Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Ankamius]

Hey all

I'll do my best to get caught up ASAP (by which I mean starting tomorrow as I'm heading to bed now). I'll try to post updates or other stuff in the meantime as I get to stuff that I want more information on.

[Ankamius]

Speaking of which, is this hydra one that's worth trying to get a read on?

[Ankamius]

Alright catching up now

[Ankamius]

Page 10 reads:

Almost50 is moderate-town
northsidegal is moderate-town

CheekyTeeky is light-town
Vecna is light-town

HeWhoSwims is null
ThetaAlpine is null
TheGoldenParadox is null
Archwing is null
ArcAngel9 is null
Creature is null
hebichan is null

RadiantCowbells is light-scum
Aronis is light-scum
Luna Nova is light-scum
Keychain is light-scum

Mathblade is light/moderate-scum

Yuurei is moderate-scum

[Ankamius]

I might need more sleep

My willpower is gone

[Ankamius]

You're welcome to ask about reads instead of passive-aggressively dismissing my methods

[Ankamius]

Can we not lynch until I'm caught up
Thanks

[Ankamius]

Here's the real question

Is it a spicy neighborhood?

[Ankamius]

Hmmm I just noticed that my role pm could be alluding that theres also potentially non-humans in the town

[Ankamius]

Math, it's not alignment indicative by itself, or really any indicative.

I think there's more going on than just human = town, werewolf = scum just by how things are worded, it's entirely possible that there's human scum too.

[Ankamius]

My two posts were meant to be side by side.

[Ankamius]

Oh Gawd

Mastina did you make Twilight?

I am going to work. It was a mistake to come back here. I feel like scum have an accurate idea what is going on and are laughing at me.

I'm actually really thrown off that I caught this and you haven't. Aren't you usually better at this sort of thing than me?

[Ankamius]

Chica I am a dude in second puberty going on like 3 hours of sleep for the second night in a row posting at the only times I can.

You’re lucky my posts are in English.

so basically me every day then

[Ankamius]

I'm back and depressed I just lost a Lylo for town I put all my attention into D:

I'm sheeping Creature until I trust myself again, may rep out but I'll sleep on it. Anyone feel like summing up the last 20 pages in a paragraph for me?

VOTE: TGP

what were your thoughts before you went into less active mode?

[Ankamius]

I don't agree to a species massclaim

It could just as easily out our strongest PRs or something else as much as not.

[Ankamius]

Scum are a much higher concern than non-human town, especially on day one where we have very little knowledge of the setup.

[Ankamius]

Like

When information pops up that make whether people's species is human or not relevant, then it's something to visit. Otherwise it's kind of pointless to speculate about.

The existence of a neighborizer that can only neighborize humans doesn't really fit under that umbrella since it has no direct effect on anything else.

[Ankamius]

I should probably get back to catching up

[Ankamius]

it's less to do with alignment and more to do with being human or werewolf, get it? that's why depending of what the mod says, it's important to make the massclaim and see if there is werewolves aligned with the town and policy lynch them.

in other words, if there's werewolves in "the Town", alignment has way less to do with anything. For example, as absurd as it sounds, if there is a human aligned with the "faction werewolves", we may not even need to kill them. All depending of how mastina replies my question.

that's...crazy...i know. but it's how i'm interpreting things here. species is just as important as alignment.

Statements like these are why I'm scumreading you

[Ankamius]

[*]

WIN CONDITION:

You win if all

Werewolves

are dead, and at least one

human

member of

the

Town

is left alive.

That's pretty clear to me

[Ankamius]

That's useless speculation without flips

[Ankamius]

If the conclusion is to ignore it until it's more relevant, then how is it not useless.

[Ankamius]

If the conclusion is to ignore it until it's more relevant, then how is it not useless.

it's relevant doesn't matter what, but not exactly now.

so basically you're saying to ignore it until it's more relevant

[Ankamius]

I'm not getting very far with catching up

[Ankamius]

Someone who's around, convince me on your vote?

[Ankamius]

Is that necessarily scum indicative?

[Ankamius]

Page 10 reads:

Almost50 is moderate-town
northsidegal is moderate-town

CheekyTeeky is light-town
Vecna is light-town

HeWhoSwims is null
ThetaAlpine is null
TheGoldenParadox is null
Archwing is null
ArcAngel9 is null
Creature is null
hebichan is null

RadiantCowbells is light-scum
Aronis is light-scum
Luna Nova is light-scum
Keychain is light-scum

Mathblade is light/moderate-scum

Yuurei is moderate-scum

You get so many reads within 10 pages. I have this scum thing for direct reads at early phase with no real reads.

It's not very hard; with my playstyle shift, it is a lot easier to get reads than refine them.

I think I slightly liked archwing? I'd have to look at my notes to answer for sure.

I haven't been catching up mainly because of a lot of stress getting dumped on me at once, I'm hoping it's mostly resolved now though so I hope I can get a bunch done tonight

[Ankamius]

I'll get the airhorns!

[Ankamius]

What makes you think my reads aren't real and that I haven't scumhunted?

[Ankamius]

RC is mean

Can I kick him out

[Ankamius]

I think you're cute Ankamius do you wanna have tea sometime

Maybe

But only if you help me get reads

[Ankamius]

My null list above mainly, but I'd also like to know if the weirdness I see in Yuurei's posting is playstyle since I'm seeing like 90% of their ISO up to the point I'm caught up to as scummy to some level

[Ankamius]

Page 10 reads:

Almost50 is moderate-town
northsidegal is moderate-town

CheekyTeeky is light-town
Vecna is light-town

HeWhoSwims is null
ThetaAlpine is null
TheGoldenParadox is null
Archwing is null
ArcAngel9 is null
Creature is null
hebichan is null

RadiantCowbells is light-scum
Aronis is light-scum
Luna Nova is light-scum
Keychain is light-scum

Mathblade is light/moderate-scum

Yuurei is moderate-scum

[Ankamius]

This player list isn't one I'm confident on being able to figure out very easily, so I think I won't be much help this game without outside help

[Ankamius]

I don't remember, I'd have to check my notes

[Ankamius]

Oh, it was because of how you worded a couple of your early posts.

[Ankamius]

I haven't noted anything since page three, no.

That's one reason I want to pick at your brain right now

[Ankamius]

RC I'm literally up to page 15 or something

If you start pushing and etc after that, then I'll probably be able to read it then

[Ankamius]

Yet here we are.

Is it more indicative of town or scum to be top wagon and silent?

depends

is the top wagon caught dead to rights or...?

[Ankamius]

dead to rights
To be caught red-handed, in the very act of committing a crime or error. It implies that there is no possible way for a person to explain away their mistake or crime.
We've got the Congressman dead to rights on accepting bribes, there's no excuse he can make.

[Ankamius]

Well... by your description, it's not dead to rights. If it was, silence would be a scumclaim. In this particular case, it's not really indicative of anything without other context to shape it.

[Ankamius]

I mean, why would town come back two times, clearly state that theyre refusing to read the game, but still think they have reason to be upset:

-About being voted (this page)
-About someone else (me) asking for people to vote for someone?

This seems like a very classic dear-in-the-headlights scenario to me. Theres not even any real indignation about them being town and being voted for bullshit reasons that I sense from the posts.

I distantly remember you catching me with this when I was town

[Ankamius]

Someone who's around, convince me on your vote?

So Mathblade is A. Making a really bad and probably fake? Counter claim and B. Trying to break Lunas streak of not being mislynched. Both of those things are bad and reasons to kill mathblade

Or C << I am an idiot. #mathFails

this is c. But not the c Mathblade is thinking. I've played with Mathblade before and most of the time math is pretty smart so this isn't right at all and is just a poor half hearted defense that needs to die.

How much experience do you have with Mathblade?

[Ankamius]

So you didnt think he has been extremely careless when people are softing stuff in this game so far Ankamius?

Also, are you caught up to the game? If not, why are you criticizing my push on Golden? Id like some thoughts/explenations there besides just random anecdotes.

What? What does the first paragraph have anything to do with my response or the past I responded to?

Also no, I'm not caught up. And what I posted was a bit of off the way in saying that I think you aren't catching scum with that reasoning, only playstyle.

[Ankamius]

So did Ankamius do anything while I was gone?

not really

[Ankamius]

tbh I doubt he's the kind of scum able to endgame if he ever reaches far in the game.

^

[Ankamius]

....I literally proved it before the day began.

I am in a hood with X other people and we vote to neighborize or kill. Hence why I wasn’t exactly the same. I townread some of the members but one of whom is raising my brows some. And if there are any others they are somewhere between town and null. I do not actively scumread anyone in my hood.

Hence why don’t think Luna is legit. The reason I unvoted is two fold 1) Keychain and others has a valid point about possibility and 2) I am busy prepping for a surgery I will have soon, getting a lot of personal affairs in order and working a ton of overtime to hit some dates. So yeah I am not pushing anyone. I haven’t fucking read anything new except this page. I joined this game as a favor to Mastina. Hell even as scum I am doing something but here I am not.

I asked the people with me in the hood to do something and if I am not tissue paper tomorrow it will be proven.

And Beautiful I am not a she you know this.

Because of my perceived alignments of the other players I did not believe Luna and still kinda don’t but do.

The other X people have crumbed in validation of this. I have to go but pushing this dichotomy is bullshit.

I am truthtelling and y’all fucking suck at reading me.

I am going to catch up at SOME point just not now.

I think this comes from town-Math. Not impossible that it's scum-Math but I'm not seeing why this play would be happening if he was scum.

[Ankamius]

Aronis, I was taking a bath, and I had the same idea...

Yup, this is multiball.

I have proof!

Luna and Math are both opposing scum, which is why math isn't putting down a vote.

A50 cumbed having extra information, and math said some of his buddies crumbed. A50 was also the one who first brought up multiball as a possibility.

MB said I was calling him scum, when I said third party, even though I never specified third party scum.

Vecna brought up the possibility of "non mafia wolves" from his role pm.

UNVOTE:

This needs to be discussed now.
We haven't been able to lynch two leading wagons who no one has put up a solid town read on because people keep flaking off them.


If this is the case, the teams look something like
(mathblade, A50, and one of swims or less likely vecna) vs (Luna, TGP and ???)

hebi

you're not looking very town

[Ankamius]

jesus

Aronis mason claim was a joke

Mathblade is likely town via how he went about the claim
Luna is plausibly town

mastina is known to use neighborhoods (and afaik likes them in games anyways, especially yes as a player), so I don't see why either of these is necessarily scum just by being claimed. Counter-claiming neighborhoods is almost as alignment-indicative as counter-claiming vanilla town.

[Ankamius]

afaik Luna is scumread for other reasons

I know a guilty was claimed but idk anything beyond that

[Ankamius]

TGP is easy to scumread

I saw him exactly once (that I know of) and I swore he had a non-town agenda behind all his posting

he was town

[Ankamius]

I'm probably going to cancel the catch up until I'm a lot more motivated to do it (basically when RL stops doing asspulls)

I have some reads from the present anyways

[Ankamius]

Ignore RC. He trolls all the time. I rather would like you to come up with your scum reads.

real life

[Ankamius]

Nos is probably town

[Ankamius]

hey I need

less

excuses for that, not more

[Ankamius]

ooooooh am I next on the fullclaim list?

lemme know when someone gets to l-2

[Ankamius]

Mathblade if your vote doesnt land on luna in the next 24 hours im doing everything in my power to get you lynched today you drunk scumbucket

My working theory/wildly crazy moonlogic is that Mathblade / Ankamius / TGP are scum, together with someone else (potentially creature). Now let this flip town to confirm my suspicions.

[Ankamius]

Keychain it depends on who scum are

[Ankamius]

Wasn't Luna Nova like counterclaimed or something?

Yes

I will get my thoughts on that, hold on

[Ankamius]

jesus

Aronis mason claim was a joke

Mathblade is likely town via how he went about the claim
Luna is plausibly town

mastina is known to use neighborhoods (and afaik likes them in games anyways, especially yes as a player), so I don't see why either of these is necessarily scum just by being claimed. Counter-claiming neighborhoods is almost as alignment-indicative as counter-claiming vanilla town.

[Ankamius]

Idk

Who's in nova

[Ankamius]

I kinda feel like I commented on the activity too but I can't remember

[Ankamius]

So what do you actually think is going on Math

[Ankamius]

Because this is looking like :LAZY:town lynch to me right now

[Ankamius]

Ok

Let's fix it

What are your thoughts on the current gangstas?

[Ankamius]

I wanted to write gamestate but that auto correct was too good to resist

[Ankamius]

Vecna could be scum

I'll get to you after I get home Math

[Ankamius]

And anyone who hammers in the meantime is getting tunneled tomorrow

[Ankamius]

Fuck this game

[Ankamius]

Yeah that hammer call was horrible

[Ankamius]

Ank is either scum, or would be dead if I was scum. If Ank is scum, Mathblade is highly likely scum with her.

Scum mustve noticed the crumbs if she is town. So if she's town, theyre hoping ill push for a mislynch. Or theyre really bad. But theres not enough really bad players left so we can rule that out.

RC are you scum?

How about you pay attention to the game around you.

VOTE: Vecna

[Ankamius]

Why that vote on me hebi? you really buy into Ankamius and creature's shenanigans there that my calling for a hammer is scummy? When it is extremely obvious the hammer was gonna fall there regardless and the day had lasted way too long already anyway? Because if anything it smells to me that either of them, or maybe both of them already knew it was gonna flip town and they wanted me to look bad for it.

Ank is either scum, or would be dead if I was scum. If Ank is scum, Mathblade is highly likely scum with her.

Scum mustve noticed the crumbs if she is town. So if she's town, theyre hoping ill push for a mislynch. Or theyre really bad. But theres not enough really bad players left so we can rule that out.

RC are you scum?

These two posts are independently bad.

[Ankamius]

Is this the part where I come in, take over the game, and chainlynch four scum in a row?

[Ankamius]

Not if I fight you for it

[Ankamius]

Who are your scumreads?

idk, I was just getting into being engaged with the game before the day got cut short

[Ankamius]

I guess I will try to catch up more later

[Ankamius]

Unless Math wants to start up that conversation we got very rudely cut off from again

[Ankamius]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

Quick question

I have a requested private PT; would your role pick that up or no?

[Ankamius]

or how about this Vecna

I finally had an opportunity to get invested into the game and start solving

and you immediately came by to shut it down

[Ankamius]

Ok

Let's fix it

What are your thoughts on the current gangstas?

I wanted to write gamestate but that auto correct was too good to resist

Lol in regards to the gamestate I just know something is wrong.

If the majority townread were right then scum would try to counter that somehow
If the majority townread aren’t right then scum would have control of the game to their advantage.

Like nothing happening is the gamestate atm which is confusing af.

Mainly my townreads all seem to townread each other so that seems good but at the same time I am deliberately avoiding stating townreads in case scum don’t understand the crumb of Math so like I think we are in a good spot.

What pisses me off and worried me a small bit is the apathy. It seems scum driven especially with 3 headed hydra receiving a prod.

Like if scum want me to be vocal so they can prop me up with all the wrong things I say but since I am not due to RL and other things then they may be scared of actually doing something accidentally invoking tunnel me?

That’s my fear atm.

Hammertime? Anyone?

you've been hard up my ass about reading things before posting before, so I don't see an issue of expecting you to pay attention to what's going on before making calls like that

[Ankamius]

I'm more pissy about it because my motivation evaporated overnight

[Ankamius]

(1937 was about other games)

[Ankamius]

we played Death Note, where I showed how ineffective I am even with good reads all game when I'm apathetic

Then biochemistry, which was right after that abomination undertale game

[Ankamius]

My favorite part about this game so far is that Vecna is thinking scum was planning on letting him and myself 1v1 today as a reason they would kill Almost50

You know... instead of Almost50 being pretty blatantly town. In a gamestate where killing the most town-looking people is a very valid, if not optimal choice.

[Ankamius]

btw that's not necessarily scummy, just hilarious

The contents of that post is pretty wtf though

[Ankamius]

ehhhh

Anyone want to give me a rough rundown on how a lot of these wagons throughout day one started? These VCs are hard to read and I'm not in the mood to isolate them all into bitesize chunks

[Ankamius]

RC knows I'm garbage when I'm conftown and don't already have a good read on the game.

If he actually believed that I was a mason, he wouldn't kill me. No way in hell.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Vecna

[Ankamius]

Vecna is in this weird spot for me in that what he's saying feels a lot like Death Note (town), but how he talks feels a lot like Biochemistry (scum)

[Ankamius]

FTR the other wasn't present in either game

I'd like to just write it off as town because I don't think I've ever liked the way he talks, but I'm hesitant to do it with this low level of confidence that I'm solving.

[Ankamius]

There's no reason to mass claim here

Masons shouldn't be outed this early if they exist
It gives scum a lot of info on potential targets and planning long term
Town doesn't have enough info to be able to decipher which claims are true or fake

[Ankamius]

yay sanity

[Ankamius]

there's a bunch of setup spec stuff in day one

I noticed there was a bunch of wagons too, so that's probably a really important part of the game to read, which is exactly why I didn't read 2/3 of it

[Ankamius]

you could just save yourself the time and make huge rows of posts calling me shit instead

[Ankamius]

Hilariously unbalanced 2 had an all town neighborhood

[Ankamius]

It's less you being bad and more how distracting you get when you aren't accurate

[Ankamius]

it's the same reason I like being scum against Wisdom

he's not a bad town player by any means (and tbf his reads are usually right) , but he tends to overpower accurate players when he's wrong and I find it hilarious

[Ankamius]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

I'd be either trying to avoid investigations entirely or not give a shit regardless of alignment

seriously, investigating me is almost never a good idea regardless of my alignment

[Ankamius]

I'm less sure about you than math, rc

[Ankamius]

Oh oops math was obvscum but I townread them for doing something really easy to do as scum deary me

The real problem with MS is that people see their own reads as absolutes instead of trying to consider how accurate their reads are on diff ppl.

I'm pretty certain I can read mathblade with time and engagement, the problem is that the engagement I was going to have with him was cut short by lolhammerXDXD

So no, the read is not confident, but I'm not willing to lynch him just because.

[Ankamius]

Math does well against people who aren't me in general: I put basically no stock in Ankamius and others' townreads there and you shouldnt either. I sat there reading new civ mafia with a 100% scumread on heis slot and didn't replace in despite wanting to because I thought it wouldn't be fair to him to just replace in and claim a guilty. Somehow despite bleeding scum all over the thread people had a low enough opinion of his town game to bring him until like really late in the game. I'll be Shaziro this game this is the only place my vote goes today, etc.

I have not misread math before and I don't read him off of him doing stupid things which is NAI: I read him off of the way that he conducts himself and talks to people and they squarely put the slot as scum this game. I am also certain that the people townreading him are going off of stuff that I consider too trivial and nai to even bother bringing into my read.

I don't like the culture of me having to declare a 1v1 to get my reads taken seriously but this needs to be today's Lynch and I'll ramp it up hard from here if I have to.

If that's seriously the metrics you read Math with, then you can convince me with them. It shouldn't be hard to.

[Ankamius]

Math -> aronis interactions feel like scum TMI townread

Could maybe be scum hard defending if they wanted to buddy up and endgame but meh. Also don't think aronis play around me is scum.

I could independently see this team for other interactions, but it's only relevant after one flips scum.

[Ankamius]

Anyways im getting carried away in this. Im not sure whether I agree with RC's reasons completely for going in on Math 100% as the lynch for today as this is scarily similair to town Mathblade and I honestly cannot tell the difference.

@Mathblade, you seem to constantly keep bringing up you told me that the soft was not for a mason, yet I cannot deduce how you can be certain. You are very certain though, but for us not in the know-how this could either be due to a scum plan or because some other mechanical reason.

You thinking everyone can read between the "mathlines" is a very faulty assumption. Just because you say stuff, historically speaking they aren't always accurate.

No one is always accurate.

I do not wish to highlight what I am thinking as that would give info to scum. If Ank says she is okay I will out my theory but I think it is really anti town to do so.

Only if you absolutely have to. I don't want it to be known until absolutely necessary.

[Ankamius]

I don't believe you're town for a minute

but you yourself insist that I can't catch you as scum so idk why you should be expecting me to read you accurately

I think I can read you accurately and that this town is just bad but town being bad is a commonality in most of my games so :shrug:

I wonder why

[Ankamius]

I mean

Your playstyle hard counters mine so I can hardly not be shit when you're in the game

[Ankamius]

Because it's kind of hard to read the gamestate properly when one person is doing NAI stuff and forcing people to follow regardless of their alignment

So yeah, what exactly do I do there

[Ankamius]

Plus your lynches tend to be very low information, so even if you lead three lynches on scum, then it's a crapshoot to find the ones left.

Is this the type of thing you're constantly seeing? Getting scum lynches and town can't close out? That's probably a big reason why.

[Ankamius]

So yes, you can call yourself an amazing town player all you want, you cause damage to towns when you pull this shit.

I'm fucking awful at explaining why I think people are scum but I figured out how to overcome that without having to brute force everyone onto my target, you can too.

[Ankamius]

in this game we have lynched 0 scum.

idc how much information mathblade lynch gives if it happens.

THEN SHOW ME WHY HE IS SCUM LIKE I ASKED YOU TO

[Ankamius]

I'm here sorry

[Ankamius]

RC what of Math's part games show what you're talking about the best?

[Ankamius]

maybe I'll get some reads at some point

[Ankamius]

idk how you haven't figured out I'm town yet but ok

[Ankamius]

that's fine

I'm probably going back into retirement before long anyways

[Ankamius]

it really only punishes you for not constantly learning and evolving how you play it

I try to push my scumgame to be better because my scumgame being bad doesn't make my towngame better because 90% of the site still can't read me for shit

so

[Ankamius]

I mean

I appreciate that you responded to my reach out and at least humored me

I'm sorry that I was harsh, I'm mostly just checked out of the game because I generally don't get very many opportunities in games to get invested into it and my first one was forcibly shut down

[Ankamius]

so here's my question to you

what do you think scum have been doing throughout the entire game so far

overall

[Ankamius]

my initial impression is that with how many wagons there were on day one and with how lazy the luna wagon felt by the end of the day, scum probably were in a pretty good spot day one

with how dead the game has been day two, scum are probably mostly lurking, potentially with one scum trying to townlead

[Ankamius]

pmatt

why do your posts feel weird?

[Ankamius]

idk

there's a nagging feeling that pmatt has an agenda behind what he's doing today

but it feels more accurate that it's a double town push rather than a bus

[Ankamius]

from what I know of matt, that assumes that the rest of his team is either in a very good spot or are competent scum themselves

[Ankamius]

idk RC

like, I can somewhat understand your mindset right now, but I'm not quite seeing it

I think something else is going on that you're not taking into account

[Ankamius]

Math actually tied everybody up in the basement of the hood first so they couldn't

That's why we've had so many replacements

[Ankamius]

Math do you think RC could be town

[Ankamius]

Math do you see why that logic is flawed

[Ankamius]

Mastina was directly asked about it, there's no direct proof that RC even can track the hood actions.

[Ankamius]

Probably because the hammer was so blatantly bad and ballsy as fuck that it probably wasn't scum

[Ankamius]

???

what are you talking about

[Ankamius]

I rseponded to 2558

[Ankamius]

read like the last page of day one, it explains why I don't care right now

[Ankamius]

anyway

RC is trying to deathpush mathblade

mathblade is in a neighborhood that can either neighborize or kill every night

a lot of the thread is inactive

hebichan is a PT checker cop

[Ankamius]

oh RC claimed to track mathblade to A50 I think

the main contention is that math is claiming everyone in the hood should be tracked as going to the target

[Ankamius]

The way I'm reading the game, probably the entire scumteam is outside those two

[Ankamius]

I don't actually have any strong scumreads right now, sadly

I was up Vecna's ass a while back for calling for a hammer when I wasn't ready to end the day yet but that read fizzled, I don't think he'd have kept posting like he has if he was scum in that type of situation

[Ankamius]

my initial impression is that with how many wagons there were on day one and with how lazy the luna wagon felt by the end of the day, scum probably were in a pretty good spot day one

with how dead the game has been day two, scum are probably mostly lurking, potentially with one scum trying to townlead

pmatt

why do your posts feel weird?

idk

there's a nagging feeling that pmatt has an agenda behind what he's doing today

but it feels more accurate that it's a double town push rather than a bus

from what I know of matt, that assumes that the rest of his team is either in a very good spot or are competent scum themselves

idk RC

like, I can somewhat understand your mindset right now, but I'm not quite seeing it

I think something else is going on that you're not taking into account

this is roughly where I'm at currently

[Ankamius]

not really, it's more a general feeling that his approach doesn't feel quite right

[Ankamius]

if I had to point to something specific, I only realized it after he pointed out the lynch mathblade->RC idea

[Ankamius]

VOTE: hebichan

idk

[Ankamius]

nico are you going to do something this game

[Ankamius]

Math was semi reasonable in police academy 1, the only downside was that he had two obvtown in his scum list.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Replace out

I'll stay if you can't find anybody for this slot within a couple days since you've been struggling with this, but otherwise this game is effectively ruined for me by now.

[Ankamius]

I will not humor you. Goodbye.

@RC

[Ankamius]

just confirming that I'm retracting my replace out

I'll be back tomorrow

good night

[Ankamius]

how come every time I look over Yuurei's posting, I get that same fake scum bs feeling from it

either I can't read yuurei at all or I'm the only one who's not getting fooled by their playstyle

[Ankamius]

Page 10 reads:

Almost50 is moderate-town

northsidegal is moderate-town

CheekyTeeky is light-town
Vecna is light-town

HeWhoSwims is null
ThetaAlpine is null
TheGoldenParadox is null
Archwing is null
ArcAngel9 is null
Creature is null
hebichan is null

RadiantCowbells is light-scum
Aronis is light-scum

Luna Nova is light-scum

Keychain is light-scum

Mathblade is light/moderate-scum

Yuurei is moderate-scum

huh. going through up to this point again and I don't really agree with this anymore

[Ankamius]

pretend TGP is green

[Ankamius]

Almost50/Luna Nova/TheGoldenParadox
--
--
CheekyTeeky/Mathblade/hebichan/northsidegal
HeWhoSwims/Theta Alpine/Archwing/ArcAngel9/RadiantCowbells/Aronis/Keychain
Creature/Vecna
--
Yuurei
--

[Ankamius]

I'd like to know that too

[Ankamius]

If you say the claim is town, you get slapped.

[Ankamius]

I don't get the impression scum are worrying this game

[Ankamius]

I don't get the impression scum are worrying this game

I don’t either. Especially with the RC shitstorm making me hella apathetic.

well

There's no concentrated pushes anywhere
There's no push to get people to contribute more despite how many people aren't active
There's wagons all over the place and have been on day one
The Luna lynch was lazy as fuck

what does this signal as

[Ankamius]

Plus general inactivity doesn't give me a good feeling that scum are just trying to muddy things up

I think it's a lot more likely that scum are just letting the game flow naturally

That means the game is likely not going in a way that benefits town

[Ankamius]

That said, can anyone point me to why they think Theta Alpine is scum?

[Ankamius]

I don't know.

This is the kind of game where I can't really get individual reads, but I can generally get a grasp of what the overall gamestate is looking like.

[Ankamius]

Almost50/Luna Nova/TheGoldenParadox
--
--
CheekyTeeky/Mathblade/hebichan/northsidegal
HeWhoSwims/Theta Alpine/Archwing/ArcAngel9/RadiantCowbells/Aronis/Keychain
Creature/Vecna
--
Yuurei
--

Basically... not really, no.

[Ankamius]

Yuurei is a case of every-post-looks-scummy-so-it's-probably-not-indicative.

[Ankamius]

progress to what

[Ankamius]

I hope so

scumreads are good to have in mafia

[Ankamius]

Ankamius, since I feel the general Yuurei-playstyle is a weakness in my game - can you point out where you think Yuurei's posts have been scum indicate, and why you think so?

What playstyle is that? Compare to other players if you have to, because depending on roughly what style it is, my read on him is either damning or useless.

[Ankamius]

cant really comment on the luna lynch but the rest of this stuff seems like more symptoms of other shit that's happened rather than scum being in a comfortable position (e.g. the RC-mathblade stuff demotivating people, multiple replacements, general inactivity, low content, lack of people trying to engage others, etc). this is the kind of will-sapping game i'm not going to look back on fondly after it's over and i expect the sentiment is the same for most people

The problem is that it felt this way since I replaced in, which was quite a while ago.

The Luna lynch didn't have any conviction behind it. There was the RC guilty (which he stated was a reaction test later and otherwise didn't seem all that into pushing the hydra into the ground), and then the Mathblade counter-claim, which I stated my opinion on already. I remember Math eventually coming around to believing that the counterclaim wasn't really as strongly indicative as he thought it did, so he wasn't hardcore pushing at that point anymore.

And then the wagon just...went through. No real push, just votes idly pouring in.

Despite the amount of information and general level of reads across the game, the game stalled.

That's creepy.

[Ankamius]

That's the awkward thing

Nothing Yuurei has said looked genuine to me

The general approach felt stiff and busy
The stuff that he commented on and the way he responded feels more like busywork than actual analysis or (scum/town)hunting
The tone felt off

[Ankamius]

That's basically why the type of playstyle matters so much.

If it's more a raw analysis type of style where every post is generally thought through before posting, then it's not indicative and much more likely a playstyle clash; it's plausible but it's still not to the level of like... MagnaOfIllusion or others with styles similar to his. I can't read that kind of thing since I don't think in that way.

But, if it's like Gorkington where it's more stream of consciousness and talking without a whole lot of forethought and planning first, then I'm probably reading genuine scum intent since it's easy to fake the thoughts but very very hard to fake a coherent thought process and tone with that playstyle.

[Ankamius]

I'm not sure how else to explain it without going into basically every post by the slot tbh

[Ankamius]

At least of the ones I've seen

It's mostly the ones at the start of the game and during the CC thing

[Ankamius]

in what sense

[Ankamius]

This game is going to be a wild ride

[Ankamius]

Oh...

Oh.................

[Ankamius]

Why are you asknig others for reasoning, but making it clear you dont wanna lynch Theta? If you know you dont want Theta at L2 you must have reasons for not wanting it there no? So then why are you asking others for reasons for why it is a wagon?

VOTE: Oath

Yeah that feels like scum that knows Theta is about to flip town

This is awful

[Ankamius]

Not mad, just taking Theta off of L2 for you.

Time for replacements to catch up is probably an alright thing if theyre gonna put in the work.

I do like your confidence though, lets see if you can actually back it up with anything of note. As a friendly hint; the effort is better spent looking elsewhere since im the obv-town boy in the room and your arguments on Math are gonna need to be very convincing to sway anything after the dickswinging that occured over the last 50 pages. Do with that what you will.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

VOTE: Vecna

[Ankamius]

I think I need to go back to refresh myself on how Vecna's posts feel in the past games I've seen from him just in case I'm biasing like I remember thinking a long time ago

[Ankamius]

Subject: Death Note Mafia (Game Over!)

Good day to thee, my fellow comrades. Time to kick it up a notch or two.

I have identified the scumteam and will now attempt to put myself forward as the town overlord-jesussaviour figurehead. Recognize my authority or get infected with nasty pickle-diarhea or something along those lines.

The first step on the path to town victory is lynching Ankamius. Lets go, chop-chop, no need to waste time.

VOTE: Ankamius

I will now sit here, hoping theres other people active during the same office times and im not sitting here talking to myself for the next 7 hours or so.

look at this guy

[Ankamius]

Nope, there's a massive difference between the two styles and this is the town version.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Vecna

[Ankamius]

I looked at a town game and a scum game, both of which I were in.

[Ankamius]

And yes I scumread him both games.

The tone and wording difference is huge though, I think this drastic of a shift to being able to fake the town version is unlikely in the time since the scum game.

[Ankamius]

tbf

Nico would just continue doing literally nothing regardless

[Ankamius]

Can you organize them for me too Titus?

[Ankamius]

I don't see a reason to not just believe it for right now

We can deal with it later if it isn't resolved in some way later on

[Ankamius]

It's a role outed on day two in a game modded by someone who has a history of having games with multiple non-mafia alignments

I don't think this is something we need to test until we have a reason to

[Ankamius]

Im pretty sure the way he described his ability is that if he effectively roleblocks someone, he gets a BP use. Scum would actually benefit from shooting him tonight since I kinda believe that he can only win with town. Vampires and Werewolves dont go well together, and I know that without watching twilight. Townsided BP roleblocker? Sounds like a pretty damn good target for a NK if they can prevent him from getting a BP use.

Then why would his role pm not just say town. This is a too good to be true scenario. If it's not town, it dies.

The fact you're stating this is the reason why

Make a strong town role look like a scum role? Pretty reasonable design

[Ankamius]

Or he just was not watching? Not everyone obsessess over votes like I do.

I still feel we should lynch Oath. Not town = die. I really just don't believe a "not town" claim that has town wincon.

BTW this was discussed day one and the general consensus was that this was definitely possible

[Ankamius]

I don't understand the pmatt wagon either

[Ankamius]

The fact that Math is making sense is scaring me

[Ankamius]

the points on projectmatt make sense

[Ankamius]

my thought process is:

I looked at them

thought "oh this makes sense" to each post

done.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Brian Skies

I had more to say but I lost it like 3 days into night so

[Ankamius]

I'd rather not, thanks

[Ankamius]

anyway

[Ankamius]

I'm town
Vecna is probably town
Oath is probably telling the truth
Hebichan can float on her claim for another day or two.
My general read of the game is that scum are mostly hanging back and letting town implode, which is supported by the projectmatt+Theta townflips. That means I'm not interested in Mathblade and Titus today.

So my PoI pool is this:

2. HeWhoSwims
7. Nosferatu
8. ArcAngel9
9. Creature
10. zMuffinMan
14. Gamma Emerald
18. Brian Skies

[Ankamius]

Btw I'm dead serious

Deathpushing on Mathblade today is very unlikely to result in positive town equity regardless of his flip. Stop.

[Ankamius]

Oh take HWS off for today too via hebichan

[Ankamius]

Just based on this, it's likely that there is scum in the neighborhood regardless of Mathblade since 3 of the 6 slots in that list are members of it.

Yeah, Math isn't dying today. Get off that wagon.

[Ankamius]

Jesus Christ

Can we not just start this shit with only three people weighing in on it

[Ankamius]

Oath is like 100% not town, that doesn't mean we should flip third party with no scum flipped.

I'm sure one of math or RC is scum but I don't know which. RC's tantrum makes it pretty clear they aren't the same alignment though.

This is NAI

[Ankamius]

CAN WE NOT

[Ankamius]

Wow Vecna

Fine, I'll spend today not giving a shit too. Good luck with whatever the fuck you think this will result in before ending on a really dumb lynch.

[Ankamius]

Y'all both are town let's work together.

No

This is the second time he's pulled that shit this game

[Ankamius]

Here's an idea Vecna

If scum already have things pushed where they need to go

Then I'm on the right track

Do you know what happens when I'm on the right track

[Ankamius]

Do you agree that it's likely there is scum in the neighborhood outside of Mathblade via gamestate

[Ankamius]

Do you know what that would imply if true