Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Toranaga]

I think 2 bombs is better than 3 as well

I'm 100% on letting theta have it cause I'm confident she is town and she is a slot people will want to resolve later on cause it's theta. she knows she gets scumread more often than she deserves and knows she is more useful as town if we use her as KP. I say we let her do it.

for the other slot, I want it to be me, unless I'm being voted for leader. I trust my ability to find one scum and blow myself up with it, I don't think I'm a NK priority for scum and I don't like the idea of giving any other POE'd down player abilities other than theta.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

I don’t have it. Afaik, only Math has claimed it. I would not choose it either unless town thought it was a good idea. But you’re right, it’s probably a much better idea for obvtowns to pick goo.

[Frozen Angel]

why would want to kill yourself here? we should give it to people who are in the mid tier. You should be in power list tonight and you shouldn't just suicide your way -at least not early imo

[MathBlade]

You can't classify a town that is got frozen or power negated from a scum who got petrify and is lurking in shadows apart

At that point, assuming it happens, which has already been established multiple times it can’t, we will know exactly how many scum are left and compare it to the lynch pool.

With most of the lynch pool obliterated again that is not a risk.

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the plan today

[Toranaga]

i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

wait who wants petrification? that seems like an awful idea

as far as I see it, sui bombing and tracking are the best abilities we can pick as town

[Nancy Drew 39]

UFO should not detonate himself wtf

I guess he offered because he could be trusted but it’s a bad idea for anyone in the townblock to place themselves at risk.

[Sakura Hana]

what is the plan today

Here:

For the bombing plan.

[Creature, Hebi], [Theta, Gamma], [Nosferatu, TW] [Kokichi]

The pairs one of them will get bomb and kill the other, the solo is who we lynch today.
I paired Creature and Hebi coz Creature SRs Hebi so if either is town, they have lots of incentive to bomb the other.

Now.
Here's a plan.
Nero and FA run for leadership, Nero goes for tracker or self watcher while Drixx protects Nero since Nero cant protect himself, Tora either checks Drixx again or checks Nero and then that will give us a ton of info on what scum may have if a power negate lands somewhere along those lines.

Meanwhile the bombing squad knows what to do.

Quoting both of these to leave them in a single post.

And the last power madam?

I had already planned on FA so we were thinking similarly there.

Now it’s all in one post

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum cannot kill me tonight (albeit they can probably petrify me, but someone can heal me anyway), so i can out tomorrow who got the bombs.
Scum has no escape.
If you guys want 2 bombs then i can readjust, the plan, but i dont think we need to go THAT MUCH safer, because the only way that's a problem is if all 6 of those slots are town.

[Frozen Angel]

You can't classify a town that is got frozen or power negated from a scum who got petrify and is lurking in shadows apart

At that point, assuming it happens, which has already been established multiple times it can’t, we will know exactly how many scum are left and compare it to the lynch pool.

With most of the lynch pool obliterated again that is not a risk.

It's a free mislynch and it might put the remaining players in late game things - assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock the rest will be a paranoia game.

[Frozen Angel]

I think 3 bombs is fine mechancially. It's just too much sudden death. you didn't answer me. are the bombs night actions? can't they be used tomorrow?

[Sakura Hana]

assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock

And a scum dies.
So...
Either they get a bomb a suicide on the townbloc and even assuming the townbloc doesnt protect themselves, that means 1 scum down.
Or they get petrify and are outed tomorrow.

[Frozen Angel]

if we can make sure the bombs are used during day then they can explode without us dealing with power negation/freezing at night paranoia crap

[MathBlade]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

[Toranaga]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

can you explain this to me like I'm 5?

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok math you veto me I veto you, deal?

wrt the power thing: sure. if I'm elected to receive a power, I'm 100% getting the sui bomb and letting other slots be resolved before setting myself off, unless people want me as leader instead. 1 for 1 is a pretty fantastic deal and everyone should just take it.

“Everyone”? How does obvtown dying not help scum wincon? I don’t think you’ve fully thought this through.

[MathBlade]

if we can make sure the bombs are used during day then they can explode without us dealing with power negation/freezing at night paranoia crap

Doesn’t work.

The scum just kill one of the people who got the bomb.

Scum will know at the start of night who does and doesn’t get a bomb if they are in that pairing.

[Frozen Angel]

assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock

And a scum dies.
So...
Either they get a bomb a suicide on the townbloc and even assuming the townbloc doesnt protect themselves, that means 1 scum down.
Or they get petrify and are outed tomorrow.

yeah but I just gave a scenario where some scum will out themselves and the others will make us mislynch a town who couldn't use the bomb or something

if they can block people at night and bombs are night actions ofc

[Toranaga]

the bombs can be used by day and should definitely not be used as night actions IMO

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

[Frozen Angel]

or they didn't use it for a false clear from ufo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the suboptimal use of my power has so far given the best reason anyone has for townreading drixx btw

I could have targeted shiro and be talking with the dead now, and I did forget to send it in n2, but none of that makes my play "so suboptimally it's actually scummy". I think my actions have been fine. I targeted FA, drixx and gamma, and all of those results have given us something to help solve the game. using that as the basis to scumread me is pretty awful but alas, you do you mate.

I trust Math on intent, way more then on reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

what is the plan today

Here:

For the bombing plan.

[Creature, Hebi], [Theta, Gamma], [Nosferatu, TW] [Kokichi]

The pairs one of them will get bomb and kill the other, the solo is who we lynch today.
I paired Creature and Hebi coz Creature SRs Hebi so if either is town, they have lots of incentive to bomb the other.

Now.
Here's a plan.
Nero and FA run for leadership, Nero goes for tracker or self watcher while Drixx protects Nero since Nero cant protect himself, Tora either checks Drixx again or checks Nero and then that will give us a ton of info on what scum may have if a power negate lands somewhere along those lines.

Meanwhile the bombing squad knows what to do.

Quoting both of these to leave them in a single post.

And the last power madam?

I had already planned on FA so we were thinking similarly there.

Now it’s all in one post

alright

[Frozen Angel]

the bombs can be used by day and should definitely not be used as night actions IMO

^^^^^^^^^

We SHOULD not risk exploding people at night

Evry bomb should explode in day phase