Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Near x Mello]

see cerb

thats what im talking about

[Amzela]

Aaaaaaye C&Y are back!

Cerb, darling, ball’s back in your court. Yay for being useless!

[Cerberus v666]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

[Near x Mello]

not surprised

[Joan of Arc]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Why are you ignoring me too?

[Cerberus v666]

How am I ignoring you? I am definitely skimming everything you're saying about NxM and mastina, but in general I'm definitely noting everything you're saying about literally anyone else.

You're just not saying much about other subjects.

[Pink Ball]

@Elena, on night 1 I was PMed that I was targeted without any kind of flavor or anything, but in this last night I didn't get that PM; do you have any kind of proof that I was targeted by you? Did you recieve some kind of info or something?

[Joan of Arc]

Not only that, but he is voting reading things mastina wrote in depth, because he knows if he were to read them in depth, he'd be forced to admit that she is town and give up on his planned mislynch, and this is not something he can afford to do with two of his teammates dead.

I was talking about this, mostly @Cerb

[Near x Mello]

on night 1 I was PMed that I was targeted without any kind of flavor or anything

that was prolly robert?

[Near x Mello]

pink and torque

should i reconsider my townread on rp

how do you feel about them

[Near x Mello]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Like this could very well be a scum agenda if its something like rp/Chito or rp/elena

[Pink Ball]

I don't think Cerb would fall in something that newbie as scum. If you want to scumread that slot, or any other slot outside mastina/Elena/A50, who are like the main characters of this anime, you'll have to give a better read I think, or no one will follow.

[Near x Mello]

what is your opinion right now

[Pink Ball]

I'm trying to townread slots to get a better PoE. Unfortunately, a toxic environvment makes me not trust anyone and that's not good.

I would say that my biggest townread is Torque. I had Chito and Yuuri as town too, but a scumflip on mastina would be damning for that slot, and your recent interactions with them were strange, like different from what the rest of the game has been for them.

I want to believe both you and A50 are town. A50 because of Channel interactions, you because you would be correctly reading him and townreading A50 from your perspective is not necessary, even suboptimal as scum.

That leaves me with Joan, mastina, Cerb and Amz, Elena and C&Y outside my biggest townreads. So even if I townread Joan, Cerb and Amz and C&Y more than mastina and Elena, I'm not townreading them as hard as I would like to be comfortable to push the other two remaining players. My PoE is not strong enough.

[Near x Mello]

you can safely remove Joan from that. Among the remaining {mastina, RP, Elena, Chito-Yuuri} what teams do you think make most sense?

[Pink Ball]

Elena and Chito

[mastina]

I also note you have no counter to 4749.

Because it doesnt need one. You're stretching based on flavor.

No, I'm not.
Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

[mastina]

people go after mastina: they cant be her buddies
people dont mention mastina: they cant be her buddies

Yes, exactly.
People who defend me can be buddies.

Nobody is defending me.

My point was that if Chito and Yuuri were my scumbuddy, they WOULD mention me--in defense of my actions/stances.

[mastina]

Not only that, but he is voting reading things mastina wrote in depth, because he knows if he were to read them in depth, he'd be forced to admit that she is town and give up on his planned mislynch, and this is not something he can afford to do with two of his teammates dead.

You're all going to feel really stupid when you realize that of all people.

It was Joan who got things right.

She'll never let you forget it in future games, either.

Your best hope of saving yourself the trouble in future games is to trust her in this game and with that trust, be able to point to it and say "I contributed just as much" so she can't hold it over you.

[mastina]

Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Hey Cerb.

Really important I catch your attention with this.

You're good with mechanics right.

So what do you say about this?

Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

[mastina]

should i reconsider my townread on rp

The only way Reasonably Psychotic could be scum is if they are scum with Chito and Yuuri--which would, by necessity, mean that I am town.

Y'know.

The person you're still voting.

Nice try to widen up the mislynch pool and also nice try not to follow the obvious chain of events. (If you doubt someone's status as town and there is a role which causes that player to be innocent, you'd lynch the person claiming the role causing that player to be innocent first.)

I've been quite consistent in my approach: shrinking the lynch pool to the point of containing the scum.

You've been quite consistent in your approach as well; widening the lynch pool to the point of allowing anyone in the game to be scum. Except for those that'd be inconvenient to call scum.

[Near x Mello]

id take you more seriously if you werent arguing that joan, who does not understand a single thing i do, is right about what im doing

like its super obvious for everyone not joan that what i was saying was that you should be lynched before you manipulate people into townreading you

Joan takes that to mean "wisdom doesnt want mastina to obvtown"

which is bullshit and everyone knows so

and yet you come and support that joan is right

I cant take you seriously after that

No matter what way i look at it, youre trying to benefit from joan's dislike of me to manipulate people into scumreading me/not sheeping me

[Near x Mello]

widening the lynch pool to the point of allowing anyone in the game to be scum.

yeah ok more bs

my doubt is over, you can die

[Near x Mello]

ive fought for the whole fucking game to ensure that almost, dunn, singleton, gamma, and even joan wont be touched despite numerous attempts from numerous people

Ive been using poe to close in on scum since the first moment

And the moment i give you the courtesy of reconsidering my scumread on you you argue that im widening the pool

get rope

[mastina]

And by the way, I did the calculations.
It is possible to lynch Almost50.
Myself, Joan, Cerb, Amzela, Elena is 5/6 needed.
From there, any of Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball willing to vote there would be a hammer.

I'm not as sure I can get Near x Mello lynched today--there's myself and Joan, but I'm not sure I can count on the support of Cerb/Amzela or Elena; I'm even less sure I can get Chito/Yuuri, Torque, or Pink Ball there.

The alternative lynch is then, Elena--I can probably get Joan here, and Chito/Yuuri is a definitive, with Pink Ball as another supporter; 4/6 there, with a need for two from Cerb/Amzela, Torque, and Near x Mello.

Possible, but less desirable at this point.
Because I maintain my position.

Elena is possible scum.
I don't think she

is

scum, but she's possible scum. Being possible scum, who is scumread widely, and whose death would conftown Pink Ball when Pink Ball is unkillable, is a huge net benefit for the town--but I don't think she'll flip scum.

So (bleeped because bleep the mod)it, I'm going for it.
VOTE: Almost50.