Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Creature]

When is it? I'm usually up late.

about 7 hours or less from now?

[northsidegal]

VC 4.17

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[3] OkaPoka

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Moongrass 3045, Varsoon 3046, mbaki 3067

[2] mbaki

:

DrDolittle 2273, OkaPoka 2993

[2] Not Voting

:

Creature 2953, Kmd4390 3083

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-20 04:15:59)

Mod Notes

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[Moongrass]

I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.

[Moongrass]

Moongrass is like a worse version of TTTT

I don't see the similarity.

[OkaPoka]

hey can we not lynch me though

[mbaki]

Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.

My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

Nobody thinks ascetic is a fake claim, as far as I know.

[Creature]

Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.

My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

Could be scum ascetic.

Still ascetic, so not a fakeclaim.

[mbaki]

I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.

Ahem.

[Creature]

Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.

If Oka is scum aligned and Varsoon is town, this isn't an issue.

I believe they should inherit Ascetic from the same alignment, but I haven't seen that interaction so can't say for sure.

@Mod

could provide the best answer.

A Universal Backup, upon the first death of a power role of the Universal Backup's alignment, inherits that power role for their own use. The term "power role" refers to any non-vanilla role.

What about modifiers?

[mbaki]

Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.

If Oka is scum aligned and Varsoon is town, this isn't an issue.

I believe they should inherit Ascetic from the same alignment, but I haven't seen that interaction so can't say for sure.

@Mod

could provide the best answer.

A Universal Backup, upon the first death of a power role of the Universal Backup's alignment, inherits that power role for their own use. The term "power role" refers to any non-vanilla role.

Yes, but Ascetic is a modifier and not a role, and it is unclear whether modifiers are also inherited.

[northsidegal]

Any modifiers would also be inherited.

[OkaPoka]

lynching me is very bad

<insert some AtE and emotional backstory so you all feel bad for me and don't want to lynch me>

[Creature]

Any modifiers would also be inherited.

would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?

[mbaki]

Any modifiers would also be inherited.

would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?

Her answer means yes, ascetic would be inherited.

[Moongrass]

I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.

Ahem.

There's 3 of them...how?

[northsidegal]

Any modifiers would also be inherited.

would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?

Yes.

[OkaPoka]

well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good

[Kmd4390]

well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good

The discussion on Varsoon is still beneficial though because it helps me sort you.

[Creature]

So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

[Moongrass]

well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good

Oka, both you and Creature can't be town based on your claims. If we aren't lynching you then we lynch Creature.

[Moongrass]

So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

Yes if both the ascetic and UB are scum, or they are SvT.

[Creature]

So Varsoon/Oka can't be both town?

[OkaPoka]

kmd ive made enough posts about varsoon and i dont feel like making more so sucks to suck but yeah im not in the mood for that

and gs+jk+vig+voyeur was way too townsided so we should lynch one and shoot the other and yeah and so on and things

[mbaki]

So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

If you want to get really technical:

1) your two shot role doesn't fit a setup with no other x-shot roles.
2) Varsoon backing up Ascetic, and then either role confirming he is Ascetic could theoretically soft confirm him as town.
3) the above also applies to Commuter, so from your POV this is true either way.

[mbaki]

So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

Yes if both the ascetic and UB are scum, or they are SvT.

You disagree both can theoretically be town?

Because yo, Creature's role fills the same untargetable function as Oka. I don't think that's how we solve this and if that's why you want Oka over Creature then meh.