Mini 2049: The Townsquare Game Over

[Almost50]

VOTE: Flubber

I'm not gonna be stubborn, but I

really

would rather a No Lynch today. You can lynch whomever you like tomorrow if I'm dead tonight.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think scum!gamma is that brazen tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we nolynch then our JK dies though and we don't know anymore BUT I've learned better than to question your tactics.

VOTE: no lynch

Everyone townreading me should do the same please.

[Almost50]

So in summary I think scum are in {Omo, Lady A} If both of these are wrong then go Flubber.

When you lynch me never lynch Milk.

Why? Why? Why? And why?

Oh, and also WHY would we lynch you too?

P.S. I guess I don't need a response for the first one. I do SR Omochao too. I do want to know why LA, why Flubber and why never lynch milk though.

[Almost50]

If we nolynch then our JK dies though and we don't know anymore BUT I've learned better than to question your tactics.

VOTE: no lynch

Everyone townreading me should do the same please.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Almost50]

If we nolynch then our JK dies though and we don't know anymore BUT I've learned better than to question your tactics.

VOTE: no lynch

Everyone townreading me should do the same please.

Well, THANK YOU

[CheekyTeeky]

Lady A isn't scumhunting if you look below the surface. Her votes kind of save her though. Flubber just looks opportunistic but his reads making no sense seems towny in that he'd need to do better to win as scum. Milk shouldn't be lynched on my flip because that's exactly what scun would try to push because I'm flipping town. I also see no reason for him to claim a fake guilty on me at this point. If it gets closer to lylo or something maybe rethink it but I'd bet money on him being town now.

[Almost50]

OK

[Gamma Emerald]

But we also have something that’s been stopping the scum kills

And you want to tell them what exactly it is? Or are you fishing for it yourself??

Gamma, despite everything we talked about before, I'm afraid I still can't tell town-with-bad-logic!you from manipulative-scum!you.

Well I don’t really think my logic is bad. We probably have an investigative on top of those roles, so we coordinate actions well and we can sort through 3 slots a day probably.

[skitter30]

So I have some info. I am jailkeeper and I've protected cheeky for the last two nights. The first night I thought "did I seriously save the nk?" But I blocked her last night to check. Since there was no kill, one of two things happened: she was the target of an nk twice in a row after failing the first time, or she is scum. I dont think I'm that lucky.

i guess this explanation for the missing nks doesn't sit that well with me - if cheeky is scum and tried to do the nk n1, why would scum choose her to do it again n2 given the fact that it got blocked somehow n1? joges was still alive at this point. and if cheeky is town who got saved n1, why would scum try to nk her again n2 given that it got blocked somehow n1?

i'm also not entirely following why you think she's scum-who-failed-to-kill-twice (ie as opposed to town-who-didn't-get-killed twice)

i can't help but wonder if this is the last scum trying to squeak by another day. but if you're last scum here, you're either going to have to:
a) not nk in order to substantiate your claim (ie and push off endgame while avoiding getting lynched)
b) nk and explain why scum didn't nk you

and it's kinda boxing yourself in

given that, i guess i'm fine leaving this in the absence of another explanation for what happened to the nks but i'm a little skeptical

and ngl in this gamestate i'm a little surprised that scum would have tried to nk cheeky twice, and not tried to kill like ddj or something

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@a50 - how much experience does cheeky have with you?
also why are you townreading flubber?

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Would a massclaim today be bad?

we should prob let the vig do their thing; they seem to be doing pretty well thus far
also i guess jk + vig make some amount of sense together - they're both fairly strong prs individually that like anti-sync with each other because jk can protect the vig but also neutralizes them at the same time; so it's like giving town power but like not enough to become follow-the-cop or anything

==

My vote is still on you until I hear from ducky and skitter, as much as I hate it bc they have sred me, they are my trs atm. Although +town for not 1v1ing me(?) @DDJ could you explain 1013 for me? Maybe elaborate more?

idk i'm still a little skeptical of you and your part in both of the past lynches. i guess i'm a little nervous that you're using the claim as a get-out-of-jail free card given that you were under a fair amount of pressure but like i don't think it particularly makes much sense coming from last scum and there isn't another explanation for the lack of nks at this point so; also not much reason to fake a guilty on cheeky here really

==

Oh you can lynch me just let me get my reads out first.

i think that being chill with being lynched + actually going through and sharing the reads is pretty townie; i think last scum would be a lot more survivalistic here after being mechanically soft-guiltied

i don't really like the flubber vote on cheeky tbh.
or the followup that he'd vote ddj next if she greens

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These reads tell me it's not Lady A or Flubber. Or Skitter.

why not lady angel? i thought joges sheeping her was kinda meh, and i didn't like how robert didn't really have much to say about her vote-parking him besides 'could be inactive, could be scum, who knows'

also i think the day2 gamestate kinda makes sense with lurking scum kinda just waiting for a lynch to happen

==

I'm not gonna be stubborn, but I really would rather a No Lynch today. You can lynch whomever you like tomorrow if I'm dead tonight.

uh if we no-lynch and milk is town he's dead unless he stops the nk again

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Hmmm.. tell me more. How do you organize between a hypothetical Cop, a hypothetical Vig and hypothetical JK?
First, the proposed JK can't protect either of them because of the RB effect of them. So, the Cop is dead tonight.
The JK does not auto clear their target, unless we

know

only one scum remains, which we don't.
I'd say we best leave things as they are for tonight, and if there's a tomorrow we can revisit the idea of mass claiming.

@skitter: Cheeky knows me well enough. Flubber is a gut read. I think No Lynch is our best bet regardless of whether we have 1 or 2 remaining scums. Trust me.

[themilkcartonkid]

Question: does vig stop nk? That could explain one (or maybe both) lacks of nks. Also, ddj, talk with me here bc I'm apparently nevertown to skitter

[Omochao]

The fuck even. Omo explain how you didn't vote joges here?

idk

I probably felt that one post wasn't enough to warrant a vote? who knows

[Omochao]

Question: does vig stop nk?

no.

[Flubbernugget]

I will first I want to hear why milk decided to JK me twice and why he didn't say anything after the first time.

Then I would like to know why flubber thinks it makes any sense for me to be JK'd two nights in a row where scum die both nights (people I was voting/pushing) and still be scum.

I want to say milk isn't scum but I fake crumbed pretty hard yesterday and he still JK'd me and scum still tried to kill me apparently so I'm pretty confused about wtf is going on.

I dont know why towns cant comprehend outing their results here but it's bitten me in the ass enough times to know to just go with it

[Flubbernugget]

This makes zero sense as a scum gambit. You're basically guaranteed to get cc'd fakeclaiming this and even in the chance there's two scum that's just a stupid trade to make.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not sure what your argument is about apart from assuming milk is town which I think most people are coming around to?

Flubber why are you scumreading DDJ?

[DuckDuckJab]

Give me a break A50.. if you don't want to play the game don't expect people to follow you. You must know by now that you've made this game harder than it needed to be. Not to mention the whole thor thing. I don't blame you for thor's lynch but I blame you for making thor suspect you.

You claim effin commuter and then you suddenly believe a JK claim stopped two kills in a row? Yeah-fucking-right

The king of NK-baiting doesn't suspect that maybe he got shot? Don't make me laugh


Sorry CT, you're a great NK for scum if you're town but I don't think you're the only target. It makes 0 sense for you to be the target twice.

My partner wants to keep you and Milk both alive and I'm not interested in arguing with him when there are at least some advantages to that I guess so I'll go with majority opinion here on milk.. but we're not no lynching.

Investigative(s) should check skitter in case we have 4 scum.
We should lynch either omochao or lady.

Scum are already outed in this game.. the shitty part is that we also apparently have townies that have posted TMI-sounding things and it's been a pain in the ass trying to sort which is which.

Also for the record gamma was a strong SR for me day 1 but I can't read gamma at all because he's now at the grandmaster level of mafia where he could be any alignment and also he efforts more as scum so it's hard to know when he's being pro-town because he's town or because he's faking. My opinion on him anyway. But like voting patterns suggest he's town if I ignore my spidey senses.

As for flubber I think scum would have bussed him if he were scum with them. He doesn't sound like he's following any particular agenda or working with a particular team, if that makes sense to anyone. Him not being pushed much until now makes me think he's town honestly. Though I wish he would suspect people that could actually flip scum instead of me and CT.

-BuJ

[DuckDuckJab]

To summarize the post above:

A50 is either lying or not thinking clearly.
Lynch should be omochao or lady.

[CheekyTeeky]

Buj why won't you no lynch? We have nothing to lose this game is basically in the bag. I suggest you do because A50's gambits can be lucrative. I also low key know why. If I get JK'd again and there's still no kill which is really worst case scenario then you guys lynch me and then omo. If you let best case scenario happen it would benefit us all. I just need you to trust that I trust A50 with this and we aren't going to lose even if it blows up in our faces. Please.

[DuckDuckJab]

We gain more from the flip than we do from 'not risking a mislynch'.

Basically the only downside to lynching is that you MIGHT kill a townie.

If we are indeed winning (there is a wild theory between me and tw that involves a delayed kill mechanic which could mean we're in trouble but I have decided not to assume the improbable), then it makes sense to take more risks than less.

Compare that to no lynch:
-If there is a vig (most likely explanation) they can still kill again if we lynch.
-If there is a cop with a guilty, we should have heard from them by now. Unless we literally lynch them the risk of scum shooting the cop doesn't change much if we lynch or no lynch. (Only 1 less choice)
-If there is a way to prove someone's innocence or prove what Milk is saying, no lynch would affect such a role unless we literally lynch that role.

So unless we are about to lynch someone and they claim one of the above and we believe their claim there is no reason to not lynch.

And even if we do end up forcing a cop to out themselves to avoid a lynch, we can use them as bait for the NK.

Lynch is far more information than no lynch. Lynch would not stop the majority of pro-town night actions unless we lynch specific PRs. Lynch is less risky when we're winning. Lynch gives us a chance at outright winning before scum can take another move (if only 1 remains).

-BuJ

[CheekyTeeky]

I'll let A50 make the case for himself but what you're saying is what I thought until I decided not to question it.

[Lady Angel]

I'm wondering if it's worth going tinfoil hat on this setup, I'm trying to rationalize how two scum died in two nights

[CheekyTeeky]

I think don't fix it if it ain't broke. There's no reason to care why scum died at this point but more why didn't any town die.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 3.1

Flavor to be added.

With 9 Alive, it's 5 to lynch!

CheekyTeeky: (2) themilkcartonkid (1007), Flubbernugget (1024),
themilkcartonkid: (0)
Lady Angel: (0)
Flubbernugget: (0)
skitter30: (0)
Omochao: (0)
Gamma Emerald: (0)
DuckDuckJab: (0)
Almost50: (0)

No Lynch: (2) CheekyTeeky (1052), Almost50 (1054),

Not Voting (5): Gamma Emerald, skitter30, Lady Angel, Omochao, DuckDuckJab (1013),


Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-01-27 13:00:00).

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Day 3.

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skitter30 is permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

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Omochao is V/LA until 1/15/19.