Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Sakura Hana]

Nancy, probably because I intentionally shifted the wagon from prof towards TBG.

[Sakura Hana]

So it makes VCA look awkward.

[Sakura Hana]

In any case, even in Minuet's trio, i had a belief that at least one MC had to be scum.

But it does not have to be so.

So do you believe scum has an opposite poisoner to Math and is NOT an MC?
I mean i would believe it if Math was a non MC poisoner that scum probs had also a non MC poisoner, but that is just awkward design.

[MathBlade]

The Game Breaking Strategy

The scum poisoner is absolutely even night. With my lynch today, you're going to have to lynch the poisoner tomorrow. Anyone claimed with a gun IS OFF LIMITS tomorrow. I don't fucking care if the mod tells you it's a guilty. You say the guilty and lynch in the no gun claimants.

Now once the poisoner flips, and I'm 95% sure it's Sakura, then the rest of the no gun claimants become very likely town.
Why does this work? Why do we assume there is one scum in the gunsmiths and one scum outside?
Because with an all three town MC scum would have to have a way to find out the PRs. A gunsmith provides the fake/real claim for them and gives them cover while finding two but not three of the PRs.
If you disagree with me on Sakura, you absolutely lynch in the no guns for the confirmed towns it provides and for the removed kill every other night. Scum are then forced to kill the non gun claimants and hunt within the guns. If and only if a no gun claimant reaches lylo do you consider it.

Spewed Town

AKA do not lynch unless something has gone horribly wrong

Spiffeh, Muffin, Purr, MariaR,Nos, Prof Fridays

Spoiler: why

Spiffeh because mylo talked about them. They couldn't fake analysis on everyone so when scum do that it's almost certainly on town rather than highlight a buddy. (There are a few exceptions to this but more often than not when they talk about one player only it's town especially with a day one lurker)

Muffin is spewed town because of VCA. MariaR is likely town (but not quite confirmed). Purr is spewed town based on VCA + gunsmith claims.

Based on the wagons day one and two for the above people for VCA.

Building upon that we have

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MariaR brought up to L-1.

Due to the sheer speed and rapidness of the wagon combined with the likely spew before makes MariaR spewed town.
The only people not spewed or confirmed are {Sakura,Moment,Prof Fridays, Nos, Wisdom}

This group of four again has to have at least scum in it. Let's see if we can find some spew.
Now let's compare and see who they were on in the previous wagon link
Moment/Wisdom -- Prof Fridays
Nos -- TBG
Sakura -- TBG
Prof Fridays -- TBG

The only possible pairings if both scum are on is
Sakura&Moment
Sakura&Nos
Sakura&Wisdom
OR
Prof&Moment
Prof&Nos
Prof&Wisdom

viewtopic.php?p=10368680#p10368680 Nos is spewed town from this post. Because the only scum motivation he would have to pick TBG over MariaR is to save a buddy. Otherwise Nos doesn't give two shits and lets the wagons stay where they are.
Therefore Sakura is the confirmed scum from the other wagon.

This therefore eliminates Professor Fridays. If Sakura flips green by weird fluke of nature, THEN and only then can you consider lynching Prof Fridays.

Then there's 3614 from Sakura which proclaims the slot as poisoner. In that case why did you ever unvote hmmm? Someone else could have easily. The simple answer is she believed the VT claim from MariaR.

[Sakura Hana]

Math i unvoted coz i was asked to.

[MathBlade]

Combine the above with the fact that Wisdom wanted me to eliminate Prof Fridays and nay provided a reason (or that he sucks at cases)

Makes him scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

just ignore ratios and scumhunt, nancy
math doesnt claim this as scum

I don’t recall him claiming this in Labrynth but then he was obvtown to everyone but scum!Taly/you, Wheme in that game.

[Sakura Hana]

would prefer someone unvotes at least temporarily anyway until some stuff gets sorted

UNVOTE: Temporarily

[MathBlade]

Math i unvoted coz i was asked to.

And people have asked you to unvote me that I'm town and you haven't.

You said MariaR was the poisoner. Yet you unvoted.

You believe I'm the scum poisoner yet you haven't unvoted.

Same prompt different response.

You're not reading you're power role hunting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would actually prefer more Alice themed games tho, I love Alice in Wonderland

+1

[MathBlade]

just ignore ratios and scumhunt, nancy
math doesnt claim this as scum

I don’t recall him claiming this in Labrynth but then he was obvtown to everyone but scum!Taly/you, Wheme in that game.

Thanks for alt outing. *sigh*

I'm Commander Shepard. I intentionally trolled to try to not be NK'd because I could just go confirming myself as town and we'd win.

Like I literally trolled and crumbed and said I was spiderman.

[MariaR]

The Game Breaking Strategy

The scum poisoner is absolutely even night. With my lynch today, you're going to have to lynch the poisoner tomorrow. Anyone claimed with a gun IS OFF LIMITS tomorrow. I don't fucking care if the mod tells you it's a guilty. You say the guilty and lynch in the no gun claimants.

Now once the poisoner flips, and I'm 95% sure it's Sakura, then the rest of the no gun claimants become very likely town.
Why does this work? Why do we assume there is one scum in the gunsmiths and one scum outside?
Because with an all three town MC scum would have to have a way to find out the PRs. A gunsmith provides the fake/real claim for them and gives them cover while finding two but not three of the PRs.
If you disagree with me on Sakura, you absolutely lynch in the no guns for the confirmed towns it provides and for the removed kill every other night. Scum are then forced to kill the non gun claimants and hunt within the guns. If and only if a no gun claimant reaches lylo do you consider it.

Spewed Town

AKA do not lynch unless something has gone horribly wrong

Spiffeh, Muffin, Purr, MariaR,Nos, Prof Fridays

Spoiler: why

Spiffeh because mylo talked about them. They couldn't fake analysis on everyone so when scum do that it's almost certainly on town rather than highlight a buddy. (There are a few exceptions to this but more often than not when they talk about one player only it's town especially with a day one lurker)

Muffin is spewed town because of VCA. MariaR is likely town (but not quite confirmed). Purr is spewed town based on VCA + gunsmith claims.

Based on the wagons day one and two for the above people for VCA.

Building upon that we have

viewtopic.php?p=10380481#p10380481
MariaR brought up to L-1.

Due to the sheer speed and rapidness of the wagon combined with the likely spew before makes MariaR spewed town.
The only people not spewed or confirmed are {Sakura,Moment,Prof Fridays, Nos, Wisdom}

This group of four again has to have at least scum in it. Let's see if we can find some spew.
Now let's compare and see who they were on in the previous wagon link
Moment/Wisdom -- Prof Fridays
Nos -- TBG
Sakura -- TBG
Prof Fridays -- TBG

The only possible pairings if both scum are on is
Sakura&Moment
Sakura&Nos
Sakura&Wisdom
OR
Prof&Moment
Prof&Nos
Prof&Wisdom

viewtopic.php?p=10368680#p10368680 Nos is spewed town from this post. Because the only scum motivation he would have to pick TBG over MariaR is to save a buddy. Otherwise Nos doesn't give two shits and lets the wagons stay where they are.
Therefore Sakura is the confirmed scum from the other wagon.

This therefore eliminates Professor Fridays. If Sakura flips green by weird fluke of nature, THEN and only then can you consider lynching Prof Fridays.

Then there's 3614 from Sakura which proclaims the slot as poisoner. In that case why did you ever unvote hmmm? Someone else could have easily. The simple answer is she believed the VT claim from MariaR.

Tell me math is still scum I'll wait

[Sakura Hana]

Tell me math is still scum I'll wait

Math is still scum.

[Sakura Hana]

And seriously at this point im done arguing with scum, anyone can see how wrong that statement he made about me is.

[Sakura Hana]

Im just gonna go back to active lurking like I did D1 and D2 if this is how im gonna be treated when I actually try to solve the game.

The only person here that has done a modicrum of trying to make me see a possible reality based on previous mod meta that Math may be town MC is prof.

SO yeah never lynch prof. he's also actually trying to solve the game.

[MathBlade]

Im just gonna go back to active lurking like I did D1 and D2 if this is how im gonna be treated when I actually try to solve the game.

The only person here that has done a modicrum of trying to make me see a possible reality based on previous mod meta that Math may be town MC is prof.

SO yeah never lynch prof. he's also actually trying to solve the game.

And this is the nail on the head that demonstrates Wisdom scum.

They are playing dual fiddle to each other yet never suspecting.
Their reads are opposite so neither way actually progresses.

Wisdom tries to use the "I claimed first" defense when he didn't Kokichi did through softing and pushing.

I have D&D tonight and I'm full well expecting that I'm hammered so remember my last few posts.

Peace out everyone! Kick ass!

VOTE: Sakura

[MathBlade]

Whoops one last thing: Force Sakura to give non mechanical reasons for her reads. She's not given any all game. Force her to talk. She's active lurking and pushing spec not people.

[Sakura Hana]

LOL
I've given several this game.
Look for them yourself i wont quote them to you.
Wanna lynch me for not cooperating? go ahead, i rather be lynched than appease setup confirmed scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

just ignore ratios and scumhunt, nancy
math doesnt claim this as scum

I don’t recall him claiming this in Labrynth but then he was obvtown to everyone but scum!Taly/you, Wheme in that game.

Thanks for alt outing. *sigh*

I'm Commander Shepard. I intentionally trolled to try to not be NK'd because I could just go confirming myself as town and we'd win.

Like I literally trolled and crumbed and said I was spiderman.

I didn’t out you. You posted right there in that thread (under THIS nic) and confirmed you were CS.

If your CS name was offlimits, you never would have posted it in that thread or swiched back to CS, when you realized your mistake. If this is some half-baked attempt to guilt me into not voting you, you should know I am not swayed by any attempts at emotional manipulation.

[Wisdom]

math you make zero sense sorry

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

#TeamMath

[Nancy Drew 39]

Whoops one last thing: Force Sakura to give non mechanical reasons for her reads. She's not given any all game. Force her to talk. She's active lurking and pushing spec not people.

I correctly lynched scum!Ank in Minuet solely based on mechanics. What do you have to say about that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

just ignore ratios and scumhunt, nancy
math doesnt claim this as scum

I don’t recall him claiming this in Labrynth but then he was obvtown to everyone but scum!Taly/you, Wheme in that game.

Thanks for alt outing. *sigh*

I'm Commander Shepard. I intentionally trolled to try to not be NK'd because I could just go confirming myself as town and we'd win.

Like I literally trolled and crumbed and said I was spiderman.

I didn’t out you. You posted right there in that thread (under THIS nic) and confirmed you were CS.

If your CS name was offlimits, you never would have posted it in that thread or swiched back to CS, when you realized your mistake. If this is some half-baked attempt to guilt me into not voting you, you should know I am not swayed by any attempts at emotional manipulation.

P.edit When did you ever “troll”, Math? Everyone save scum!Taly and Wheme knew both you (and your predecessor Joral) were locktown. Not a single player in that game, was remotely shocked at you being the N3 NK. The only NK that shocked anyone was TBG but that was likely accounted for by Creature strongman.

You were beyond (wrongly) convinced Shoshin was scum but you never acted cocky like this. Does anyone have any links to any Math scum games?

Because he is expecting us to believe he was trolling in Labrynth and I’m not buying it.

[Nosferatu]

You were beyond (wrongly) convinced Shoshin was scum but you never acted cocky like this. Does anyone have any links to any Math scum games?

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[Nancy Drew 39]

You were beyond (wrongly) convinced Shoshin was scum but you never acted cocky like this. Does anyone have any links to any Math scum games?

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VOTE: Mathblade