Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Nauci]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

So that ruled out everything but the freshly replaced slot?

[skitter30]

I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.

he feels town to me when he feels *into* it
and for like thinking aloud
and i don't know if scum!him really votes for himself here?

he doesn't really feel oppurtunistic to me either tbh

[Irrelephant11]

Relly, do you feel in anyway pocketed by Nauci? If you're town reading her, are those town feels attributed to all her actions/behaviour outside of her town reading you?

Does this make sense

Yes I missed this
I’ll try to answer it as I explore Nauci’s ISO

[skitter30]

Do we have time to pressure wagon me?

Preferably today because tomorrow I'll be busy again

like even this feels kinda townie to me; i dont'think scum!him asks to be a pressure wagon (or that it should happen while he *will* be able around, as opposed to just not mentioning that he'd be busy tomorrow)

[the worst]

So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.

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Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz

I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. Bulletpoints would be helpful.

I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.

Yeah okay that's not the worst. The first time I saw creature he was scum twice in a row, our third game together he was town and I was blown over by the depth of differences between his games. That has closed in a bit now but a lot of tells still apply

look for the way he forms townreads there (you're lacking context but hopefully it explains a little?) and the way he hops from wagon to wagon like he's testing what will work, and his tone is substantially more frozen

if you think he's scum here I probably want to be countercased before I'll consider it because I feel faaaairly good about that read

[Shoshin]

Nauci's paranoia of me feels pretty towny. I think faking that sort of subtle paranoia is one of the hardest things for scum to do.

[the worst]

Do we have time to pressure wagon me?

Preferably today because tomorrow I'll be busy again

like even this feels kinda townie to me; i dont'think scum!him asks to be a pressure wagon (or that it should happen while he *will* be able around, as opposed to just not mentioning that he'd be busy tomorrow)

I think I'd disagree w this for most people other than creature but I think it's within his burned out townrange and I like this observation a lot

[skitter30]

i mean yeah idk if that's a towntell for most people but i feel like it doesn't come from scum!creature

[AlmostNancy]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

I agree. I intend to keep a very close eye on whomever is the counterwagon to Xtoxm.

[Keyser Söze]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

[AlmostNancy]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

I agree. I intend to keep a very close eye on whomever is the counterwagon to Xtoxm.

P.efit. Whomever is on the counterwagon, I mean.

[Shoshin]

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

So that ruled out everything but the freshly replaced slot?

Like, it's hard to imagine scum Nauci engaging in this line of questioning close to deadline when she knows it's very unlikely that scum ever get me mislynched. And it's also very hard to imagine Nauci thinking that she'd manipulate me into townreading her with this line of questioning. This is very towny from her. And there's other instances of the same thing throughout the game. Her questions have been on point, kinda reminds me of myself.

I have Nauci up there with the worst & Irrelephant as really strong townreads. So I'm very curious about these scumvibes that others get from her??

[the worst]

I think there's a lot of those little creatures quirks in his ISO which doesn't come from scum!Creature and most importantly very rarely from groupscum!Creature

[Shoshin]

the worst, who is in your lynch pool?

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

There certain players you just don't try to explain the weird shit they do, lest you end up in a mental health asylum, and Creature's one of them (as is your humble servant typing this post whose name is definitely NOT Nancy)

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

I don’t know. I’m basing my Creature read on meta but few people hate rolling scum more than Creature and you specifically mentioned “confidence”, which I view as more likely to be a towntell for him than a scumtell.

[Keyser Söze]

So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.

viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz

I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. Bulletpoints would be helpful.

I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.

Yeah okay that's not the worst. The first time I saw creature he was scum twice in a row, our third game together he was town and I was blown over by the depth of differences between his games. That has closed in a bit now but a lot of tells still apply

look for the way he forms townreads there (you're lacking context but hopefully it explains a little?) and the way he hops from wagon to wagon like he's testing what will work, and his tone is substantially more frozen

if you think he's scum here I probably want to be countercased before I'll consider it because I feel faaaairly good about that read

Thanks for this. Maybe I am surface scum reading his wagon ‘hopping’.

Ok, I’ll continue my catching up. The heavy defence of Creature makes me want to throw him into null anyway for D1 (as both town and scum are likely town casing him hard here).

[the worst]

the worst, who is in your lynch pool?

I feel like its probably {NM, Mewtaph, Kokichi}
there's a few slots I don't feel all that good about but don't want lynched D1.. :/

[Keyser Söze]

Thanks Almost Nancy.

[AlmostNancy]

@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?

There certain players you just don't try to explain the weird shit they do, lest you end up in a mental health asylum, and Creature's one of them (as is your humble servant typing this post whose name is definitely [bNOT Nancy[/b])

OMIGOZ, now Nauci let MathBlade into our hydra account. Will this madness never cease?

[skitter30]

Lerf/AlmostNancy/Nauci I think you need to scumcase Xtoxm or move your votes

I don't understand this request

Xtoxm and mew are the two players I have scum cased while waiting for Keyser and saudade-slot to make content

Where are you lynching today when you just eliminated all of the current people wagons and have your vote on a basically empty just replaced in slot!?!

Like you're not showing signs of scum worst but this almost feels like classic scum signs to not be able to scum case anybody O_o

And I don't understand how you're so sure xtoxm is town that you'd sooner go after varsoon!?!

really weird way of approaching tw here becaues i'm not really getting scumvibes from him at all; like i do think he might be struggling to find a good wagon, but i'm not sure why that's scummy here; like i feel the same way about the gamestate here, that i don't have that many explicit scumreads

like tw's vibe about the gamestate makes sense to me; it' doesn't make sense to me that she's describing it as scummy

Creature, this applies to you too. Too close to deadline to be making fun of existing wagons or joking about being wagoned or self voting. Who are you scum reading?

Also

Scum on this site self votes a lot

again, i'm not getting scum!creature here and i don't think scum!creature really votes himself like that like ever? so i'm not really following the bolded; it feels like shade to me

What's the point of this?

I don't want to lynch Key today.

So that ruled out everything but the freshly replaced slot?

pings me the wrong way too; not sure why exactly; kinda feel like she's trying to point away from saudade slot? idk it's more gut

like i'm aware that none of these things are inherently damning but they all ping me and feel like anti-mind-meld-y and i'm not really following her thought process here

[Kokichi Oma]

I love starcraft..anyone wanna tell me anything I should know?

[AlmostNancy]

Thanks Almost Nancy.

[the worst]

I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE

[Shoshin]

I love starcraft..anyone wanna tell me anything I should know?

Your lack of disappointment (about alignment, among other things) feels very telling at this moment...