Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

Yeh my previous comment was in relation to Alonzo if he knew he was town regarding the no lynch - i.e. it is better for him as a town!rb to no lynch. This perspective is not for the rest of us where we dont know his alignment, as no lynching would be trusting Alonzo to be town as you say.

Like I don't really feel no lynch, just because I kinda wanna see this game over

[Enigma]

enigma do you like town or scum more?

I haven't rolled scum for a long long time so I couldn't tell you

[skitter30]

it's probably just traitor!enigma

i don't want to no-lynch; from my pov that basically means i think alonzo is town in which case i might as well lynch enigma

i'm dumb nm

it's 4way. nolynch.

town!alonzo - can maybe stop an nk or scum don't nk - 3 or 4 people alive tomorrow
scum!alonzo - can nk (3 alive) or not (4 alive)

idk why i thought this

[skitter30]

The speed at which the CJ wagon formed is a bit off putting .. the VCA will be interesting if/when he flips

CJ and NWMM are so contentless I can barely make a read, and I don't even know if CJ has read the whole thread yet ...
Reading Open 733 where CJ was scum (with tw), CJ actually (pretends) to scumhunt a bit, actively pushes mislynches, and interacts with the gamestate. Open 725 is a bit of a mess to read, but CJ feels also a bit more actively driving lynches (and he was bussing his partner AP).

Maybe part of why I'm hesitant, in addition to CJ simply having zero content, is a lack of CJ voting on someone so far and advancing the game state. I've also mislynched CJ in other games, partly because he was lurky and didn't get a chance to defend himself. But I've also seen town CJ defend himself as the lynch target when he was more active.

So meta wise I don't quite see the picture on CJ.

meh

[skitter30]

Btw, now that this game is over ... viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766
This has kinda been in my mind the whole game, but couldn't say much as ongoing.

Skitter was one of my strongest TRs in that game, I even doc protected her because I thought she would be prime NK target ... alas she was scum
scum!skitter a force to be reckoned with, and was literally universally townread by everyone and won because town trusted her enough to hammer test her in MYLO

So I haven't really commented on skitter so much, that said I am kinda townreading skitter this game, but I don't trust her or my reads on her hahahha
Hence my earlier comment about I don't really know how to read her with confidence

still feel like this was a townie reaction to that game; if he were scum referencing this i feel like he'd keep bringing up to try to undermine the townreads on me throughout but i haven't really gotten that vibe really

[skitter30]

Wow BuJ thanks for the huge wall of text dedicated to me.
1. I steal page tops because its fun and would gladly do it as either faction
2. I can't make reads in the first 24/48 hours of a game ... in general my D1 play sucks
3. I'm very special thanks, so I can have all the RVS votes I want

also like i never really got the vibe that enigma's reactions to bujaber's scumread of him were like from a traitor (as enigma so eloquently put it, why didn't he signal him to just fuck off already?) he really deos seem peeved that bujaber kept circling back to him

[skitter30]

What's bad about the bolded? I acknowledge her posting was weird but overall the reasons to townread her outweigh the reasons to scumread her.

As for enigma yes we just finished our first game together as far as I recall and yes he was town and maybe he grabbed some pagetops there but he was not on a personal mission to grab pagetops like he seems to be on here. It felt more casual/situational in that game instead of deliberate.

Dude when the game first started I made a few page top grabs, mainly to get back at ofrhz for taunting me pregame about pagetops. Outside of the first rl day I've only made two page top posts (because I kinda got bored and forgot about it). The fact that you are still pushing this one issue whilst largely ignoring the rest of my post confounds me.

I'm not so keen on lynching the ejji if he is making an effort rn, so would prefer to give him the opportunity to catchup and post, and I'll try to re-read his slot tomorrow.

I will do this in the meantime though
VOTE: Bujaber

like this one

[skitter30]

VOTE: NM
Trollylololol

HURT: duck

this vote did come out of nowhere tho

[skitter30]

Looking at A50s posts he was TRing duck, and was convinced CJ was scum. His scum pool was Frank (ejji) + CJV (NM) + HWS (Alonzo).

also i still don't get why a50 was killed here; maybe it was just fo rhis reads?

[skitter30]

You are literally begging to be vigged in 2077 and the only conclusion is you are bp.

this was also really weird from traitor!enigma's pov

[skitter30]

I was just thinking if we lynch scum today, we will mechanically win this. Assuming Alonzo and ruru are not lying, we have a lynch pool of six today. Alzono lives another day, assuming ruru actives bp tonight. Alzono can hard clear two slots before he is killed if there is only one scum remaining. In that case, we mechanically win even if we mislynch the next day.

Spoiler: if we lynch correctly today

town:scum ratio
6-1 (2 conf town) lynch scum
5-1 (2 conf town) nk ruru, alonzo confs 1 town
4-1 (2 conf town) mislynch
3-1 (2 conf town) nk alonzo, alzono can confs 1 town even if he dies by telling us who he is targeting
2-1 (2 conf town) gg scum, town wins

If we mislynch today, we should no lynch tomorrow as it is mylo. But this still means Alzono gets two shots at rbing, with a successful hit preventing the NK and getting a hard guilty.

yeah ok nm he was def thinking through the long-term implications of town!alonzo

[skitter30]

entirely possible that after we did lynch scum that day he decided to try to subvert this

[skitter30]

from enigma's end the bujaber/enigma interactions aren't really clearing imo

he has a tendency to say something along the lines of: I think bujaber and X are scum
and then push X or nobody at all

he never really pushes bujaber tbh

[skitter30]

I kinda feel like the mod scum took has to be between day talk and traitor? As I understand from the flips, both of the group scum have been lynched as goons and without mods. Now these were the two slots that got to decide on the mods, keeping in mind that they do/did not know who the traitor is/was pregame. Why would they give scum PR mods to the traitor rather than themselves? BP/JOAT/RC is useless for traitor as a single mod.

this feels weird, idk why

[skitter30]

^I would probably concede, self-vote, quit etc. if it happened again lol ... this game has been going on for too long

hmmmm

[skitter30]

yeah ok i'll do alonzo some point soonish (ie prob tom)

[ruru]

also i still don't get why a50 was killed here; maybe it was just fo rhis reads?

possibly because scum valued ruru vs. tw

it's also a kill that makes sense for {you, people trying to frame you}

[ruru]

speaking of which I have a self-meta request

do you have town meta of:
- frequently mentioning that past nks are super confusing to you
- use of the words "go here" describing a vote (sorry, this is oddly specific, but you know why)
?

[ruru]

let's add asking people in xylo if they like playing scum to the list too

[skitter30]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76232&user_select% ... &start=200
^^^ kept bringing up the ruby nk in mylo

i thikn 'go here' is just a word choice (one that i was not particularly conscious of using actually). i'm pretty sure i've used that phrase before but i'd have to go looking and i don't know what alignment that is correlated to. and i don't know why

and wrt asking people in xylo if they like playing scum probably? again i'd have to go looking. i definitely as that but i don't know offhand at what point of the game i tend to do that

[skitter30]

viewtopic.php?p=10376044#p10376044
^^^ go here

i tend to use when i'm unsure where to vote

[ruru]

I figured as much

[skitter30]

let's add asking people in xylo if they like playing scum to the list too

yeah i can't find an example of this in xylo from the last six months or so and i don't really have patience to look earlier than that

[ruru]

I still gut townread enigma's posts and don't gut townread alonzo's posts of late and I actually gut scumread you (by posting/bop) today but I also trust postcount more than my gut

I don't even understand why I gut townread enigma's posting so much (excluding the ones which were pockety toward me because I'm highly aware that some of them were) when I didn't really gut townread his townposting in pyp or whatever.

Alonzo not thinking his claim is a throw for scum is like I don't even know, like would scum even be honest about that, knowing it would change my read

[skitter30]

i still kinda townread enigma all in all
the things i don't like i listed above but like holistically i still think it's a town iso tbh

i was asking about whether or not he likes playing scum because he's been exhibiting game fatigue and i think it's slightly more likely to come from someone who doesn't really like their alignment (i don't think it's very much ai tho; he could just be like done with this game)

i think on some level you confuse people when you call things a throw when you mean 'playing suboptimal'; i don't think he views scum!him claiming bg as literally gamethrowing even if it might be suboptimal and that's what he thought you were asking him which is why he was confused