Changes to Normal Games (update September 2022)

[Not_Mafia]

I think it's still a good reference point for things that are considered actively game-warping roles as opposed to roles that are too new or obscure to be specifically whitelisted

[TemporalLich]

yeah... the Normal blacklist would be useful for listing roles that are definitely not Normal and would be game-warping if added... even if the greylist is never coming back (which it should imo)

Supersaint, Diplomat, and Day Vigilante would be worth considering for the Normal blacklist.

[Umlaut]

Another question: if an Indecisive (e.g.) Tracker is blocked from carrying out their action one night, can they attempt to target the same player the next night since they didn't actually take that action?

[usesPython]

Another question: if an Indecisive (e.g.) Tracker is blocked from carrying out their action one night, can they attempt to target the same player the next night since they didn't actually take that action?

No

Indecisive is a role modifier that restricts a power role from using its ability on the same target two nights in a row.

Even if the ability is blocked or otherwise prevented, its user still cannot pick the same target for the ability the next night.

Likewise, if the ability is redirected or deflected, the role's original target cannot be repeated the next night, but you can intentionally aim at someone you inadvertently aimed for the previous night.

[Umlaut]

I should try actually reading before asking questions sometime.

[TemporalLich]

Pre-determined setups should have a complexity label for more choice and information on the setup

[Skygazer]

Has there ever been any thought or discussion on making the Publishing modifier normal? I think it's a fairly cool mechanic that doesn't seem terribly abnormal to me... Granted it can be fairly overpowered depending on the context! It kind of eliminates the need for PRs to out after getting guilties which is kind of a big balance concern. And it would be one of the few sources of known-to-be-true info that town has. It probably would have to be paired with a 1-shot on stronger investigative roles or some other limiting modifier.

[Invisibility]

I like that modifier

[Umlaut]

Is it legal to use two or more names/aliases for the same role in a game? For example, giving some players the role of Vanilla Townie and others the role of Town Citizen. I would assume not but I don't think this is made explicit anywhere.

[Cook]

is disabler normal

(disabler is reverse enabler, while alive, disabler prevents roles of its type from functioning)

[Skygazer]

Not in the NRG but disabler would probably be a little too iffy for normal games considering someone who lands the disabled role will have no idea what's going on, I'd imagine.

If you want to emulate that mechanic in a normal game you could probably do a role with a useless modifier and make a backup of that role without the modifier. Like having a combined doctor-vig with a backup vig or something like that maybe?

[Umlaut]

0-Shot Vig and Backup Vig

[Invisibility]

are 0-shots considered normal lol

[Umlaut]

Maybe not (I'm really not sure) but you could get the same effect in a number of other ways, e.g. Night 100 Vig

[Invisibility]

N100 vig will help balance out the no lim and holster for 100 nights strategy

[Umlaut]

Does a Mafia Doctor Cop have a gun? I would say yes, because being a Doctor only negates the "factional gun," but I don't think the rules cover this case unambiguously.

[Flower]

Does a Mafia Doctor Cop have a gun? I would say yes, because being a Doctor only negates the "factional gun," but I don't think the rules cover this case unambiguously.

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

I'd rule it as a guilty since a Cop has a gun, it's pretty ambiguous though

[Cook]

logic here:

all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors)

= Mafia Doctor does

not

have gun

Cops

= Cop

does

have gun

[Cook]

Mafia Combined Doctor Disloyal Checker

gets you the same thing as a Mafia Coptor, except it doesn't show up to Gunsmiths. Drop the combined part if you want them to be separate.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Doctor Disloyal Checker

.

You have access to the Mafia's hideout, where you can talk with your scum buddies {SCUM BUDDIES HERE, IF THIS IS MISSING YOU SHOULD TELL ME} and submit your faction's one kill per night.
You additionally can send me the name of a player, prefixed by

CHECKER:

. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn if your check succeeded or not. Your check will only succeed on people who are not the same alignment as you.
You can also send me the name of a player, prefixed by

DOCTOR:

. Assuming no interference with your action, you will protect your target from kills the night you target them.
You may not do both of these things in the same night.

Your Mafia PT is {HERE, IF THIS IS MISSING YOU SHOULD TELL ME}. Confirm by replying with your role and alignment. You may also post in your PT and I will count that as a confirmation.

[Cook]

what's the normal status of geriatric rules

[usesPython]

what's the normal status of geriatric rules

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

• Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").

If it's done in the ruleset it's normal, if it's done by giving everyone a Post Restriction modifier it's not normal. I'd definitely announce it beforehand though

[usesPython]

There's also historical precedent with:

• Large Normal 212
  
• Open 715

[Cook]

are/should Earls (named townies that know they are named townies) be normal?

you can emulate them with an Informed Backup X, where the information is "You are a Named Townie".

[camelCasedSnivy]

Is a

Combined Neopolitan Backup Reporter

normal, where the neopolitan ability is used alongside a Reporter ability if a Reporter has died?

[Random Nurse]

Is there any way Serial Killers could be allowed back into 13-player Normal games?