Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[hebichan]

I declare that I will declare in the future my intention to declare and declaration of intent to intend to vote on declaring placing my vote on the person I am going to declare later on in this thread.

[hebichan]

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EBWOP

[hebichan]

I declare that I will declare in the future my intention to declare and declaration of intent to intend to vote on declaring placing my vote on the person I am going to declare later on in this thread.

This post makes no sense. If you could just vote like a sane person, that'd be great

VOTE: aronis

ex[ecting me to post seriously in pregame

[hebichan]

....How do you steal a bunch of goats and poison dogs without being noticed?

[hebichan]

Oh, sorry, missed that, I was too busy being sad for doggos.

I did make that post as town, so your calculation on my range is off.

[hebichan]

No, bad almost, no mass claiming in pregame.

[hebichan]

It's not relevant?

I'm just genuinely curious because I love animals and I'm really sad and I hope whoever was responsible gets caught.

[hebichan]

Aronis seems weirdly combative for this early on in not even technically the game yet, from my previous interactions with him.

RC is RCing it up with trying to control the topic of discourse.

Most other people seem to be doing normal RVS shenanigans as far as I can tell so far.

[hebichan]

TBH, I think Vecna might rant about that happening as either alignment, specially pregame.

I'll treat it NAI.

p-edit: Finnne, I'll full claim, I'm a ninja strongman cultist./s

[hebichan]

Yeah, stop slamming us bastards.

[hebichan]

Hey Almost, when will you post something semi seriously.

We're past the honeymoon period in our relationship this game.

[hebichan]

this pregame.

[hebichan]

Where were you on the night of night 1 which hasn't happened yet, theta?

[hebichan]

Oh, sorry, missed that, I was too busy being sad for doggos.

I did make that post as town, so your calculation on my range is off.

Did you think I was scumreading you?

You said I wouldn't make that post as town.

That implies you think I'm scum or third party.

I was gonna ignore it, then you decided to be all, "Gimme attention Hebi-sama!"

[hebichan]

I am not overlooking your existence anymore RC-chan.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Swims

Getting to friendly for someone I've never played with.

[hebichan]

I object!

[hebichan]

VOTE: swims

That post last post has so much wish wash logic its actually hard to parse, and the vagueness of "why these arguments" feels like you're trying to force content.

Votes here till something worse comes by me.

[hebichan]

Tbh yuurei looks the worst on this whole joke post deal. The rest seems kinda early game bullshit, but if I'm forced to take a read on it, its scumlean yuurei, town tgs, town mb.

[hebichan]

They both seem to scumlean each other a bit. I was thinking if those leans are elaborated that means yay discussion yay reads yay it's easier to take a stance on your/my read on the duo because mine is pretty neutral at this point although I think Math is looking into things too much (reread/joke motivations)

Rc, I know you're being all super smart and gamesolvey over there, but can we just lynch this?

This is a whole lotta text to say next to nothing.

[hebichan]

Why is yuurei lock-town to you?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Swims

Getting to friendly for someone I've never played with.

Is this an RVS vote?

Posts before like 150 or 200 were before the game thread even opened up. My second swim vote was real though.

[hebichan]

Awww lol! I suspect he was conf bias. Remembering that game makes me happy NM isn't here. Actually Hebichan, I replaced you and got vigged by NM. You were very awkward town there - saying overtly scummy things but you seem pretty standard town here. I especially liked you picking up Aronis' fake seriousness pregame. Why do you think the two games are so different?

I had lost interest that game due to multiple semi meta arguments I had no basis to read and about 25 pages of content that had appeared while I was at work.

Then we couldn't get a lynch.

The less content I have to read before I make my first post the better off I'll be, I have a low tolerance for hundreds of posts before I actually get to the game.

[hebichan]

i find funny how some players waited until other people had said a lot (while they themselves hadn't said anything remotely relevant) , then come to the thread now and begin casting shade. opportunistic. too opportunistic.

scumleaning hebichan just for that, although i find valid the point that she made about hws.

i'll look more in hws i suppose (i'm starting to collect data of him), an interesting side fact about hws is that he has a lot of scum games already, so if you want to collect data on his meta you've plenty of samples to do so

VOTE: hebichan

I didn't really wait, I was at work. I'm not sure what the amount of time I spent before I started posting content has to do with the fact I'm posting content.

[hebichan]

Reasons to lynch Luna nova:
They're a hydra
They're anonymous
They have more than 2 heads
They're rude
They're mean
They might be scum
Some of their heads are lurking

This isn't hard to see guys, they need to die

Decent reasoning, I just feel worse about swimming, who not only looked bad, but then went under the radar once a wagon formed on him.

[hebichan]

We'll see what happens.

At the very least, curious to hear what he has to say about the game now that there's actual movement.

[hebichan]

I'll promise the same if you manage to get luna to l-1.

[hebichan]

RC is town.

[hebichan]

So your slot if town is rude as fuck and I kinda hope you’re scum.

herbichan
CheekyTeeky
PSG
Aronis
Luna Nova

Pretty sure he's townreading

herbichan

[hebichan]

And RC is doing it based on policy since he 100% knows he can get away with it in this playerlist.

I was waiting before and was willing to wait to evaluate his anaylsis. But the nature in which he voted us is so off.

Ursula

That's actually how RC has played the last few games I've played with him, threaten everyone voting on him. I think it's town RC, though it could be NAI from him. IDK, haven't seen scum RC in a bit.

[hebichan]

Neither of which is out of range of town RC?

This is exactly how he acts in all his games recently.

[hebichan]

I'm not saying RC can't be scum, I'm saying I don't see it yet and there are much better lynches day one.

If we have issues where we flounder around with RC trying to be a major voice in the game, then we lynch RC.

[hebichan]

How is he distancing though?

He's owning up to it being a policy lynch. I don't think anyone can really think otherwise, and we all know he's still scumreading creature.

[hebichan]

So what hebi, you townread me if I don't do shit and if I try to do things you lynch me?

No, I townread you if we get lynches through and you're a major voice of the town.

I scumread you if you're voice of the town and we can't get a wagon to go off, or if you sit back and let someone else take over.

[hebichan]

since when am I scumreading creature? he's town his reads are just awful and the way that he engages makes me not want to play the game.

I guess that's fair.

Okay, we know you want to vote him, is that a better way to phrase that?

[hebichan]

That's not what I said, please stop putting words in my mouth.

I would lynch you because I respect your town game.

[hebichan]

TBQH I don't really see why you're up in arms about me bringing hypothetical situations where I would vote you when I am at the same time defending your blatantly scummy posts that I only townread because they are coming from you.

Like, oh yeah, there are situations where I would vote RC. Who freaking know.

[hebichan]

TBQH I don't really see why you're up in arms about me bringing

up

hypothetical situations where I would vote you when I am at the same time defending your blatantly scummy posts that I only townread because they are coming from you.

Like, oh yeah, there are situations where I would vote RC. Who freaking know.

EBWOP

[hebichan]

Just stop being super defensive when there's only like.... one or two votes on you?

People get voted on, it's gonna happen. Especially day one, especially if you're an active player day one.

[hebichan]

Hey MODDDY

Can we have a VC, pweaseeeeee?

<<< Sure, 485. >>>

[hebichan]

Also, creature, talk to me, where is your head at?

[hebichan]

Huh? I'm not a hydra.

Turn to phrase.

Just asking what you're thinking at the moment.

[hebichan]

Wow, rude.

[hebichan]

more people vote on swims till we complete the ritual summoning.

[hebichan]

VOTE: swims

That post last post has so much wish wash logic its actually hard to parse, and the vagueness of "why these arguments" feels like you're trying to force content.

Votes here till something worse comes by me.

By this logic this very post from you is you trying to force content. Can you elaborate on why HWS post is/should be considered suspicious while yours isn't/shouldn't be?

Because I was forcing content to progress the game state. Swims post did nothing to actual further any discussion that wasn't already beaten into the ground.

[hebichan]

If you can't see the difference between HWS not even formulating reads on what he was discussing and basically not even take a side in it, and me placing a vote with reasoning, you are beyond helpless.

[hebichan]

I agree with most of that list, might need to see a bit more from definition orr TGP to say them for sure.

Though definition should certainly have more posts as a three way hydra.

[hebichan]

Oh wait, no, they aren't a hydra. Thought they were.

Uh. Ignore me.

Still wantm ore definition content.

[hebichan]

Why is everyone trying to evaluate my pregame joke post.

It was pregame.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Theta

Theta/Swimming/Keychain

It feels plausible to me, at least for now.

Still want swimming to post.

[hebichan]

I mean, yes. Those are the things that would put you in dead thread night one.

Can I ask where the AA9 push came from? It seems rather unnatural here.

[hebichan]

TBH I found some of angels posts really bad early on, but at first it seemed like most people were fine with them.

Then all of a sudden, pages after her worst posts there's a sudden interest in lynching it.

[hebichan]

Why the sudden tone shift RC?

I asked an honest question, and instead of answering, you decide you want to lynch me.

I'm not against an AA9 wagon based on content, I'm asking where it came from.

[hebichan]

I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to respond to that. I feel like I'm on a roller coaster.

[hebichan]

Is A50 role crumbing?

It feels like he is.

If you are, please keep it in your pants for now.
……………………

Creature, for us in the town pool, what would you have us do that we aren't?

[hebichan]

Oh well, my reads are good but the rest of the town is doing bad

This post.

[hebichan]

I don't know, I think the two people on the AA9 wagon might still be there?

[hebichan]

Is A50 role crumbing?

It feels like he is.

If you are, please keep it in your pants for now.
……………………

Creature, for us in the town pool, what would you have us do that we aren't?

Hey stealing my phrase is a scum claim. (Joke I townlean hebi atm)

And no one answer the A50 question. It could lead to more pants dropping.

Sorry, meant that as a rhetorical question.

VOTE: TGP

[hebichan]

Is A50 role crumbing?

It feels like he is.

If you are, please keep it in your pants for now.
……………………

Creature, for us in the town pool, what would you have us do that we aren't?

I'm neither confirming nor denying it (being a PR), but I'm genuinely wondering where you got that from, because I don't think I so much as hinted anything regarding the matter.

If you're specifically referring to me wishing I could say/ask what I want, it

was

a hint alright, but not of my own role.

No comment.

[hebichan]

zzzz this game is busy but like, not a lot has happened per se.

VOTE: NSG

Not really feeling NSG scum. Wanna explain that?

I kinda agree though.

I don't think her posts are that stellar honestly and the only thing I really could call town is the reaction test thingy with Keychain.

And same - I'm not feeling an Arcangel wagon at all.

Are you feeling anything?


Seriously, even with tests these posts are

There's so many slots doing this crap though between angel, swim and TGP, that they can't

all

be scum, but I'm having a hard time which of these is scum and which is bad town.

[hebichan]

telling which of these are scum*

[hebichan]

Probably Swim still, since he seems to be flailing the most.

I feel like with all these lurkers and low effort posters it's going to be hard to separate out a better scum player from just people giving out content right now. It's hard to judge motivations for posts without flips to make associations here.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Swim

[hebichan]

I was gonna say that.

Looking through the player list there's like 6 people with almost no posts, and we can bump that to about 8 or 9 if we include people who made most of their posts in pregame.

And probably around 10 if we include people who have posted with mostly "I'll make reads later".

That's a full wagon full of people we've basically have no idea where their heads are at, or if they've even read most of the game.

[hebichan]

Don't remember being agitated over an accusation ever being a textbook scumtell.

He's barely engaged with me after I called a lynch on him multiple times.

I meant flailing as in making posts that don't give a solid read rather than being agitated.

[hebichan]

Further, swim hasn't made a vote, likely because he doesn't want to be associated with a bad wagon. He's not scum hunting at all.

Being new just means scum tells are more obvious.

The only other people not voting are creature (for reasons?) and an alt with an entire 1 post.

[hebichan]

I dunno, I expect some sort of reaction when you have 4 votes on you.


Not anger, but like, acknowledgement that people are scumreading you?


Anyhow RC, I looked through some of Swims's past town games and he seems way more confident as town than he sounds here. If you want to look through yourself I'll move on if you aren't satisfied.

[hebichan]

What makes you think hes town?

[hebichan]

last few days? Games only been on for 3 days.

[hebichan]

Ive done some digging through his old games and im not completely sold on my own conclusion anymore.

Seems he can put up quite decent walls of bullshit that have a decent'ish appearance (viewtopic.php?p=9808705&user_select%5B% ... 4#p9808705 for example)

That's what I was talking about, did the same thing. Like I said, he seems a lot less convicted here.

[hebichan]

I'm definitely not -unhappy- with a TGP or NSG lynch here, I just feel like there's a lot more on swim *right now*.

I'm finding it hard to evaluate all these lurker slots.

At least I have a lot more solid town vibes off vecna now.

[hebichan]

In fact, I strongly encourage people to get on one of the two leading wagons.

[hebichan]

VOTE: NSG
Not freaking going and let the wagons keep splitting like this.

[hebichan]

Only reason I moved to it is cause it kills all the momentum on swim wagon to have half the wagon just up and leave.

I really hate we can't even seem to get up to 5 votes on a person.

[hebichan]

Not yuurei, but vecna trying to seemingly relieve pressure on NSG while never really being on her wagon for being "polite" seems kinda superfluous and weird given the rest of his post seems to be more conventional scum hunting.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Luna nova
Whatever, yada yada, if they flip town we lynch RC, yada yada.

[hebichan]

I want everyone who is not voting to vote. Now.

Can you vote on one of the two people who will be lynched today?

[hebichan]

i get the feeling that things aren't going to turn out so well.

If both flip town, you're third.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Hewhoswims

fuck it all.

[hebichan]

That't…. honestly completely valid.


VOTE: luna

[hebichan]

I'm still mad at all gambits.

They put a sour taste in my mouth

[hebichan]

I feel like at least some of the townreads on me early on mighy have been scum buddying, but not sure which yet.

[hebichan]

Well everyone scumreading TGP can't be scum, so who in particular do you think is scum in those actively scumreading him?

[hebichan]

Wait, you're scumleaning me and the person I've been pushing all day and would still support lynching if there wasn't a horrible reaction by luna?

Do you think Swim and I could be on the same team?

[hebichan]

last 20 pages...

Luna made a scumslip, luna and mathblade both claimed neighborizors of different fashions.

[hebichan]

I'm more interested in the mathblade v luna thing here and I feel we got a bit distracted.

Understandable, but we don't have role flips (and my role gives nothing to add to this conversation personally).

[hebichan]

I guess the question really is, do you think luna scumslipped?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Hewhoswims

lets gooooo.

TBH I have no idea whats being lynched and I'm pretty good on lynching Swims-luna-TGP in that order.

[hebichan]

Someone who's around, convince me on your vote?

Swims shifty as fuck and hasn't taken a hard stance all game.

[hebichan]

I mean, both of the two top wagons are tied and neither of them are talking. I have no idea how to feel about it.

I'm not really feeling this day anymore. Though that might be the exhaustion I'm feeling talking.

[hebichan]

But, here's the part I disagree with Theta.

Why is knowing someone is neighborizor useful? I think most everyone else has agreed that all this role talk between them is NAI, true or false.

[hebichan]

Sure, but it doesn't mean its useful if we don't know the alignment of the player holding it.

[hebichan]

Yuurei is pretty town, any suspicion I had was lost like pages and pages ago, its why I refuse to really debate their scumread on me too hard.

The fact momentum on luna and swim is like impossible to get once we reach high numbers on either of them is annoying. I get I switch on them a lot, but so is everyone...

Not sure RC is completely consensus townread, though I do, so meh.

the three places I'm willing to vote haven't changed, so meh. Still not feeling theta, just seems like bad town reasoning about role speculation.

VOTE: Luna

[hebichan]

Oh, I thought math said he wasn't sure, and a bunch more were null on you.

As far as I know, only yuurei scumreads me as well. So *shrugs*.

[hebichan]

I don't know what you're asking either nos, but I think that Luna had a very good chance of slipping there.

I don't think the fact they're a hydra has much bearing on it, other than one head messed up and one tried to cover for the other.

[hebichan]

if you read the vote count, you should know that luna currently is the larger wagon after I moved my vote.

[hebichan]

Still not feeling theta, just seems like bad town reasoning about role speculation.

I assumed this was about theta saying that luna being a hydra made the whole fakeguilty business make sense.

Was I wrong?

Oh no, it was mostly about theta saying neighborizor should be kept around so we can use it, even if we don't townread the slot.

It's an easy mistake to make that utility roles like that are more important than lynching well.

[hebichan]

Welcome.

Also Nosferatu, regarding my scumplay, I've only had one good scumgame and it wasn't with you.

it was "all the hits upick"

I also was scum in the walking dead season 1 and mass effect mafia. I can't remember any other games where I was scum.

if people want to compare my scumgame to here.

You also seem fairly okay with working with me here despite me and cheeky being your biggest scumreads outside luna.

[hebichan]

I think it was day one in walking dead and day 2 in mass effect (although to be fair in that game my only partner was MIA for the entire game)


Point being, my portfolio is pretty small for people who want to look at it.

[hebichan]

Maybe, only town I'm really certain on is like.... me, you, RC, and maybe yuurei atm.

Feels like I'm back at square one in a lot of ways.

[hebichan]

How do you feel about ank?

[hebichan]

Also it would look really awkward if I was agressive about my reads and then I was wrong

Why?

[hebichan]

What do you think about Vecna?

Vecna's in the range I expect of him as town, I know that's sort of a dodge of an answer, but that's currently my thought on it.

[hebichan]

Also it would look really awkward if I was agressive about my reads and then I was wrong

Why?

Why what?

People don't read that hard into town being aggressively wrong, so why are you afraid of being direct?

[hebichan]

UNVOTE: Luna Nova

why?

[hebichan]

Mathblade, that role sounds extremely third party.

[hebichan]

You're in a neighborhood with a bunch of other people who haven't confirmed this, and you can kill or join people in the neightborhood, how does that not sound more like a cult than a town role to you?

[hebichan]

I'm not even sure why you fullclaimed. We were already lynching your counterclaim, you weren't pushing them, and I've gone from nulltown to being vastly confused on what your play is here, and who the hell designed that role if its real.

[hebichan]

Aronis, I was taking a bath, and I had the same idea...

Yup, this is multiball.

I have proof!

Luna and Math are both opposing scum, which is why math isn't putting down a vote.

A50 cumbed having extra information, and math said some of his buddies crumbed. A50 was also the one who first brought up multiball as a possibility.

MB said I was calling him scum, when I said third party, even though I never specified third party scum.

Vecna brought up the possibility of "non mafia wolves" from his role pm.

UNVOTE:

This needs to be discussed now.
We haven't been able to lynch two leading wagons who no one has put up a solid town read on because people keep flaking off them.


If this is the case, the teams look something like
(mathblade, A50, and one of swims or less likely vecna) vs (Luna, TGP and ???)

[hebichan]

I mostly need to discuss it with RC before day ends.

[hebichan]

If this is the case, the teams look something like
(mathblade, A50, and one of swims or less likely vecna) vs (Luna, TGP and ???)

are you implying that there are two factions in this game?

Yes.

I wouldn't be if A50 wasn't both in MB's "neighborhood" and the first to bring up the possibility.

IF you're in a non aligned neighborhood with its own kill... why are you bringing up multiball?

[hebichan]

A50 why multiball specifically?

because the mod is Mastina and when you tryb to out guess her you are going to end up disappointed 99% of the time.

Is A50 role crumbing?

It feels like he is.

If you are, please keep it in your pants for now.
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Creature, for us in the town pool, what would you have us do that we aren't?

I'm neither confirming nor denying it (being a PR), but I'm genuinely wondering where you got that from, because I don't think I so much as hinted anything regarding the matter.

If you're specifically referring to me wishing I could say/ask what I want, it

was

a hint alright, but not of my own role.

[hebichan]

fine

radiant should be around by day end anyways

but really multiball is something we discuss once either 2 nightkills happen or scum is nightkilled or two scum factions flip

as for mathblades claim
wow that is actually probably the closest you could get to having a cult without making the game bastard

We already know 2 nightkills is possible from MB's claim.

[hebichan]

at face value, I would have left it, but between the claim, the reaction to me saying the claim was weird, and A50's ISO, I have a REALLY strong feeling here.

Like, I was the one who said the exact same thing you're saying here the last time it was brought up, but this is really weird.

[hebichan]

Why would MB as town full claim his* super sus role under no pressure when we were never voting him today?

Why doesn't MB want to lynch his counter claim?

Why did MB fullclaim with no intent to pressure -ANYONE-?

Why would scum mathblade claim?

To explain away second night kills more easily.

Why would A50 imply multiball randomly.


Why any of the things they have been doing?

[hebichan]

Hmmm I just noticed that my role pm could be alluding that theres also potentially non-humans in the town

I just hope it doesnt mean the werewolves get to turn humans into wolves

I agree.


Based on these posts by vecna though, maybe MB's role is town?


I'm still mystified on what the hell MB was thinking.

[hebichan]

But why is town math not voting on Luna?

Transparency is a shitpoor excuse to give up a PR like that.

[hebichan]

I did, I still think just go V/LA without saying anything and just let the rest of the game reach a wagon.

[hebichan]

VOTE: luna

[hebichan]

That makes even less sense nos.

[hebichan]

Like, maybe I'm willing to put it off as a bad town decision made during stress, but its still incredibly bad.

[hebichan]

I don't think my role is a counterclaim... so I'm just gonna risk my neighborhood by saying they crumbed and fullclaim, and also just full claim this really odd role.

[hebichan]

If this is the case, the teams look something like
(mathblade, A50, and one of swims or less likely vecna) vs (Luna, TGP and ???)

are you implying that there are two factions in this game?

Yes.

I wouldn't be if A50 wasn't both in MB's "neighborhood" and the first to bring up the possibility.

IF you're in a non aligned neighborhood with its own kill... why are you bringing up multiball?

I am not aligned to any neighborhood. I am just trying understand if people are implying math is scum because he claimed neighbour hood and luna counter claimed and aronis claiming masonizer. This is damn confusing to me.

I am not derping, I am not able to follow the logic here!!

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were a part of the neighborhood.

It was a hypothetical question.

[hebichan]

Aronis, I was taking a bath, and I had the same idea...

Yup, this is multiball.

I have proof!

Luna and Math are both opposing scum, which is why math isn't putting down a vote.

A50 cumbed having extra information, and math said some of his buddies crumbed. A50 was also the one who first brought up multiball as a possibility.

MB said I was calling him scum, when I said third party, even though I never specified third party scum.

Vecna brought up the possibility of "non mafia wolves" from his role pm.

UNVOTE:

This needs to be discussed now.
We haven't been able to lynch two leading wagons who no one has put up a solid town read on because people keep flaking off them.


If this is the case, the teams look something like
(mathblade, A50, and one of swims or less likely vecna) vs (Luna, TGP and ???)

hebi

you're not looking very town

That's fine, I'm not trying to look town, I'm trying to solve the game.

[hebichan]

We've had two counter wagons.

TGP and Swims, I'm fine lynching either of them still

But no one wants to push those.

[hebichan]

Also Mathblade didn't claim neighborizor, MB claimed vig/neighborizor democracy.

[hebichan]

Yeah, and what have you done nos?

you've defended a hell of a lot but what are you pushing?

Just Luna. Kay.

[hebichan]

Not on day one.

We need a flip, and while I think everyone I'm pushing in those three is highly likely scum, town flip is better than no flip.

[hebichan]

Luna- Swims or A50 maybe cheeky

Swims- Keychain, Luna

TGP- NSG

[hebichan]

Not on day one.

We need a flip, and while I think everyone I'm pushing in those three is highly likely scum, town flip is better than no flip.

that makes sense. Are you arguing that me pushing luna is bad or not?

I'm not saying you pushing anyone is bad. I'm saying I want you to push more instead of just defend people, because being like "they're town" isn't helping.

If "these are town" who are scum?

I'd rather you come here and give reads or just not post than get these one sentence dismissive posts from you.

[hebichan]

Because you're still here, and for seemingly no reason but to derail anything going on.

If you aren't pushing anyone, and your reads haven't changed, and the lead wagon is still one of your reads...

What are you engaging for?

It doesn't feel like a protown motivation, its just noise.

[hebichan]

In general?



What are you trying to accomplish by posting in this thread????????????

[hebichan]

Nos is probably town

I agree, just incredibly frustrating.

[hebichan]

Basically that's my problem, whenever we get close to a lynch its "eh... not feeling it anymore"

or someone full claims.

Or something.

[hebichan]

Youbare aware 81 was rvs?

[hebichan]

Wait no, 81 was before the game started.

[hebichan]

Gonna guess TGP was vigged there.

I can 100% say that hewhoswims is town.

VOTE: vecna

[hebichan]

Assuming math is town, I am town and HeWhoSwims is town.

What do people think are the most likely scum?

We have at least three scum and at least a few are not lurking.

Given all that, where do we think scum might be?

I need to look at some vote counts quick.

[hebichan]

Aronis did quickhammer town, is that something he does as scum?

[hebichan]

Look, I'm just figuring out how to evaluate this game because my three biggest scumreads were all town.

UNVOTE:

[hebichan]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

[hebichan]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Yuurei

[hebichan]

Aronis claimed you're his mason buddy.

confirm/deny?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Yuurei

explanations

even more when you had already retracted your scum read on me.

do you want me to do in details of why Aronis is fucking things up here?

It'll only benefit scum but I'm so pissed that I can do it right now.

that was yesterday.

Today is today.

I have no idea what the fuck aronis is on.

My scumreads are in you, vecna, RC and ank.

[hebichan]

why can't you understand that all the people I was hard scumreading were town?

Given that I have to look at the vote record, and between you voting me and all around only voting town yesterday, I don't know what else to tell you.

I didn't particularly strong town read your play yesterday, and I'm trying to revulate what happened. If you want me to stop voting you, get off this aronis bullshit and help me figure out where scum actually is because you don't seem to actually scumread him that hard.

[hebichan]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

Quick question

I have a requested private PT; would your role pick that up or no?

asking the mod

[hebichan]

I kinda just preempted the HWS thing, both because hes an easy mislynch given my misread and also he is a lurker.

I also didn't want to be called out on flipping on HWS out of the blue.

[hebichan]

My initial gut when I saw all my scumreads be town was scum vecna.

VOTE: vecna

Nothing vecna has said has made that change.

[hebichan]

Aronis, I'm not calling you scum, I'm trying to get any sort of read here.

I have one confirmed town and its a freaking lurker.

Did you really claim an investigative this early in the game?

I'm a PT checker.

I could have hit a mason or Math's neighbors or scum, or lunas pt if she somehow survived.

So yes, I happened to hit like one of the few people in the world without a pt.

Quick question

I have a requested private PT; would your role pick that up or no?

asking the mod

@hebi: did you get an answer on this?

Oh yeah, sorry, meta hoods don't count, not hydra or requested ones.

[hebichan]

I mena, you're assuming that mathblades group is going to vig?

[hebichan]

And also that the vig wasn't one shot.

[hebichan]

"based on activity" That's pretty NAI though?

Like town cause they post a lot is shit.

[hebichan]

No, not really.

Also ank was the one who asked about personal PTs RC, not Nos. But I know that ank always makes personal PTs as well.

So *shrug*

why do you townread arcangel or nsg nos?

[hebichan]

Since im not too familiar with Hebichan - how large do you think the possibility that a scum Hebi could ever be convinced by her teammates to inno on HWS?

Like, the scenario works quite well both ways. Town Hebi makes a decent ammount of sense to be scanning HWS to gain more intel on the third option of yesterday.

Scum Hebi would also be the prime candidate to fake an inno on an important teammate (power-wise) to save it, given hear near unanimously townread status. Im guessing 15 players left alive, of which 4 most likely being scum is quite a decent cut-off point where scum -could- get away with it.

Im not saying this at all because I think Hebi is scum, but in a world with a PT cop, and a mason softing Ankamius (who is feeling somewhat town'esque to me by now) some prodding there does feel slightly warranted.

My issue here is ank asked if a personal pt would proc my ability, why ask that if you had any sort of pt that would?

It's like trying to set up a fakeclaim retroactively.

[hebichan]

it's weird that theta gave up her scumread on vecna with no explanation for the purpose of pushing the lynch between mathblade and aronis, in spite of never mentioning these players as possible mafia in her iso.

in fact, she mentioned early on that she thought mathblade and aronis were town.

my reads are rather sparse right now but i am confident that aronis and creature are town

from what i can tell ankamius cheeky hebichan and mathblade are town

there is not a logical development of reads.

vote: theta

i'll keep reading of course, but pressure doesn't hurt.

???

Why isn't a logical progression of reads?

its lit just "I think these two groups of people are town"

It's not really a progression at all.

[hebichan]

Okay, yeah, it really sounds like a phoned in school essay than a thought on the game.


VOTE: Theta

Though, I can see theta's scum buddies really wanting to bus him here, so I'm not ready to call matt town solely on that post.

[hebichan]

I'm not ready to put any certainties on anyone but myself and HWS.

[hebichan]

IDGAF RC.

You being scum together isn't out of the question, neither is her being scum pocketing you.

Her read means nothing to me. We still have 3 scum, so I'm still paranoid about the gamestate.

[hebichan]

We already lynched your big push yesterday. It was town.

[hebichan]

I'm not calling you scum.

I'm calling you not a strong town read.

I literally said I am not considering anyone town in response to them saying matt is town for the theta read.


I'm also not discounting your reads altogether, i'm just not holding them above the seeming town consensus that theta looks scummy, and the fact that his last post WAS that bad.

[hebichan]

There's a reason I'm not voting RC.

[hebichan]

I'm of the mind of if there is scum on theta wagon, its nico or matt.

I'm not sure there is scum on the theta wagon at all, mind you.

[hebichan]

VOTE: mathblade

welp whatever then.

[hebichan]

Is it bad I don't have an opinion?

I am like 90% sure RC is making a shitty gambit, but I'm kinda numbed down here.

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

Hey, RC, who are the 2-3 wolves who aren't math?

[hebichan]

Okay can someone tell me if this game is worth reading or if it's just this same ego fest the whole time
Because I don't want to read 100 pages just to read people try to bolster their own egos

This game was fine till RC decided to fakeclaim on mathblade.

Since then its been rather dull.

[hebichan]

Here's what you need to know Muffin.

HeWhoSwims and I are town

RC claimed a guilty on Mathblade via saying mathblade visited A50 last night

Mathblade claimed a neighborhood with democracy powers where they can either recruit or kill someone each night.

Mathblade is now claiming neighbors.

Everything is terrible.

[hebichan]

Oh and also half the game has been replaced since RC decided this is how we were going to play this.

[hebichan]

It was brought up awhile ago. I also think RC is town but lying.

I'm just having a hard time evaluating mathblade here.

I also think Mathblade brought up awhile ago that he didn't want to out any of his neighborhood cause he thought they were all town early on, which which seems pretty scummy to me to suggest that on day 1. IDK though.

Mostly I'm trying to figure out who is scum with MB.

[hebichan]

I never said you changed you claim.

I meant "you are now claiming a few people are your fellow neighbors."

[hebichan]

I dunno, we have at least 3 scum and I'm confused as to where they are.

[hebichan]

So scum redirected off math onto other scum?

Like, im really confused where all this talk of a redirector came from

[hebichan]

I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.

+1

[hebichan]

VOTE: Mathblade

I think this is scum, but hoooo boy am I on the edge on wanting to vote RC policy wise.

[hebichan]

Almost50/Luna Nova/TheGoldenParadox
--
--
CheekyTeeky/Mathblade/hebichan/northsidegal
HeWhoSwims/Theta Alpine/Archwing/ArcAngel9/RadiantCowbells/Aronis/Keychain
Creature/Vecna
--
Yuurei
--

Regardless of my alignment, HWS shouldd be cleared.

[hebichan]

Also

UNVOTE:

I wanna see what RCs replacement says

[hebichan]

VOTE: Theta

till we wait on replacements. I still feel its a safe scum slot.

[hebichan]

keychain isn't a terrible lynch probably.

[hebichan]

To be fair to Gamma, I've misread him several times in the past because of the same things.

He's prone to vague callouts without hard reads.

[hebichan]

I don't remember gamma beign scum in any game with me, but it does remind me of the many town games I've had with him.

[hebichan]

I find the second pretty easy to believe.

Town enthusiasm is low.

[hebichan]

That said, can anyone point me to why they think Theta Alpine is scum?

no, I just want the game to progress.

[hebichan]

hopefully scumreads.

[hebichan]

If @2945 And I have cased people too as scum. I get called “honest” and “no way Math is scum” after I do. That is not relevant to the point.

it's super relevant. you're saying that i unvoted theta and then revoted them to make it look like i was thinking without actually having to do it, right? that logic falls completely flat since i outlined my thought process and my logic. clearly, thought was put into what i was saying. the argument just doesn't. work.

<< You’re arguing because you wrote a thought process that it is truthful, that you’re town. That is exactly what I do as scum. Your point is you’re town because you cased someone is crap.

@2946 Again it’s not “ego” it is me admitting my flaws and noting my concern. It’s exactly what Mastina did in Civ Mafia. I am trying to be better.

let's put aside the ego thing. my problem is simply that your logic is bad. i don't know/care how paranoid you are about being manipulated, but if youre town in this circumstance, your paranoia about being manipulated has made you out some questionable and super poorly thought-out logic.

Only person who seems to think it’s poor is scum. So pretty sure I am a-okay with that.

Nah, I think you've been poor for awhile.

I just don't know how to sort you.

Realistically we should really be super careful with your neighborhood, because scum can easily just slowly take it over and then shoot people with it.

[hebichan]

Titus.

Titus, please claim.

Now.

[hebichan]

Cause your slot claimed a guilty on Mathblade.

[hebichan]

i would have cried if titus claimed a guilty on math but this time it was a watcher claim

I'm still crying cause I still think one of them is scum

[hebichan]

We have three wolves at least and flipped none. All tgis diddling really should come down to everyone getting a three person lynch pool and everyone converging on a single person.

UNVOTE:

Oath just stop pls.

[hebichan]

Stop trying to get people to lynch you.

[hebichan]

Because letting you get nightkilled is better than lynching you.

VOTE: mathblade

I am good with lynching the mist probable scum in that neighborhood. Kinda paranoid of scum having two nightkills.

[hebichan]

Mine is

Math, theta, ???

[hebichan]

Okay, lets pretend yesterdays recruit was scum pulling in scum, and that happens again tonight and suddenly scum have majority in the pt, see any issues yet?

[hebichan]

I was scumreading math independent of tge fake guilty. Voting my scumread in the neighborhood is still optimal.

[hebichan]

Didnt like how math claimed with little prompt, dont like math prematurely callinv his hood a town block, I dont like how cagey math is being.

As for why hood lynching is optimal,
1. We have an unclaimed vig if maths claim is real, since math claimed his hood didnt kill last night. Its set up spec, but if we have a vig and a 100 percent town vig neighborhood, that feels weird.

2. Unchecked absorby vig neighborhood can easily become a second scum kill and we would just lose right there.

[hebichan]

Yeah math claimed his neighborhood can either recruit or kill every night. He claimed they recruited last night. However there were two kills last night and one of the kills was heavily scumread.

No one has claimed vig afaik.

[hebichan]

Whats the difference between being scummy and a playstyle issue?

[hebichan]

Whoa, whoa.

Its not impossible for you to have killed A50, just it was impossible for RC to track you to it and only it.

[hebichan]

Hey MB.

What's your role name?

[hebichan]

And you guys are certain you have no idea what happened with TGP?