Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[Garmr]

well I had to explain why Garmr's vote on Penguin is bad if Garmr is town u kno

Also no I haven't been pocketed, what? If you can refer me to any time a scum changed their read on a townie from scumread to townread because they voted a different scum that would be nice
Until then I'm going to believe that it's a bizarre scumplay and a completely normal townplay and townread him for it
BuJ's slow, soft, then hard and fast shading of me based on Shoshin kill reads like BuJ killed Shoshin imo

So I think you're the one leaning too much on anti-partner-reading a bus play, not me
But also it could still be you and LE I guess in theory, I just think you're slightly townier than BuJ in the moments I've actually been playing the game

pedit: saved the game?

Why would that make anyone town? He changed your read after you scum read his buddy? That seems nai to me.

[Creature]

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Not a good reason to passive townreading

[Creature]

lol the hipocrisy here

[Irrelephant11]

Because it goes against his wincon in multiple ways if he is scum
-it encourages me to lynch his scum buddy
-it makes it harder to mislynch me, someone most people were scumreading (and I didn't do a ton to work to save the slot)

No one needs a lecture here on how white flag makes each scum life more valuable but I don't think PP decides the life of his scumbuddy is worth giving up to pocket me, and even if he does I don't think he's done like *anything else* to try to pocket me really
I think you and creature maybe have (the case could be made that neither of you should be townreading me but you are anyway), but not PP

[Garmr]

Fine I will lynch Light ethos but the trade off is I'm rushing a duel with pp tommorow if light flips town.
VOTE: Light Ethos

[Garmr]

Then everyone went silent.

[Irrelephant11]

Personally I'm waiting for BuJ to come back or LE's replacement to show up

[BuJaber]

As soon as I stir the pot people get active then I get the artificial as fuck scum reads from pp and creature. It's like everyone else was complaisant with LE being the lynch with out considering who his scum partner could be or what they would do if is town.

Okay back to this
VOTE: ele
He's just being sheepy at this point. Plus the shoshin kill and Io interactions.

Creature you just keep getting mad when voted but you don't comment on my cases.

Man, those are pretty scummy.

Could it be Buj + Garmr trying to tie themselves hard to LE?

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I had this thought but it would make me sad

Look how active Creature and PP get now despite them not really posting much before.

alright there's too many partner options here this is dumb

Also why does being sheepy make me scum
Like the only way I'm scum is if none of the people I'm sheeping my vote onto are scum
Meh I guess you might suggest that as long as my last vote is on town, I'm likely scum, but imo it shows my lack of info
Not loving how BuJ just spent like 72 hours "coming to the realization" that the Shoshin kill means I'm scum - it didn't read like a real progression (the conclusion seemed implied at the start)

It was pretty clear I entered today with 3 suspects you, creature and LE. And I've been working on sorting y'all, hence the reread of Io and the analysis of the shoshin kill.

I don't think the shoshin kill excludes creature hence the earlier vote. But I do think it excludes LE

@creature - ele's vote on you was just doing what garmr asked.. and PP's supposed scumread of you never materialized. I don't know where you're getting that he's willing to vote you from. His actions say otherwise.

You AtE is clearly working on everyone though so good job with that.

[Irrelephant11]

yes his AtE is working on me and on Garmr (I don't think I've seen anything from PP to indicate AtE is working on him)
Does that mean you are townreading Garmr and I and scumreading creature? Because otherwise "your AtE is working on everyone" doesn't make sense to say

[BuJaber]

Way I see it creature can either be scum with you or with PP

So if he's scum with you then PP is town and thus everytime creature posted a string of 'frustrated' posts PP reaffirmed his townread on him. The AtE has been working on PP before anyone else.

And if he's scum with PP then you're town and so the AtE is working on you.

If I'm wrong and creature is town then I'd have to reevaluate garmr townread in particular. Also PP because he may have TMI'd the fact thatcreature is town.

Game's getting confusing though I'll tell you that

[Irrelephant11]

I still contend that's a weird thing for town!you to say about your scumreads
Like "your partner sure is being pulled in by your scummy AtE" makes no sense and whichever of us you think is scum with Creature that's kinda what you said if you're town

Game is getting confusing I agree
Because one of you should not be defending LE

Why is Garmr town fypov?

[BuJaber]

His d1 play and how he got into it with RC and then nick.
Also his stubborness and emotional outbursts when getting SR'd remind me of our last game.

[PenguinPower]

Also PP because he may have TMI'd the fact thatcreature is town.

Look at Creature's title.

That is why he is town.

[BuJaber]

Lol

Except the one time where he won't be.

Why is ele town, PP?

[PenguinPower]

Why is ele town, PP?

Where have I put him as town?

[BuJaber]

You didn't.. I assumed based on you voting for LE and scumreading garmr also.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Penguin power.

[PenguinPower]

Alright N_M.

[PenguinPower]

You didn't.. I assumed based on you voting for LE and scumreading garmr also.

You didn't.. I assumed based on you voting for LE and scumreading garmr also.

I'm waffling between LE and Elephant. It's why I'm voting Garmr.

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Your case on town!Garmr is AtE and a previous game?

[Garmr]

You didn't.. I assumed based on you voting for LE and scumreading garmr also.

You didn't.. I assumed based on you voting for LE and scumreading garmr also.

I'm waffling between LE and Elephant. It's why I'm voting Garmr.

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Your case on town!Garmr is AtE and a previous game?

No offence it's better than your trash garmr is voting me so he must be scum.

[PenguinPower]

Hi. If you aren't going to read the game, please let the adults discuss.

[Garmr]

Hi. If you aren't going to read the game, please let the adults discuss.

I'm probably older than you penguin. You should respect your elders.

[Garmr]

Hi. If you aren't going to read the game, please let the adults discuss.

I'm probably older than you penguin. You should respect your elders.

Never mind You are older I'm still in my 20s .

[Irrelephant11]

I've decided it's BuJ/LE

[Irrelephant11]

I don't think the shoshin kill excludes creature hence the earlier vote. But I do think it excludes LE

Personally I think the Shoshin kill is indicative of BuJ being scum
It's easy to pin on me, BuJ knew Shoshin was telling the truth when she said my presence would make her play a lot better/harder, and it lets towny-looking-BuJ "clear" scummy-looking-LE by saying he doesn't think LE would make that kill
BuJ himself has said he as scum messes with associatives, so I would expect him to be on Io wagon (obviously can't do that now, though, as it would lead to LE lynch and endgame)
I was mostly sheeping Shoshin to arrive at town!BuJ (and RC who said "if BuJ is scum we can lynch both his partners" which is still true), but I think Shoshin's read was a lazy one based on BuJ "making sense", which is sometimes pretty scum indicative, as townies forget/change their minds, while scum have a narrative they try to present coherently

Obviously if LE is scum BuJ is like his only likely partner, too... and LE has done nothing worth defending except that he maybe wouldn't kill Shoshin
Only hesitation is it doesn't feel like BuJ has much urgency here and LE is currently the lynch, and honestly no one is expressing much urgency so hmmm