will catch up later. ok.
ISO#20...reply to Kop. Explaining comments. meh.
ISO#21...points out Koki isn't voting her despite inferring he was. Which he had been at one point. Misunderstanding? meh
ISO#22...more of same from previous post. meh
ISO#23...asks for clarification in reply to Assembler yurkin shading post (403). ok
ISO#24...unvotes yurkin. Wants to look some stuff over. ok
ISO#25...activity theory chat. meh
ISO#26...corrects Momrangel wrt yurkin being hammered.
ISO#27...fluff
ISO#28...will consider voting Kop after iso'ing him.
ISO#29...Nope. Town lean on Kop along with Hop Dunn and Koki. Interesting town group.
ISO#30...null on me (feels like a downgrade imo) and not enough info on yurkin. fair.
ISO#31...tells Koki Kop is town.

Not a terrible iso. Not an iso that screams town either. Maybe a very slight town lean...ala koki. don't think I would vote D1. Needs less townreads and more scum reads (and voting them accordingly).