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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 122, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 119, Thor665 wrote:
In post 112, GuiltyLion wrote:okay so I think A50, Thor, DT, probably Eragon, maybe lane all town
Lane?
you have your vote on me. you dont want to ask him why he town reads me?
You came in terrible and then reacted with coverup activity.
I can understand someone deciding the coverup activity is legit though I would disagree with the conclusion.
I am honestly left with no idea why anyone would see Lane as town.

Do you think I should be honestly left with no idea why someone could see you as town? If so - start playing better?
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:45 pm

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In post 113, FA_Q2 wrote:It is not shade for the sake of shade - it was an honest question.

Hence why I did not vote for thor when he answered. His logic makes sense though I don't really agree with it.
this is the part I was keying in on:
In post 45, FA_Q2 wrote:It feels like you just want to jump on any wagon at all....
not the question itself
In post 114, FA_Q2 wrote:If anything, DT has been the least town so far.
disagree - I liked their scumread on you, their , and also the WIFOM self-defense in feels to me like a town thought process, scum are usually afraid to jump straight into circular reasoning like that
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:46 pm

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Fink I don't think is wrong per se but can you tell me why you're riffing on this and why you think it's a productive argument to be having
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:47 pm

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In post 119, Thor665 wrote:
In post 112, GuiltyLion wrote:okay so I think A50, Thor, DT, probably Eragon, maybe lane all town
Lane?
yes Lane - why is he scum?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:15 pm

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In post 120, DoubtingThomas wrote:Don't see any questions/comment people have on my new sets of posts that I made after the first 3 meaningless song lyrics
really
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:20 am

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In post 128, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 119, Thor665 wrote:
In post 112, GuiltyLion wrote:okay so I think A50, Thor, DT, probably Eragon, maybe lane all town
Lane?
yes Lane - why is he scum?
I'm not sure if he is - but thus far the extent of his efforts have been a very aggressively pedantic and misrepresentative series of questions/attacks on me and then kind of awkwardly stepping back on it when called on the issue.

I would think, at the very least, the question of whether it was an intentional misrep would keep him in the null category and am at a loss as to why you have him in a town lean category.

Clarify?
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:25 am

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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:28 am

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Just to walk you through his posting, here's a quick summation;
In post 79, lane0168 wrote:You don't have to respond with "I got us out of RVs didn't I?" But I think your questions on the way there were just.... I need to find the words.
Here's his explanation of his vote on me which, based on his later explanations, is pretty suspect to begin with.
In post 95, lane0168 wrote:Well I don't know what grok is... But burden of proficiency eh?
Do we know each other? Have we ever played with each other? Should I know you?
I don't know what burden of proficiency has anything to do with it. Explain that.
This is a strange non-sequitur which kind of acts like I'm up to something but that I literally did nothing to trigger (and when I asked him about it he ducked the question)
In post 102, lane0168 wrote:This logical fallacy is based on the assumption that renowned players are expected to find scum. The attacker asserts that because the player in question has not yet found (enough) scum, they themselves are more likely to be scum...

So because he didn't find scum by the 4th post... He's the most likely to be scum?

I honestly thought you were confused about what burden of proficiency and were using it incorrectly
The bold is a direct misrep - especially considering in the post he's responding to I explicitly described how I was applying the tell.
The line immediately after the misrep acts like this is something he's been analyzing for a while (even though he was the second person to ask me the same question and needed to have th eanswer repeated to him - which looks to me like a fake scumhunting tell.)
In post 106, lane0168 wrote:As far as I can tell you explained it as "burden of proficiency". So please, explain it again because I seem to misunderstand how sesq not finding scum yet makes him scum.
He's called on the misrep and then asks me to explain again rather than offering up his reasoning to have reached the analysis conclusion of me not understanding the tell (never mind that if he had decided I was dense and was using the tell name wrong that there is no evidence to suggest that is remotely scummy)

It's not a pretty progression of thought. It reads like he found something he thinks he could paint as "wrong" and attacked it rather than finding something he thinks is scummy.
Now, yes, he may just be sloppy town, I am debating that - but to have him as town anything at this stage boggles my mind.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:28 am

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In post 131, Kmd4390 wrote:
innocentvillager replaces ldkldldldkdkdkdklllkkk
Straight upgrade.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:17 am

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In post 95, lane0168 wrote:
In post 80, Thor665 wrote:
In post 61, lane0168 wrote:If it's because they didn't vote, wouldn't it only make sense to vote the last one? I'd assume the longer it goes on the more scummy in your eyes. And not exactly sure why sesq
Someone already asked me this - my answer remains the same; burden of proficiency.

Is there something about that answer you don't grok?
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In post 53, Thor665 wrote:Because you have an equal scum read to them as someone you are voting - so what's the difference? Is your goal *not* to apply pressure with your vote? What are you doing voting if you need a case?
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Well I don't know what grok is... But burden of proficiency eh? Do we know each other? Have we ever played with each other? Should I know you? I don't know what burden of proficiency has anything to do with it. Explain that.
This is where I thought you were confused about what it was... I thought you were applying it to you and I? And to you and... Whoever else asked you about it.
In post 102, lane0168 wrote:This logical fallacy is based on the assumption that renowned players are expected to find scum. The attacker asserts that because the player in question has not yet found (enough) scum, they themselves are more likely to be scum...

So because he didn't find scum by the 4th post... He's the most likely to be scum?

I honestly thought you were confused about what burden of proficiency and were using it incorrectly
This is where I realized you weren't confused, I was confused. The additional questions were me working out my confusion in the moment.

When you said you already explained it, I thought I'd find it in the posts where you talked about burden of proficiency. I didn't know you were referencing our conversation.

But my vote isn't about that. It was your early game. Which I haven't addressed yet. I understand it looks as though i had attempted to "find the words" so I can't fault you for thinking that. But I haven't.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:25 am

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In post 133, Thor665 wrote:
In post 131, Kmd4390 wrote:
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Straight upgrade.
you're going to be disappointed im super rusty and terrible at this game
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:26 am

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hi lion hi thor

don't think i know any of the rest of you bitches
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:55 am

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In post 60, DoubtingThomas wrote:um yeah let's not try to hero vote over three posts i made when i was drunk and being really emotional haha ecksdee
lol potg

idk it's not my style to do catch up walls and quotes and im not in the mood to do so but ive skimmed some stuff and vaguely know whats going on
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:29 am

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Good. Now tell us what you think and ask some questions please. If the game doesn't get going I'm going to be totally withdrawn :(

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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 138, Almost50 wrote:Good. Now tell us what you think and ask some questions please. If the game doesn't get going I'm going to be totally withdrawn :(
i don't like this attitude but the fact that you're vocalizing it makes it less suspicious so im torn on that
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:38 am

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In post 115, Almost50 wrote:there's hardly anything for me to comment on
oh yeah specifically this

we play to read and find scum, not just write as much as possible

VOTE: Almost50 here for now
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:39 am

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In post 112, GuiltyLion wrote:also I don't really care about the Mime thing unless we lynch one, generally I feel like trying to distinguish between Mime/Mafia play is gonna be a barrel of WIFOM and not worth it
wow i like lion this game
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:39 am

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actually not him just the things he says
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:40 am

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but him as well in general <3 but not from an alightment perspective LOL

okay ill stop fillering
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:50 am

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Vote Count

DoubtingThomas - 2 - Fink, Thor665
Almost50 - 2 - Eragon, innocentvillager
Thor665 - 1 - lane0168
lane0168- 1 - Sesq
FA_Q2 - 1 - GuiltyLion
Eragon - 1 - FA_Q2

Not Voting - DoubtingThomas, Lalendra, innocentvillager, Almost50, Lady Angel, UnrealSeal

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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:03 am

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In post 140, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 115, Almost50 wrote:there's hardly anything for me to comment on
oh yeah specifically this

we play to read and find scum, not just write as much as possible

VOTE: Almost50 here for now
Sigh! "This" never fails! :P

VOTE: innocentvillager

P.S. Not gonna explain "this". All I'm gonna say is innocentvillager has just claimed scum with Fink/DT/Eragon (in that order, so the most likely p is FINK, and Eragon is really unlikely)

So, we play to "read".. yet when there's nothing to read it is scummy to say so? We play to "find scum", what when nobody's been posting anything of substance and/or AI it is still my job to find scum based on "void"??

I'll be damned if this doesn't flip scum. My vote is stuck here until this slot is dead "one way or the other".

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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:06 am

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In post 139, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 138, Almost50 wrote:Good.
Now tell us what you think and ask some questions please
. If the game doesn't get going I'm going to be totally withdrawn :(
i don't like this attitude but the fact that you're vocalizing it makes it less suspicious so im torn on that
Also, you missed the bolded and highlighted, so revisit the subject if you will. How about a read list?

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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:25 am

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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:56 am

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wow overreaction much lol? how does me supposedly having poor logic translate to sure scum?

i don't like your attitude towards this. no you don't have "void" to go off of. do you seriously you have parsed all possible AI information from the past 5 pages?

i don't have much of a readslist rn and im not sure i need to disclose how i currently feel about everyone. I'll make it more as we go and currently you're leanscum
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