Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Theta Alpine]

Players

Players

:

1. Luna Nova (
   Anonymous 3-headed hydra
   )
   
2. HeWhoSwims
   
3. Almost50
   
4. Theta Alpine
   
5. Definition
   
6. TheGoldenParadox
   
7. Archwing
   
8. ArcAngel9
   
9. Creature
   
10. CheekyTeeky
    
11. RadiantCowbells
    
12. Vecna
    
13. Mathblade
    
14. Aronis
    
15. hebichan
    
16. Keychain
    
17. northsidegal
    
18. Yuurei

Spoiler: On Reserve (as replacements)

1. Ankamius
   
2. mhsmith0
   
3. Nosferatu

Spoiler: Alive (18)

1. Luna Nova
2. HeWhoSwims
3. Almost50
4. Theta Alpine
5. Definition
6. TheGoldenParadox
7. Archwing
8. ArcAngel9
9. Creature
10. CheekyTeeky
11. RadiantCowbells
12. Vecna
13. Mathblade
14. Aronis
15. hebichan
16. Keychain
17. northsidegal
18. Yuurei

Spoiler: Dead (none)

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD MOD.

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Current Gamestate

Status

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Confirmation Stage

ftfy

also wow you have improved that quite a bit since mod is mafia

[Theta Alpine]

in the dead thread [hopefully not true]

[Theta Alpine]

oh okay

i doubt we will need the votecounter this game

[Theta Alpine]

hey look the game actually started

i could get behind a lynch on luna
VOTE: luna nova

someone please explain the hebichan wagon

[Theta Alpine]

ok, so we're going to lynch someone that we're not confident in being scum just because they are scum reading you and who you think that is town?

do you guys have that much confidence that you are right and not for example Luna? we're only in page 18, is everyone perhaps planning to lock reads this early? if you will probably change your reads later on, why lynching someone because they haven't the same early reads as you?

it's so arrogant that i'm even taken aback in playing this game. i wanted to vote Luna before, but not for these reasons.

i'm slightly enraged at this kind of behavior, so instead of pointing things out as usual, for now i'll do something else in my free time, because if i force myself to try it now i'm for sure badmouthing anyone that is in Luna wagon without truly scum reading the slot

the unique thing that i feel obligated to comment is that i for real had forgot the existence of some players, that doesn't only apply to her but a good example is Theta. she apparently lurked out real good, comes to the thread, ask about hebichan wagon (in other words, she didn't read the thread at all) however even without apparently reading, votes Luna stating that "she could get behind it". She hasn't even apparently read the thread, and when she shows up she hasn't anything to comment on or point out, finalizing with support in a Luna lynch even without knowing the reasons.

This is the kind of thing that hurts town the most if she's not simply scum.

VOTE: Theta Alpine

okay i think i should clarify something

my question about hebichan was more of a statement that the votes on hebichan were baseless
i have actually been paying attention to the game
just have not been able to post recently [will do better now though]

[Theta Alpine]

if i am in the dead thread night 1 it would either be a lynch dayvig or vengeful kill

and yes my lurking is different this game
since i have actually been busy irl
and also d1 is usually pretty annoying for me

[Theta Alpine]

If the people that are still largely unreadable due to activity levels, would do some stuff so we can get more reads and end this day early....thatd be kinda nice.

yeah sorry about that

i promise i will be better now

having said that what are we even doing right now

[Theta Alpine]

If the people that are still largely unreadable due to activity levels, would do some stuff so we can get more reads and end this day early....thatd be kinda nice.

yeah sorry about that

i promise i will be better now

having said that what are we even doing right now

In other news Theta had time to reach and catch-up and just instead of expressing any opinion asks what’s going on. Theta can die.

if i had had internet maybe

and what i did read was just confusing
how many potential lynches have we gone through at this point

[Theta Alpine]

oh you were in scientific
i was wondering where i had played with you north

[Theta Alpine]

yeah that probably is not the best representation of either of our games
town pulled through that game
and i sat back and tracked a claimed pr

[Theta Alpine]

radiant what is your role called

[Theta Alpine]

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

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alright i think i might actually be able to read you so UNVOTE:

i do not agree with some of the reasoning for luna being scum
the imo thing for one is explained by the fact that luna is a hydra
as in that heads opinion

[Theta Alpine]

it might be a bit before the elation from winning a game cools off and i am able to post without talking too much about said recently concluded game

GET OUT OF HERE.

FA is scum.

Wait! WHAT? Theta = FA????

who is fa

pretty sure that was just a mistype
the letters f and t are pretty close to each other

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you know i just realized definition has been in one other game and it was a newbie

so
yeah not a hydra

and for actual content
the wagons on both tgp and luna are rather odd in how they developed

though the fact that there was a fake guilty on luna does explain part of that
also i think creature is literally just voting the counterwagon because it is the counterwagon

it is somewhat odd that even with 2 weeks left in the game we are kind of at the 2-wagon stage
i am a little worried that town just kind of failed to get any cohesion or agreement on anything and the fake guilty in the middle of that probably will not be something we could easily recover from

so
honestly we might as well end the day so at least we will have some sort of semblance of what is going on tomorrow
i do want to give ank a few days to read the game though
so i will give

intent to hammer

p-edit
well nevermind that then

[Theta Alpine]

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

[Theta Alpine]

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.

however, do people fall for that trick though?

on evens its more likely to work since people confuse half to lynch and majority to lynch
ah well

luna is at l-1
do not hammer without giving intent and letting luna claim

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: Theta

sure.

i have no idea what to think right now

i will say this
my role hints at non-human members of the town as well

i do not want to elaborate right now though

[Theta Alpine]

oh right i was going to reply to that

something along the lines of you always do this radiant

[Theta Alpine]

so being human or not isn't as much alignment indicative as we thought?

interesting.

hmm i suppose my role could also refer to non-town humans now that i think about it
maybe a human sk exists

[Theta Alpine]

all of these questions are fairly useless until we see another wincon flip

[Theta Alpine]

i am trying to figure out what exactly happened with regards to math v luna
having a counterclaim retracted is a little odd but in this case is probably nai

as for having two similar roles in an 18p setup it is definitely possible
definitely not used to having to ask these questions day one though
the thing about a neighborizer claim is it is easy in theory to prove though it is also nai as far as roles go

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: hewhoswims
for reasons other people have stated

[Theta Alpine]

Luna Nova is probably flipping town, but what I can do?

vote someone people agree is scum

very interested in seeing if there is any opposition to hewhoswims as i do not recall anyone saying he was town

[Theta Alpine]

Well why not Luna where I think I still am?

because their claim is at least somewhat useful if true regardless of them being town/scum

[Theta Alpine]

my reads are rather sparse right now but i am confident that aronis and creature are town
i am fairly confident that almost50 and radiant are town
from what i can tell ankamius cheeky hebichan and mathblade are town
then i have a lot of null reads
and i think tgp and swims are scum right now

[Theta Alpine]

well it is
that and it is fairly easy to prove so if they are lying we will figure it out

[Theta Alpine]

getting to create a neighborhood is useful if town controls who gets in

[Theta Alpine]

(I'm feeling like I'm undead) (Also how's mastina the third top poster?)

have you seen what she will do to get a pagetop
also the sheer number of posts at the start of the game

not that i am complaining
both of those are relatively good things

p-edit
it is town to scum

[Theta Alpine]

long story short
radiant likes to mislynch me

[Theta Alpine]

well depends on the flip and the night kill

[Theta Alpine]

well in this case that would be a heavily doubted claim due to there being two neighborhoods already claimed

[Theta Alpine]

you know what
i am ready for this day to end
we are getting nowhere and we pretty much have decided on the lynch so
VOTE: luna nova

l-2

p-edit
not exactly
math claimed to be in a neighborhood which voted on two things
what person they would target
and whether they would kill or neighborize that target

p-edit 2
it is not a serious claim

[Theta Alpine]

fine

radiant should be around by day end anyways

but really multiball is something we discuss once either 2 nightkills happen or scum is nightkilled or two scum factions flip

as for mathblades claim
wow that is actually probably the closest you could get to having a cult without making the game bastard

[Theta Alpine]

i was saying in general but anyways
you were suggesting that they were the second faction

[Theta Alpine]

multiple werewolf factions is a faint possibility
but any non-werewolf faction is not anti-town based on the vt wincon

[Theta Alpine]

But why is town math not voting on Luna?

Transparency is a shitpoor excuse to give up a PR like that.

because math has irl reasons not to play the game right now

you did read his posts right

[Theta Alpine]

Everyone less activity (not V/LA) for a dr appt and RL today.

I am hoping to come back to more content than I know what to do with people. Let’s get some talky talky up in here.

[Theta Alpine]

although math
v/la is not necessarily no access
it is limited access as well

[Theta Alpine]

The biggest problem of this game is the pace. I am losing track of things as the game is progressing.

and this is why i want a lynch

town fell apart

[Theta Alpine]

math claimed to be in a neighborhood which voted on two things
what person they would target
and whether they would kill or neighborize that target

here is a tldr for maths claim

[Theta Alpine]

i do not know about having a n0 action though

[Theta Alpine]

aronis was trying to fit the neighborize part in

[Theta Alpine]

Oh so when it's multiball factions are aware of each other?

usually you can guess when your team is way too small

[Theta Alpine]

Gonna guess TGP was vigged there.

I can 100% say that hewhoswims is town.

VOTE: vecna

Wasn’t us.

Our group recruited instead. It was a good shot though IMO.

almost50 was torn to shreds so they would be the wolf kill
i would say that we have an sk instead of a vig though from the flips and claims we have had so far

Woah, there was crumbs going on in day 1?

But what is the purpose of crumbing in day 1 in the first place? Of course it make your claim more valid afterwards, but is it worth the risk of scum noticing it and killing you?

Anyway, I still want to lynch Theta over Vecna probably. I even remember that Vecna posted something that suggested him not being a wolf.

yes
there were in fact a lot of crumbs
mostly spurred on by the quirk in our wincons and other small facts that have yet to be disclosed

[Theta Alpine]

ah right forgot about that

more likely a vig then

let me reread vecna again and see what i think about that

[Theta Alpine]

okay i am up for a vecna lynch

VOTE: vecna
you have been pushing for a few mislynches throughout the game including tgp

p-edit
huh
you know the thought of maybe scum have two nightkills actually crossed my mind
tgp would have been a great cover shot for that ability

p-edit2
if you had asked me yesterday i would have said yes
now that we have had flips though town can recover so it would be against my wincon to self-vote

[Theta Alpine]

um no

extra night kills throws that off

[Theta Alpine]

I'm near 100% that at least one scum started in a hood, mastina thinks in terms of unintended consequences and if the hood always vigged and the neighbourizer was lynched D1 the pt cop becomes a full cop and I also think it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's a town neighbourizer, town vig, then s hood with only town that can neighbourize and vig. Maybe if the other kill ends up being a serial killer but I'd expect knife flavour.

Phone posting sucks

How are you doing key?

they would not be full cop unless the pt cop got invited to the hood and thus would know where the false positives would be

speaking of which that probably is a good idea math + other people in that hood [although i am not certain how much longer hebi will survive after that claim]

flavor spec the second night kill was --found shot-- which does not seem like a wolf kill but i would not be certain that it is a town controlled kill either

logically there should be at least 1 scum off the wagon in {Creature, key, yuurei, nsg, arcangel, ank}

so what's the deal? I townread to some degree all of these people. Did Luna's wagon strike you guys as a particularly scum-driven wagon?

true
though creature is starting to be lurky and that scares me

lunas wagon was not scum-driven
it was town giving up on that day being useful
i personally made the wrong play there and should have pushed for my own lynch that day since i personally believed luna novas claim
and i am also fully aware that i have been used as mislynch bait in a few other games [specifically mod is mafia] and getting that out of the way day 1 would have helped

my definition thing was silly
i should have noticed it was a soft but got a little confused and somehow thought they were that hydra instead
and then when math pushed me on it i could not really explain it without giving away the fact that it was a soft

hebi + masons on its own makes sense by the way
more false positives for their ability

setup-spec wise though
masons + cult-lite + neighborizer is pretty over the top and scum would have to have a lot in order to make up for it
the fact scum could get an additional kill through maths neighborhood helps balance it out somewhat but not enough

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the last mastina game i played had daytalk as well
but that was mod is mafia

that said
luna nova and almost50 had access to their pts at all times

and ooh

mastina

would almost50s jail warden passive have triggered a positive for a hypothetical pt checker

[Theta Alpine]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

[Theta Alpine]

have you considered the possibility that the personal pt question was made on purpose

....A mason wouldn’t give two shits about being investigated.

If it is to dodge investigation which I doubt then Ank would be scum.

However Ank isn’t a player to be investigated. Sorry but true.

Nice try. I caught you red fucking handed pushing bad mechanics.

I gotta go but RC needs rope. Badly. No way RC makes that mistake as town. He is better.

a mason would care about scum not thinking they were a mason though

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UNVOTE:
this is probably between aronis and mathblade now and i think vecna is more likely to be town at this point anyways

so on the one hand i scumread aronis but i also do not think my reasons are very good
on the other hand i townread mathblade but i also know he can pocket me to an extreme extent

aronis lynch gets a good bit of associatives with other people but not a game-solving level
mathblade lynch gets a few associatives but i am pretty sure math is fairly good about not being associated with his team [the whole cult-lite thing also throws a wrench into associations from math]

aronis lynch proves whether the [almost certainly joke] claim about being a mason is true
mathblade lynch gets the mechanics of cult-lite flipped or reveals that it was a lie if that was the case

aronis if town is decently good but honestly a little distracting
mathblade if town has less then a 50/50 chance of having almost perfect reads and has bad reads the rest of the time

aronis if scum - i have not played with aronis scum before [or i forgot about it] so someone else tell me
mathblade if scum can usually pocket most of the town with a few exceptions and yeah radiant would probably be one of those exceptions [the cult-lite claim also prevents the claimed investigative from being able to inno/guilty him]

finally i do not know what the difference in aronis scum/town is since as far as i can recall i have only played with town aronis
and i also do not have the capability of knowing what differences in mathblades play are alignment indicative or not yet

[Theta Alpine]

Vecna has me as town the whole fucking game

Then the -moment- I jump onto Mathblade all of a sudden he's unsure and thinks RC Aronis (which makes no sense) is a contender because he has a paranoia scumread on me and this is like pages after he said my wall had erased any doubts he had on me. Now he's calling math and me both town and pushing elsewhere.

vecna scum math town is also possible in this scenario though
and i have been more sure of vecna scum then math scum throughout this day

so i will VOTE: vecna again [honestly not sure why i unvoted earlier now]

[Theta Alpine]

i get the feeling you might be fake claiming but oh well

VOTE: mathblade

[Theta Alpine]

UNVOTE:

radiant please full claim with specifics or tell us it was fake

mastina

if a hypothetical neighborhood gets to vote on an targeted action that is made during the night without having to specify who performs the action then what would happen in the following two scenarios
- if a tracker or equivalent role targets a member of the neighborhood
- if a watcher or equivalent role targets the player that the neighborhood targeted

<<< Answered in 2415. >>>

[Theta Alpine]

i reserve the right to be as toxic as the MS ruleset allows me to be if this game continues for another 24 hours.

this is disgusting.

as an aside to this
radiant you should understand that some people are paranoid and will not vote with you just because you are almost always right
if you are town then the best play here is to convince people that you are actually telling the truth
people are not going to just follow you blindly

[Theta Alpine]

there is a faint possibility that action redirection exists
you had claimed already day 1 math so a scum bus driver switching you and whoever was responsible for the kill would have been a good move

having said that i am not really sure if the recruits and redirection roles would have actually been put into the same game
and i did give radiant a chance to back out so VOTE: radiant cowbells

also in a scum math situation why would he have claimed a power role that can night kill and then do the night kill for scum

[Theta Alpine]

we would not need the full hood to claim
even one more person claiming would lend the needed credence to bury any suspicions of mathblade having made up the claim [not saying i do not believe math just that some people may not]
alternatively just waiting a night and seeing if there are three kills tonight

however assuming maths claim is true
if radiant flips town tracker/equivalent role then math is probably town [and we learn that a role that can tamper with results/actions exists]
if radiant flips town villager or any role other than tracker then math might be scum or might not [other night results will help with solving the game at that point]
if radiant flips scum then math is probably town [and we learn that someone else in his hood is probably scum and scum want to take the hood for the extra night kill] [or possibly that scum were able to see the softs and just want the hood to die but at any rate if scum do not know who else is in the hood then i highly doubt they would want their main avenue of contact with the hood to die]

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f radiant flips town tracker/equivalent role then math is probably town [and we learn that a role that can tamper with results/actions exists]

no.

assuming I get lynched, and I will flip tracker, you are lynching mathblade tomorrow.

there were in fact two conditionals to that statement
the other conditional was mathblades claim being true
if mathblades claim is actually false then by all means we will lynch math

however if mathblades claim is true then as i understand it you should have gotten two results instead of one
the fact that you only got one would mean in a situation where mathblades claim is also true that a role that can tamper with results/actions has to exist

[Theta Alpine]

[in addendum to my previous post]
either that or the hood tried to recruit almost50

[Theta Alpine]

mathblade was a claimed power role
a tracker can as a strategy target them to confirm power roles without counterclaims having to be made if necessary
so radiant would not necessarily have thought math was scum beforehand

[Theta Alpine]

the detective thing was flavor from my understanding of one of radiants posts

[Theta Alpine]

radiant spams a lot
i kind of tend to ignore him usually

[Theta Alpine]

oh that explains a lot

radiant you noticed the aronis mathblade interactions earlier and though math as scum knew aronis was town
but math also thought his hood was a masonry so that would explain the interactions

so either aronis/gamma and math are both scum or maybe radiant you are wrong
radiant you also know that if someone commits two actions and you visit them you see both targets
and as mastina said earlier and math clarified everyone in the hood performs the action so no the night kill would not override the hood action

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VOTE: arcangel9 [for reasons explained in the p-edit]

alright there are three primary redirection roles

a scum bus driver would not drive two scum members
best use case in that situation would have been swapping a known pr with the person doing the night kill [for the sake of brevity referred to as the killer after this]
or swapping someone with the night kill and adjusting the shot accordingly [which brings up the interesting question of how a trackers action would be resolved if they tracked the killer in that case][although in this case if math was the target of the redirection then the only way radiant can get that result was if almost50 also targeted math and thus himself and math would still more likely be town or possibly a traitor in this case]

a deflector would have deflected any actions targeting the killer to another person
if mathblade was the killer then whoever it got redirected to would also have targeted almost50 in order for radiant to get his result[or in a situation where they deflected any actions on the killer to almost50 then almost50 targeting math and thus himself would also cause radiants result]

a redirector probably would have tried redirecting mathblade [only living claimed pr at that point] onto someone else
i do not see a plausible way that a redirectors interference could cause your result though since even if they did target radiant they probably would not have redirected him onto the person doing the night kill [unless we have a town redirector in which case claim your effective guilty already]

p-edit
that is actually a good point
i am voting radiant but i know he might have been biased by having what he thought was a guilty throughout the day [not entirely sure if radiant is town but also not sure if radiant is scum]
and in addition why are we even lynching within the luna wagon
i highly doubt all the scum were on luna and there are fewer people alive that were off the wagon then were on the wagon

at any rate it might be best if we consider radiant v math as possible tvt for now and look elsewhere

final

note and why i voted at the beginning of this post
why is arcangel town
i have seen a few people say that but i do not really understand those reads looking through angels iso

p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill

[Theta Alpine]

if radiant tracked mathblade and got as a result that his target visited almost50 [and only almost50] then a role which can mess with results or actions exists
mathblade has indicated that your hoods action resolves as the entire hood visiting the target so radiant should have seen a visit to your recruit as well

and my post outlined why math probably is not scum in any situation with both role redirection and radiant receiving that result

[Theta Alpine]

if radiant tracked mathblade and got as a result that his target visited almost50 [and only almost50] then a role which can mess with results or actions exists
mathblade has indicated that your hoods action resolves as the entire hood visiting the target so radiant should have seen a visit to your recruit as well

and my post outlined why math probably is not scum in any situation with both role redirection and radiant receiving that result

you missed the one that makes the most sense to me

given that apparently the neighbourhood cannot be solo redirected

scum redirected me onto scum to hopefully give me a false result. I didn't actually target mathblade. but I got a false guilty on scum so it's all good.

no i actually did address that
the thing is why would they redirect you onto scum if they did not know what role you were [if you were a vig or a serial killer that would have gone horribly]

[Theta Alpine]

i assume because he meant that due to redirection he did not target you

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot

[Theta Alpine]

you know what how about this as a proposition to actually get somewhere today
if we lynch anyone who was on luna novas wagon today it will be me

i am willing to stake my slot on there being at least one scum off of that wagon
so from this point on votes should be on one of the following
creature
keychain
nicorobin
northsidegal
arcangel9
ankamius
or myself

and if you have any better ideas for how to actually get somewhere today then please tell me because i have no clue how else we get out of this disaster

p-edit
i mean if you actually convince people to vote math then sure go ahead
i highly doubt given the information revealed so far that math is scum but sure go ahead

[Theta Alpine]

just saying this feels a whole lot like day 1
when we literally had tvtvt [assuming the hebi inno is true] and got nowhere until we basically gave up
i would rather that not happen again

p-edit
math v radiant has gotten nowhere
we need an alternative and this is my proposition for how to allow things to move forward while still giving a good chance of finding scum

[Theta Alpine]

let me put it this way
the actions that occur the following night will help clarify what is going on with math and radiant

so we should focus off of that for today until we have more information

[Theta Alpine]

i feel like i have been randomly voting people who were not on the luna wagon just to see what the reactions were

[Theta Alpine]

might as well vote me then radiant

although a question first [both math and radiant]
do either of you think all scum were on luna novas wagon

[Theta Alpine]

that answers my question

mathblade do you think all scum were on luna novas wagon

[Theta Alpine]

look at the first post to see the deadline

as for why people are scumreading keychain i have no clue [radiant was scumreading keychain i assume because keychain did not vote math]
hebi should be pretty close to conf town so i have no clue why people are scumreading her

[Theta Alpine]

yeah that is honestly the only reason i have not given up on this game
we actually have time to fix this

[Theta Alpine]

alright so here are my thoughts right now
if radiant had ever retracted their claim i would have voted math
the claim mechanically made math town which is why i have not voted math up to this point

however i would like to do something real quick because i may have realized something

mastina

if a hypothetical neighborhood gets to vote on an targeted action that is made during the night without having to specify who performs the action then what would happen in the following two scenarios
- if a tracker or equivalent role targets a member of the neighborhood
- if a watcher or equivalent role targets the player that the neighborhood targeted

mastina

i would also like to know what would occur if a redirector redirected a member of the hood to a different target in the everyone visits the target situation

<<< Answered in 2858. >>>

[Theta Alpine]

hey titus pretty much everyone in the game is going to ask you to claim due to radiant having claimed a guilty on someone

so if you could clarify what actually happened with your role that would help a lot

[Theta Alpine]

the fuck is this

Oath wouldn't you win over town if all werewolves are dead

only if no human member of town was alive

with that win condition oath and any vampire would win if all werewolves were dead and at least one vampire is still alive

towns wincon is not mutually exclusive so if at least one human and one vampire are still alive when all werewolves are dead then the game would end in a mutual human/vampire victory

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: theta
well fine then

crush my dreams

see if i care

Seriously... Why a Theta vote?!?! You need a scum lynch or an information lynch at this point either myself or MathBlade should be the only option as either flip gives more than a little information. Losing another townie puts you all in a ridiculous amount of danger.

I'm gonna say a vote placed ANYWHERE other than myself or MB isn't trying to help town win.

I don't know if Theta will warrant death later, but it's largely useful now less... AND I'VE ASKED THIS SEVERAL TIMES NOW... I'm missing something you all can explain this wagon to me? Cuz there's no way a Theta flip either way helps town more than my flip ...and if you're not go na lynch me MathBlade is the only other option.

Ok this is a tunnel. Why would MB or you be essential lynches? Theta has a large wagon and that flip useful for vcs.

there is actually a pretty good point here

i have no clue how you will get information out of a mathblade lynch given radiants false guilty muddying the waters there
so why math and not any of the other three people you thought were scum
and please do not say because math is scum
consider what the game state will be if you mislynch

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he does not need to out more people
he revealed gamma emerald
it is not a faction and cannot change a recruits faction [that is the definition of a cult and thus bastard which this game is not]

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wait you actually did mean fiction
sorry thought that was a typo

thing is i really do not think scum would make a play like that in this game state
if math as scum made the claim up best play would have been to refuse to out anyone and not give town an obvious next lynch if math ever died [we have a vig or sk so trying to control the lynch would not ensure that]

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also having a role that can be counterclaimed by two different other roles is actually pretty clever [that actually probably means we definitely have a vig and not sk]
just realized that

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if you have any semicolons remove them and try again

and it would technically still be a mislynch since you are actually town given the revealed wincon [town if and only if not werewolf]

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vecnas suggestion should also work
assuming you are using word or similar

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not really
human villager wincon is that they win when all werewolves are dead if there is a human member of the town alive
i would not say that vampires are separate from town
but that with your claim town is a combination of two subfactions for this game
vampires and humans

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why do people have creature as a town read?

day 1 creature was good
day 2 radiant had the whole fake claim bit which is what i think caused creature to lurk

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VOTE: projectmatt

i could also go with vecna again