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I also don’t need an excuse to look busy.

Go check your facts and look at my scum and town games and see which of those I do the “don’t know where scum is”. My style is literally waiting around then pouncing when scum try and make a crappy play. If you’re town, that’s a terrible post because literally the majority of these players know how tryhard of a scum player I am.

I’ve also been said that i play the scum mastermind role when scum, and that my strongest trait is that I’m extremely consistent and can push a scum agenda and make it seem townie.

Here I literally have no agenda.

So stop with that weak ass push. i don’t have the time or the solid internet connection on my phone to deal with a longated back and forth.

This is literally why I scum read you in the first place. Your Shiidaji push made me seem like you might have just been bad town finally putting it together, but it’s seeming more and more like you’re just trying to get a mislynch at this point.

I don’t know if I’ll have the time to deal with this, so I’m a PR.

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However, your post on me looks like a crappy excuse to move the wagons.

says the guy who presented as trying to hammer a slot and then immediately called that slot town =/

I've had a town read on you all game, could you explain what happened there?

I thought I was hammering.

That’s my catchphrase and one of my special moves.

You can go ahead and check that. When I’m not active, a lot of times I’ll come out of nowhere and hammer like that. I’ve done it as both alignments, but I do it much more as town.

It’s because I just lurk more and don’t follow the game as much when I’m town.

When I’m scum, there’s not a single thing that I’m not aware of. I’ll link you

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viewtopic.php?f=94&t=77794&start=200

Here’s the level of mind I have when I’m scum. Check those last few pages.

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Like especially when it comes to a player like me, activity is just a bad case.

I’ve had over 1k posts as scum and over 1k posts as town. I’ve also had games where I did nothing but fluff posts. Life just takes precedence sometimes, but I still gotta post a little, ya know? Games go for a while, certain times I’m gonna be more active than others.

Day 2 is generally one of my more inactive days, I feel anyways.

Day 1’s a lot of times I’ll miss like half the day, but other times I’ll be a driving force.

Q

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you're not confident flips is town anymore?
i also don't have any amazing scumreads but that's the usual. i'm confident enough in Shii town that i'm willing to play by his rhythm.

Yeah, I’m not. I started looking back at Flips and he hopped on the Burken.

He also hasn’t done anything in a while, which also incriminates L8 a bit to me.

I feel a little chainsawed, tbh. Like, he might’ve seen me start turning on Flips so L8 comes at me for a reason that he could push Flips for the same reason.

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Classic me, though. I see my name in a skim, and it sets me off enough to get back invested into the game.

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Like, I'm pretty confident in scum!insomnia. When he's scum there is a disconnect between his thought processes and mine that I just can't bridge. The logic he uses just repels me, and it's actually difficult for me to read it. I dunno if that makes sense. I'm still trying to put it into words.

But you don't wanna do insomnia, let's do TLK, ya?

I feel like they’re both town.

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Back to “town never knows who scum is”

Literally anyone who knows me

You think I’m humble enough to not thing I’m correct when i’m Pushing?

I’m gonna find scum this game too. simple as that.

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I feel like they’re both town.

gross

Nah. It’s gross that people don’t think this, tbh, but then I realize people just cant analyze as well as I can. Their wagons look exactly like scum keeping the wagons even, which kinda incriminates Vedith a little bit for me.

Wagon analysis is kinda one of my things.

Yes, this post was meant to shade people. No one in particular, though.

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Sorry, I get pissed off when people use a crappy reason like low content, activity, or lack of pushes when it comes to me.

I was here the majority of freaking day 1. Seriously, get out of here with that crap. Just because I have a lull in activity.

L8’s just mediocre scum making a mediocre scum play at this point.

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Nah. It’s gross that people don’t think this, tbh, but then I realize people just cant analyze as well as I can. Their wagons look exactly like scum keeping the wagons even, which kinda incriminates Vedith a little bit for me.

Wagon analysis is kinda one of my things.

Yes, this post was meant to shade people. No one in particular, though.

Do you town read them by their play at all?

They’re scummy in tone, both of them, but I don’t think either of them are scummy by play. TLK has the tone you just wanna lynch, and Insomnia just posts odd. They give off a “one of them have to be scum vibe” and I feel like scum have positioned it in a way where they can potentially get both of them killed, but it wasn’t happening here, so L8 moved onto me.

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You really don't come off as pissed off, imo. You read to me like you're having fun making these posts.

Well, to be honest, I like getting worked up in Mafia, and I like Mafia, so that is a true statement still.

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VOTE: L8

Omgus.

Sheep me.

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You want me to come out of low content stuff? Caused your own death. :shrug:

That was a push by L8 on a high profile target.

It was solid because my last real content, I was calling him town so if I pushed him, he felt like he could probably get some momentum from that, but I’m one of the most erratic town players, and one of the most consistent/genuine scum.

there’s not a single mishap that I made in that game I linked, and I became mechanically and objectively confirmed town as both a Mafia Member and SK. Yes, I like bragging on that game, which is the main reason i bring it up, but yeah.

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L8 looks to me like he's doing what he knows how to do to progress the game. Vote somebody to make them post.

I agree, both TLK and insomnia read scummy.

Let's lynch one of them.

Like I said before, I was trying to hammer. Idk why you’re trying to convince me. I’m not like opposed to em. I get the pushes. I have no interest in pushing them, though. Most of the stuff on them is NAI, I feel.

I even liked TLK’s unvote of Insomnia, and people seemed to happy with Insomnia’s wagon.

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Too*

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But like I said, I’m using Dr Easy Bake’s xfinity account for WiFi right now, so it’s in and out, and I’m moving out of my apartment, and working this new job, and modding a large theme, so...I’ll try and get to this when I can, but I might even VLA for a bit. Just not in the head space.

You wanna take advantage and try and push me when I’m gone. Sure.

Half want to say one of the people who know me might be scum then, which actually, I feel only TLK and DEB would think of something like that, so maybe not.

I’m thinking it’s Flips/L8/Vedith. Which would explain a Creature kill who was being town read by DEB and myself in a way where we probably wouldn’t ever have went there. I guess Chara could fit that, but idk.

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L8 just screamed chainsaw to me, though

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I’m worked up.

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But like a low energy chill kinda of worked up, where I’m just kinda spewing whatever comes to my mind, not caring to filter, kinda not even putting too much thought into the game beyond just simplified interactions, which I guess is actually a solid way of analyzing.

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Idk why you’re trying to convince me

Frankly, I've been questioning my read on you since your dramatic display and push off of the insomnia wagon, and this whole bravado thing is stoking that paranoia. I was hoping you'd reconsider because I'm wondering if this isn't a way of getting the spotlight off of a partner

Could be. I’d make a better case if that were the scenario.

I’ve semi thought you’ve been trying to pocket me all game, though.

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To be fair, I was talking with DEB earlier, saying “i have no clue what i’m Gonna do at home now that it’s basically empty tonight”

Apparently I’m playing mafia. I’ve been not putting a lot of effort here for a bit which is rough because I’m in a decent amount of games and modding.

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Could be. I’d make a better case if that were the scenario.

I’ve semi thought you’ve been trying to pocket me all game, though.

Great, so let's lynch scum and rekindle our love

Nobody’s at L-1.

I said I’d hammer. :shrug:

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You should also know that I strategically play scummy as town because people like to night kill me.

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L8’s probably town tbh

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Why is Chara not a town read for you?

Why is Chara a town read for you?

Eh, chara’s probably town.

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You can go check to see how I played as innocent child semi recently in a large normal. I didn’t do crap. I trolled all game, made random reads, then came in late game with the heavy solve.

That’s just kinda what I do in the mid game.

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I mean, Chara was 100% correct on Creature by meta wise, but traitor doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s true.

I feel Chara’s townie for some of their perspectives on certain slots, like “this is why blah blah” i guess that’s basically what you said but in worse out words

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I’m just gonna lurk out until I can hammer this day phase and stay scummy enough to use my role more.

Side note; I WIFOM scum with this crap. I’ve definitely been 1 shot BP and claimed investigative and stuff like that.

I also claimed 5 separate times as town before.

I just like talking about myself, can you tell?

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I killed Creature.

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did you really? what changed your mind on him?

Nah, I didn’t.

I probably targeted someone like Burken.

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I like the fact that Chara didn’t really believe me, but didn’t scum read me for it, and at the same time doesn’t hate me for it.

That should speak miles about the type of player I am.

Also, Chara probably town because I don’t see a purpose of them defending me here.

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Could have just stayed quiet instead

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when we lynch outside of {insomnia, TLK} and I'm nightkilled, lynch em both please

FL is too frustrating when he's like this. I'm going to bed.

I could probably go Vedith. I have him as the third scum.

And would fit with my balancing the 2 wagons theory.

I need to give L8 some aloe vera first, though, because I’m gonna scorch him with that third Degree Boon first.

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Doesn’t look like his previous scum game to me.

He got one over me in a newbie game.

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He was able to control the game completely in his favor as scum.

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Oh god...oh god...

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Aahhh... no

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Aaaaahhhhhhh

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If we go down...

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Then we go down together!!!

VOTE: TLK

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If I die look through my posts for N1

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I have a soft guilty on L8.

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Oh, I’m soft guiltied.

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I don’t know what happened there. I’m town, though.

Night 1/2 Loyal Night 3/4 Disloyal Vanilla Cop.

Burken Night 1.

Can lynch me tomorrow.

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I made a different crumb and was in my spot of pretending to make scum think I was a PR when i was VT, but I was actually PR.

I’ll find the posts.

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I killed Creature.

did you really? what changed your mind on him?

Nah, I didn’t.

I probably targeted someone like Burken.

Here’s where I made a post stating that I targeted Burke. With the way I was playing I was trying to make it where scum didn’t want to kill me because they thought I was faking a PR, so I was making it awkwardly obvious.

But I was actually a PR. It’s a thing I do more than the opposite, tbh. If I were killed, and my loyal/disloyal flipped you’d see this as an obvious crumb.

There’s another, let me look

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Yeah, I got confused about the technical breadcrumping stuff.

Or else I’d have been talking

v

ery accurately not instead lollygagging little A-person2, can’t only please.

I believe crumbing is okay, but technical crumbing isn’t a thing that generally comes up.

Look right here.

Look where I put a bolder V, right? It’s bolder.

Now take every first letter of every word after that.

Very
Accurately
Not
Instead
Lollygagging
Little
A-person2

Can’t
Only
Please

Vanilla Cop. I thought it was also decently obvious when you look back after my death.

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I’m just gonna lurk out until I can hammer this day phase and stay scummy enough to use my role more.

Side note; I WIFOM scum with this crap. I’ve definitely been 1 shot BP and claimed investigative and stuff like that.

I also claimed 5 separate times as town before.

I just like talking about myself, can you tell?

Here’s where I was giving you the blueprint of what i was doing with the trying to WIFOM scum

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Maybe I got rolestopped.

I got no result targeting L8, though.

Maybe there’s a multitasking JOAT, I could have been blocked too, though, so it’s just a soft guilty.

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There were 4 scum, scum with PR’s easily could have multiple.

We had an ungated disloyal Vig. This game is PR heavy

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There’s actually a world where Insomnia, L8, and myself are all green, but that’s hilarious if that’s happened.

1 or both of them are scum 100% of the time here.

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I just wanted it all out here on notice because I know that scum can stop actions because I got my result, and u r a had that result.

I didn’t even know I was guiltied until after I posted. I was excited about having a soft guilty and then saw I had a legit soft guilty on me too. It was actually pretty hilarious. Kind of like a “well, that’s unfortunate...” kinda moment.

I actively went against myself if that were the case.

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I want it out there that the bit from your morality scum win that you seemed most proud of was talking your way out of a guilty.

Okay, yes, I love that, but this is a soft guilty, not a hard guilty. Soft guilty’s are weak for my pride. Nah, that’s fine too, but it’s not the same as a hard guilty.

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I'm just saying that when insomnia flips red without an ability that would affect the results, and i've been night killed and confirmed, you should be the lynch.

But...if L8’s town, we lose in that case.

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I was far too incredibly specific with my crumbs for that to not be a thing.

And we’ve had a disloyal and a loyal claim already. The game’s around those.

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I don't understand why your first instinct is to assume i'm real.

I think you're just scum who thought you had me pocketed.

No, I just have seen you as town since the beginning of the game, and there’s no way you’d have claimed that as scum to me with how pocketed you would have had me.

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It’s a soft guilty, and I had been claiming a PR all game

And Multitasking JOAT is a thing, i could have been rolestopped and jailed

Or Ura was jailed, and you’re scum.

Or Ura was jailed, and you were rolestopped.

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Also, you say I get some claims from that claim?

I claimed a result on Burken, and a No Result on you. What would that matter?

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It’s a soft guilty, and I had been claiming a PR all game

And Multitasking JOAT is a thing, i could have been rolestopped and jailed

Or Ura was jailed, and you’re scum.

Or Ura was jailed, and you were rolestopped.

Also, you say I get some claims from that claim?

I claimed a result on Burken, and a No Result on you. What would that matter?

Oh, I was assuming Scum roles. I understand what you mean now. I wasn’t even thinking of a town role having those powers to claim if they were. Scum didnt even have to be the ones to block, I guess. I just didn’t think town would choose to block me.

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EBWOP

It’s a soft guilty, and I had been claiming a PR all game

And Multitasking JOAT is a thing, i could have been rolestopped and jailed

Or Ura was jailed, and you’re scum.

Or Ura was jailed, and you were rolestopped.

There are a lot of ways it could have been mucked with. You and URAP2 on the same night seems unlikely though.

Also, you say I get some claims from that claim?

You do if somebody professes innocence by roleclaiming.

I claimed a result on Burken, and a No Result on you. What would that matter?

What was the result on Burkenstock?

I mean, I can give the read out...but the fact I got a read means he’s town.

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He’s Vanilla. Burken wasn’t going to get killed anyways. Doesn’t matter if I out it

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if this game is 4 scum with 3 cop abilities and scum abilities to fuck up those results

that's not a normal game by any reasonable definition. It's basically let's roll the dice and see if it fucks town or scum

Normal games have been pretty crazy lately. NK15 had a large normal a while ago with 3 multitasking JOATS.

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if this game is 4 scum with 3 cop abilities and scum abilities to fuck up those results

that's not a normal game by any reasonable definition. It's basically let's roll the dice and see if it fucks town or scum

More likely town has/had some heavy PRs to make up for facing 4 scum. Scum might have a couple of light PRs, which might include a rolestopper or something similar but I'm thinking that a heavy scum PR or a lot of scum PRs is unlikely. We know that we have VTs so goons seem likely as balance.

So like one Multitasking JOAT.

URA could have just been blocked, and you’re just scum. I’m probably overthinking it.

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ScumYou has to come at me because you have that soft guilty pressure on you.

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There’s the world where we’re all town still. You’re just painting it in a bad light. I’m green. If we lynch me, that becomes lylo, if you’re town, you do NOT lynch you. Ura’s is a tainted result, I’m town.

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If you’re scum, just keep spouting what you spout.

VOTE: Insomnia

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Stop. Get off.

L8’s scum.

@Dr Easy Bake - I got a No Result on you last night. Night 3 I’m disloyal, which means I was blocked or you’re town.

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Scum may have a powerful role, but we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Just a traitor and a goon.

Leaf's flip will shine some light on his soft-guilty on me and on how likely a strong scum PR is.

Important note: I did not observe anybody else skulking around URAP last night, just Vedith.

This is a scum claim.

If my soft guilty “shines light” on him, then that indicates he’s seeing things from a scum perspective because tomorrow’s lylo.

Also, Vedith doesn’t vote me here if we’re scum together. I can link you a game where we literally went ride or die.

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Also, as scum, there’s no way I let Vedith make that kill over me.

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Someone unvote so we can at least talk about this

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@Dr Easy - I need you to unvote if you’re town.

L8/Vedith are likely the scum team and they’re setting up an end game path.

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Scum may have a powerful role, but we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Just a traitor and a goon.

Leaf's flip will shine some light on his soft-guilty on me and on how likely a strong scum PR is.

Important note: I did not observe anybody else skulking around URAP last night, just Vedith.

This is a scum claim.

If my soft guilty “shines light” on him, then that indicates he’s seeing things from a scum perspective because tomorrow’s lylo.

Read what I wrote.

Your flip will shine light on your soft-guilty.
- If you flip red then it's BS and we can ignore it.
- If you flip green then we have to consider your soft-guilty in light of URAP's soft-guilty being tainted.

Lol, no, that literally puts you in LYLO tomorrow AND you’re setting yourself up to be off the table.

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@Dr Easy Bake - you need to unvote.

L8 literally has claimed he saw Vedith Target Ura, and he’s going me.

I have a soft guilty on L8 that I claimed yesterday.

He’s pushing a narrative for when i flip green that “scum has a strong power” when I more than likely just have a guilty on L8.

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@Dr Easy - I need you to unvote if you’re town.

L8/Vedith are likely the scum team and they’re setting up an end game path.

Why would L8 call me out if we were Scum together?

Bus credit for an end game path.

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@Professor Simple Cook - I got my result on you.

Anyone get a neighborhood with URA?

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I have a valid reason to visit URA.
No way does L8 ever vote me here without a claim as town.

He doesn’t vote me here either.

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Can you just wait...I’m in the city.

Burkenstock slot, i have a soft inno on you

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I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts

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so in terms of flipped roles there's a goon, a traitor, a disloyal vigilante, and a 3 shot loyal neighbourizer who successfully baited the scum kill once he was out of shots. (good job u2)
unless i missed that he claimed limited shots, but i don't believe he did. anyway, it isn't important.

and flavor claims odd-night disloyal even-night loyal something.

Night 1/2 Loyal Night 3/4 Disloyal Vanilla cop.

Yeah, that’s why I’m thinking it’s just L8/Vedith

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Can you just wait...I’m in the city.

Burkenstock slot, i have a soft inno on you

why are you telling players you have specific innos on them rather than telling the thread what your results are? townies already know they're townies.

Well, I’ve already said all my results is why. So I’m reiterating.

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L8 is literally just painting a picture so he can get out of his soft guilty tomorrow.

He brings up the killing me to see more of the setup potential, but killing him does the EXACT same thing.

Occam’s razor = L8 is scum.

I literally claimed my role in advanced. I was asking what technical breadcrumbing and what was different about that compared to normal crumbing. You can go back and see, because this is how I crumb.

If I was scum, I’d have just asked in the scum thread :shrug:

URA targeted me, got roleblocked or I was rolestopped. If you don’t believe there’s a combination of that, then L8 is scum.

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The only way L8 is town here is if scum were able to stop both my shot and URA’s, which is possible lately with the roles, but if the case is going to be pushed against me, when occam’s Razor is just L8 is scum pushing it on me when the SAME argument can be made for him.

Which is hypocritical.

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Bland Branch's claim seems too specific to be fake but it could also be too specific to be real. Not knowing what roles are out there is definitely something I'm not used to. Now with RAS' vote on him though coming so easily, it lessens his claim that Vedith and L8 are scum in my opinion.

Why does that lessen the claim?

I have a hard inno on the RAS slot.

Loyal means when I target non town, my role is stopped. I got a Result Night 1.

I targeted L8 Night 2, no result, meaning the role was stopped, or L8’s scum.

Night 3 I am now Disloyal, which is the opposite, my role only works on people who ARE scum, and I didn’t get a result on you.

So if I wasn’t blocked, and you’re not Ascetic, it happened because you’re just town.

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Also, L8’s probably something like an Ascetic Roleblocker, and just blocked URA.

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With so many Loyal/Disloyal modifiers, Ascetic fits in perfectly.

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The only way L8 is town here is if scum were able to stop both my shot and URA’s, which is possible lately with the roles, but if the case is going to be pushed against me, when occam’s Razor is just L8 is scum pushing it on me when the SAME argument can be made for him.

Which is hypocritical.

No.

The explanation that you're scum (and I'm not) requires only one assumption that we already know is in play. We know that there are scum and this scenario assumes that you're one of them. If you're scum then URAP's soft guilty on you is entirely accurate and your soft guilty on me is a fabrication.

The explanation that I'm scum (and you're not) requires the added assumption of the existence of some sort of scum PR for which we don't have evidence. You need that to explain away URAP's soft guilty on you.

I think that you just nicked yourself with Occam's Razor.

Completely false and blatant misrep.

You’re arguing literally the exact same thing. We knew yesterday there was a soft guilty. There’s a lot of loyal/disloyal in this game. This is SUPPOSED to happen.

I claimed soft guilty on you prior to even reading there was a soft guilty on me.

There’s zero reason as scum for me to claim a soft guilty on you after a soft guilty on me.

Like, that’s just not a scum play.

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Also, voting doesn’t “lack conviction”. I’m obviously wanting to lynch you. I don’t need to put my vote there.

If anything that’s another reason I’m town.

There’s literally no reason to soft guilty you after being soft guiltied. It would just muddy the waters in a bad way.

If I had just said nothing, then I could have argued that there was just a single block rather than having to bring up the potential of 2 blocks, but I know I’m town, and I know my result on you.

You’re the one having to argue that there’s 2 things to stop stuff.

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L8 didn’t even bring up Ascetic possibilities or anything, he just wanted to hop on and push the notion of “crazuto believe there’s 2 roles”

That looks like insider knowledge who knows there isn’t, and there’s just an Ascetic.

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And L8 just continues to hatchet discredit with the analysis of “nope could just be this. “Nope it could be this”

Without actually analyzing. He is actively deflecting conversation and slapping it to the ground.

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Spoiler:

Hi Shiidaji.

Odd choices. Wilky's been popular, though I disagree. Chara has seemed relatively town. I'm back and forth on FLeaf, though always weak leans.

What are you seeing that I'm not?

We're approaching the end of Day 1 early next week (Tuesday?) and it has been a long, slow day. Wagons are on Burkenstock and Flippy ATM.

In addition John Marv slot is town so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.

How do you figure? John Marv made all of 3 posts and Scepticism has been mostly MIA.

Does this look like a scumslip to anybody else?

In addition John Marv slot is town...

Here's John Marv's total contribution to the game:

VOTE: L84Dnr wagon

Vedith Persivul maybe town

Hallo

Three whole posts that you could type in under a minute. I can't fathom how Shiidaji is getting a town read so solid that he can state that "John Marv is town" with such certainty out of those three lines.

...so when Scepticism replaced and posted it reassured me of this because he felt the same way as I did skimming through.

And then goes on to laud Scepticism, who has only been marginally more active and whose first act was to vote Wilky based on what I consider to be rubbish reasoning. Possible scumwagon?

Something is fundamentally wrong here and Shiidaji needs to explain it. I don't like to do this to somebody replacing in but this is a whole lot of red flags.

VOTE: Shiidaji

I feel like L8’s defending Wilky because I’m scum leaning Wilky, and this trying to hatchet me out of it so I can’t push my scum reads without having it turn on me.

I'm ambivalent on Wilky.

Give me your read on John Marv.

I feel like L8’s defending Wilky because I’m scum leaning Wilky, and this trying to hatchet me out of it so I can’t push my scum reads without having it turn on me.

I'm ambivalent on Wilky.

Give me your read on John Marv.

Null af. The slot’s done nothing.

Precisely. Now how does Shiidaji's townread of John Marv strike you?

L8 honey that's really sweet you must have spent a lot of time thinking about it but I'm going to just stick that right there on the fridge, put my hand in yours, and we're going to get through this, okay? I'm here for you.

I really hope that you have a better explanation than that.

You just townread a no-show with firm certainty. Explain.

Marv's three little bitty posts give me happy feelings

please talk to me about this and about how scepticism's posts confirmed these thoughts for you

Sure, L8 and Chara asked yesterday too Let's satisfy.

VOTE: L84Dnr wagon

Vedith Persivul maybe town

Hallo

I like quick curt comments like this and generally townread them when they seem brash and posted without thinking. That's reflected in my D1 Creature read. The wagon vote, a read that I agree with and a read that I know is correct, and the prod dodge that isn't some long-winded excuse followed by a replacement all lean me towards town. To me scum are more inclined to provide fluff or false content to fill out their prod dodge posts because it helps them coast more smoothly. That is where my head was at!

I'm not buying it.

VOTE: Shiidaji

You got a firm read out of John Marv's three one-liners, the longest of which is four words? Pull the other one. It has bells on. This is nothing but a post-hoc excuse for scum-slip.

Your actions today don't match your words. You think TLK and Leaf are scum, but while you're tunnelling Leaf you're voting TLK. This smacks of insincerity and distancing.

L8 also hard pushed Shiidajii when Shiidajii came in and called Insomnia slot town in a very fabricated way.

[Flavor Leaf]

And L8 vs Creature also makes sense when you look back at the Creature not trying to really push L8, but almost seeming in an unlynchable position, then Creature dying.

I don’t kill Creature there ever. Too much history between us that I’d be able to abuse.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not how I did it. That’s just not a scum play.

Where’s the scum agenda?

I didn’t even push you with it because it was a SOFT guilty.

It’s how you reacted afterwards and since then.

You’re probably just an Ascetic scum

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s just another misrep on your part.

I didn’t push the guilt towards you, you can go back and look. I very much said soft guilty and was willing to analyze and consider that you weren’t just scum because I get soft guilties, hard Innos in the beginning, then hard guilties and soft innos later. I debated just targeting you again last night, tbh.

There’s also not a world where I don’t make the kill last night in whatever scum team I would be on. I’m known a scum one of the most helpful scum teammates. As scum, the correct play would have been to do the kill, and if someone catches it, go out swinging. That way it doesn’t incriminate any partners.

The fact you are even still considering TownVedith means you’re likely just scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

L8 didn’t even bring up Ascetic possibilities or anything, he just wanted to hop on and push the notion of “crazuto believe there’s 2 roles”

That looks like insider knowledge who knows there isn’t, and there’s just an Ascetic.

No, I didn't bring them up because you already had. I also didn't shoot them down. We might be dealing with a JOAT, ascetic, ninja, or any combination thereof. What we don't have is evidence of any of that. What we have is a simple explanation that sees Leaf eat hemp.

And after your death, there will be.

You realize the hypocrisy in your posts, right? I mean, I get you’re like 98% scum and you have to push me like this, but I mean, come on.

Your flip gives everything that my flip would, except your scum flip benefits town more and your town flip benefits town more.

What you are pushing essentially makes you the for sure lynch tomorrow in 5p lylo, and that’s why I don’t see you as town.

My flip directly will incriminate you, and you are pushing like you have to see me flip before you can fathom the roles like that, which is incredibly convenient for ScumYou.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts

No, I don't have any modifiers. It doesn't fit my PR.
- Disloyal Vig makes perfect sense given that you don't want your Vig killing townies.
- Loyal Neighborizer similarly makes sense given that you don't want scum in the neighborhood.
- Loyal Watcher just makes my PR into a clumsy and confusing Cop.

You’re claiming ungated full no modifier watcher? Lol.

[Flavor Leaf]

Disloyal Vigilante
3 shot Loyal Neighborizer
N1/N2 Loyal N3/N4 Disloyal Vanilla Cop
Watcher?

That’s literally just a scum role.

[Flavor Leaf]

Probably Ascetic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m also Loyal/Disloyal, and L8 has no claimed modifiers. Look at setup, guys...-.-

He knew he was guiltied and he’s taking advantage of URA’s posts

No, I don't have any modifiers. It doesn't fit my PR.
- Disloyal Vig makes perfect sense given that you don't want your Vig killing townies.
- Loyal Neighborizer similarly makes sense given that you don't want scum in the neighborhood.
- Loyal Watcher just makes my PR into a clumsy and confusing Cop.

You’re claiming ungated full no modifier watcher? Lol.

Yup. Plain old boring town watcher is what I got. No modifiers, conditions or exceptions.

You forgot Ascetic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t actually think you’re scum with Vedith. I think there’s a chance Vedith is just letting us fight as scum so he gets both of us.

But ScumVedith probably calls you out on lying.

But I’m not actually doubting your watcher ability, it’s your alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I understand why ScumYou has to push me here, but like, gotta look at the simpler stuff

[Flavor Leaf]

So what you’re saying is you’re pushing a complete information lynch instead of pushing what should be from your perspective if you’re town a guilty on Vedith.

You get why I see my result as just a guilty on you, right?

Like you understand that?


Also, players are just letting us do our thing.

If you’re scum, then deadthreads probably intrigued by the “what’s gonna happen” dynamic, and if we’re both town, they’re gonna want us to come together

[Flavor Leaf]

I think what aggravates me is I didn’t get to the point where I was ready to solve the game, and now I have to focus on this soft guilty thing. It’s gonna be good once I get out of the tunnel, and I think I am, but I just feel like I’ve been so townie to this game, and was thinking this was going to be a cool strong town performance by me in front of all these new playas.

I feel I was one of the main if not the main reason Burken wasn’t lynched. I guess his hard inno is under question still.

I chose to hammer the Super Saint claim.

I don’t feel I’ve made in bad pushes either, and was well on my way to getting reads, and scum was kind of playing in a way around me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll be honest when I say that I haven't read the game much other than some late pages yesterday, and all of the pages today, but I'm simply not seeing how it's a bad idea to lynch FL here. I'm not advocating a quick-lynch, but I'd rather go into LYLO with him gone, than go into LYLO with him alive. I feel like he's putting too much emphasis on modifiers / ascetic, and it looks like an attempt to change the topic to me. Regardless of what happens, this looks like a P good spot for town.

It’s not because after my lynch, you insta lynch L8, and it’s a loss if he’s town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no fucking clue how you come to some of the conclusions that you do, L8.

You have like almost the legit opposite reaction of nearly everything that’s happened since Day 1 in this game, and I think that’s so weird in my head. Because I think you’re a pretty strong player, and I just don’t understand the conclusions you come up with. The thing is, it’s not even that I think you’re wrong in some of these situations. It’s kind of cool, because I actually feel like I’m debating rather than it just being more black and white.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll be honest when I say that I haven't read the game much other than some late pages yesterday, and all of the pages today, but I'm simply not seeing how it's a bad idea to lynch FL here. I'm not advocating a quick-lynch, but I'd rather go into LYLO with him gone, than go into LYLO with him alive. I feel like he's putting too much emphasis on modifiers / ascetic, and it looks like an attempt to change the topic to me. Regardless of what happens, this looks like a P good spot for town.

It’s not because after my lynch, you insta lynch L8, and it’s a loss if he’s town.

I never said it was insta-win, I just said that I'd rather have you dead going into LYLO. Two different things. I also dislike your previous post a lot, but too lazy to point out why right now.

You don’t go into lylo after my flip because of my hard inno.

So like, it’s not an issue either way for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll be honest when I say that I haven't read the game much other than some late pages yesterday, and all of the pages today, but I'm simply not seeing how it's a bad idea to lynch FL here. I'm not advocating a quick-lynch, but I'd rather go into LYLO with him gone, than go into LYLO with him alive. I feel like he's putting too much emphasis on modifiers / ascetic, and it looks like an attempt to change the topic to me. Regardless of what happens, this looks like a P good spot for town.

It’s not because after my lynch, you insta lynch L8, and it’s a loss if he’s town.

I never said it was insta-win, I just said that I'd rather have you dead going into LYLO. Two different things. I also dislike your previous post a lot, but too lazy to point out why right now.

You don’t go into lylo after my flip because of my hard inno.

So like, it’s not an issue either way for you.

It's not an issue, but I still think town wins it more often than not with you being dead. This has nothing to do with me being alive.

I disagree. Town win more often than not WITH me alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would say that even if I was scum and meant it. That’s just a personality thing.

I always act like I’m not gonna get lynched.

I haven’t been in over a year, and the time I got mislynched was a Day 4. Town lost.

There is just as much, if not more, reason to go L8 today than me.

Based on play, based on setup spec

[Flavor Leaf]

You just haven’t read the game.

Replacements have a tendency to scum read me when I’m town, and town read me when I’m scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, the biggest thing that shows I’m town this game, is that if I were scum, I wouldn’t be the optimal lynch mechanically.

Chara and Vedith, you both know this is true. Even if I were more likely scum, I wouldn’t be mechanically more optimal. That’s not how I play scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Keep in mind, I have a “haven’t been mislynched in over a year” record to hold onto ifyou we’re trying to make the “look how much he’s trying” line

[Flavor Leaf]

L8 also literally is assuming Vedith is town and scum messed with the roles yet said Ninja doesn’t make sense with this setup

Holy fuck. Wait, we actually caught him. Let me go find

[Flavor Leaf]

Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.

Why? Mafia Vanilla Cop would let you hunt town PRs, no?

Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman

Ninja would render me worse than useless and is what I'm worried about. Hopefully that's Leaf's flip. JOAT could include that of course

I wasn't blocked and I'd have seen a strongman.

Mafia vanilla cop makes no sense here.

Why? Mafia Vanilla Cop would let you hunt town PRs, no?

Either Mafia have a RB/role cop (JOAT maybe?) Or a ninja/strongman

Ninja would render me worse than useless and is what I'm worried about. Hopefully that's Leaf's flip. JOAT could include that of course.

I wasn't blocked and I'd have seen a strongman.

I don’t actually think you’re scum with Vedith. I think there’s a chance Vedith is just letting us fight as scum so he gets both of us.

But ScumVedith probably calls you out on lying.

But I’m not actually doubting your watcher ability, it’s your alignment.

Interesting, because my gut instinct is that my result on Vedith was tampered with and that he's actually town. Is there nothing that we agree on?

Aside from my result what has he done that's been scummy?

So you said Ninja is what you’re most worried about, but your gut instinct was that Vedith was town? That’s not you worried about Ninja, that’s you expecting there to be a Ninja. If you were worried about there being a Ninja, you wouldn’t be clearing Vedith.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Ras - i wasn’t like shading you for not having read the thread, but I realized it was useless to argue because you literally just haven’t been around to judge me off play.

The fact that i am being pushed as a mechanical lynch shows that we aren’t playing against scum who clearly doesn’t know how I play.

Chara/Vedith: This just isn’t ever the case if I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I spent a lot of time helping everyone figure out the dynamics between Brothers, Flips, myself, and DEB. I was actively giving a key to being able to read people correctly, and I didn’t push any of them once thus far.

[Flavor Leaf]

The last part is important because it shows I didn’t use them as a mislynch agenda yet helped make it more transparent.

[Flavor Leaf]

And another reason why having me around for lylo is because I am still the most likely to be lynched in that scenario, but as town, you know I’m going to do everything in my power to fight that, and you can’t say that about too many people in the situation.

Because if I have people not lynch me in LYLO, it’s because I was able to truly show that I was town through some good analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s also the option of looking for the 2nd scum to open up the setup more, which highest reward we figure out if there is TvT potential/ninja potential/roleblocker potential,

But the risk is we just deal with the soft guilty triangle tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, that would all give us an extra PR action too.

Scum would have to try and kill outside of the PR’s or give us the flip we want.

At the risk of adding another vote onto me, I’d say Flips would be the best option for that. Decent chance of being partners with either L8 or Vedith, if both of them are somehow town, I would say Flips is 100% scum in that scenario.

Flips flip, could be Ninja/rb, if not scum has to make a kill, or I guess they could no kill, but still that’s fine.

Watcher on Ras, the person i hard inno’d. (You can try and pair us up as a team if you want, but meh., that’s still the best.)

Which means either DEB or Chara take the kill if anything, and we get minimum 3 more results heard, one from me, one from Vedith, one from L8.

And we can solve from there. That scenario, there’s L8 and Raz alive, so you should know if you think I’m still scum by then, you can get me

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m calling you out for pushing the ability that you are the one that is talking like there can’t be.

If you’re scum, literally none of that matters. I’m just basically going into all possibilities when I’m pushing you, but inferring those roles, that does nothing, but help convince people of town you.

As scum, that just doesn’t help in the slightest.

I am objectively town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, that would all give us an extra PR action too.

Scum would have to try and kill outside of the PR’s or give us the flip we want.

Hardly.

Assume that I'm town and scum NKs me. Now your soft guilty looks like a scum lie and my soft-guilty on Vedith is bolstered by my town flip. If either you or Vedith is also town then it's beautifully set up for a scum win.

I’ll just target Vedith then.

[Flavor Leaf]

The thing is, Vedith gets an action too, so the minimum would be at least one town get another action, we have a confirmed townie going in, and for all you know, if you’re town,I’m the one that is killed and it sets you up for a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I flip flop a lot as town, and I’m ultra consistent as scum.

Only another town case.

I’m also feeling like you’re scum, so I’m playing in a way to beat you in this 1v1, and trying to figure out your partner.

You are just hiding behind mechanics and relying on it to do the work for you while you discredit.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you’re right. I am going anybody but me, because I know I’m town, and going anybody but me is a much higher chance of it flipping red.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m calling you out for pushing the ability that you are the one that is talking like there can’t be.

Blatant misrep. I said yesterday that scum PRs were a possibility. I said that I didn't think that a powerful scum PR was likely.

I am objectively town.

LAMIOT!

I don’t see the misrep...? You’re saying it’s unlikely, at the point you aren’t even considering it.

You are just waiting it out rather than trying to solve and pushing a purely mechanics push.

Mafia’s a social game.

This game has so many ways to soft guilty, and strong PR’s. Scum can easily have 2 strong PR’s here.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact you’re saying it’s not likely is ridiculous.

There was a scum Multitasking JOAT in a game I played recently. They could use 4 abilities in 1 Night.

This game has even stronger town PR’s.

[Flavor Leaf]

You aren’t even looking for a teammate nor making any non informations mechanic push.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, but now you’re getting hung up on it. Your actions and your words don’t line up with that.

Your words say that, but your actions don’t, so objectively, it isn’t untrue.

I don’t think you believe at all what you’re saying.

[Flavor Leaf]

You aren’t even looking for a teammate nor making any non informations mechanic push.

How do you know what I am and am not doing?

Because I’m at a sociopathic level of my ability to read people.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, but now you’re getting hung up on it.

I mentioned it pages back. I wouldn't be talking about it now except you keep bringing it up.

Misrep on the misrep.

False, this misrep calling is the misrep.

You were calling my statement untrue and a misrep, which is the actual misrep going on here.

I wasn’t wrong, you just found a loophole in the words and pushed it forward. That was the misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

@the town people of this game - The way you can tell that L8 is scum over me is the way that we are casing each other.

L8 is casing in a way where it looks like he is trying to convince

me

that I am scum. I’m playing in a way trying to convince you guys that he is scum.

He is discrediting my attempts at helping you guys see that i am town by way of just chopping me down

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s called hatcheting

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s your underlying attitude and state on the game.

Hatcheting isn’t a playstyle thing, it’s a tactic.

And I flail as town, not scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL if you're town I am never Scum here with L8.
I also never kill URA with a guilty on you. My past Scum games prove this.

This needs stop getting hung up on. It got brought up like once. You know I like to go over every outcome, i even said i don’t think that’s what it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, L8, it does seem like you’re finding a simpler way, and that’s by trying to lynch me first

[Flavor Leaf]

L8 being Ascetic just solves everything tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

So it’s Flips and L8.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: flavor leaf

I’m gonna trust person and park my vote here

Thing is, no one is doubting Person. It’s the result.

This is a scum slip.

[Flavor Leaf]

That shows Flips is actively aware of what’s going on, and chose to further the scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flippy

This was the initial path I brought up earlier that gives all the PR’s another night to work with.

They have to shut that down fast because Flips lynch opens the game up and shows I’m likely town.

Flips flips Ninja, and scum game over.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m killed, go L8 first, then Flips.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, it’s legit not a matter of trusting Ura. Ura didn’t lie about his results, the results themselves aren’t telling, and Flips is pushing it without analyzing anything else like it is because they needed more pressure to mislynch me.

[Flavor Leaf]

You guys really need to re-vote. I'm not trying to advocate a quick-lynch here, but at the same time I'm afraid that you guys might overthink this.

I just woke up, and I'm still getting the same vibe from FL. While is argument of going over every outcome might make sense here, there's still this huge amount of paranoia coming from him that I'm getting from his posts. They just don't feel like genuine or natural posts at all due to the way he's wording things specifically. There's a lot of repeats, and it comes off as an attempt to try to convince people to me.

Either way, like I said yesterday, I'm not unvoting FL today. I'm just afraid some of you overthink this and force us to have to deal with FL in LYLO.

This is a town case on me.

My strongest scum ability is said to be how consistent and genuine I can come across as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, literally, one scum flip today, essentially clears me, and then we get my result tonight, which essentially forces either another hard block on me or they kill me.

It only helps scum to kill me off here at this point because town should see why scum HAVE to kill me off today.

@Chara/Vedith/DrEasy - Please see why scum HAVE to come at me today...it’s literally just Flips/L8.

Flips was lurk pushing Burken day 1. He made a false push on me just now and fit the narrative to fit their side.

L8 probably just told him to vote, tbh.

We go one of them today, and I’m cleared.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I’m literally just cleared! Cleared and I can get hard guilties. I have to be taken out at night unless scum think they can take a cleared me on.

And yes, I am repeating stuff trying to convince people, because THAT’S LITERALLY THE POINT OF MAFIA.

I’m trying to get people to see that I am town, and therefore, not the correct lynch today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chara, Vedith, DrEasyBake...

I’m pretty sure the three of you are town at this point, and honestly, to lynch scum, I need all 3 of you anyways.

Vedith feels as if he has something he knows.

Vedith, by all means, do your setup spec. I’m town. You seemed to admit to have targeting URA. I don’t see you doing that as scum here. If any of you guys are scum, then I guess I’m essentially just dead today, but as town, please see this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, RAS, you realize if I were scum, my most likely partner is you, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that the Burke slot is pushing me should show that I’m town tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

It wasn’t like “lurking” as in not showing up. You just hid in shadows politically. You almost got ran up because of it, but L8 changed the wagon.

And notice how Flips didn’t even acknowledge my main push against him and instead focused on a small minute detail, just like L8 was doing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also actively hammered that Super Saint claim.

See, they’re not even looking for scum. They’re looking for mislynches they can push as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m honestly just not reading much of what you said so I missed it. Like I said most of what you say is gonna be ignored. I responded to what stuck out to me

Exactly

Responding without reading yet STILL making the push.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, literally, one scum flip today, essentially clears me, and then we get my result tonight, which essentially forces either another hard block on me or they kill me.

It only helps scum to kill me off here at this point because town should see why scum HAVE to kill me off today.

@Chara/Vedith/DrEasy - Please see why scum HAVE to come at me today...it’s literally just Flips/L8.

Flips was lurk pushing Burken day 1

. He made a false push on me just now and fit the narrative to fit their side.

L8 probably just told him to vote, tbh.

We go one of them today, and I’m cleared.

So out of all the posts I’ve made, the thing that stood out was something extremely hidden in the middle, and then i was misrepped with it too.

I clearly said lurk pushing, which meant he was here pushing, but he got stuck on the word lurk.

This is scum pushing me because his partner told him to.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: flavor leaf

I’m gonna trust person and park my vote here

False. You said you’re gonna trust Person, not go off what he said. There’s a difference.

Person has a soft guilty. It’s not a matter of trusting what Person said. The result is tainted, and that’s the point of the role, to cause confusion like this because it’s not hard guilty.

Like my role, and Wilky’s Role before. There’s a lot of soft guilties.

Also, L8’s literally the only town player to not have some kind of modifier? He’s just scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also feel like it’s just about time you rolled scum in a game you’re in w/ me. If I’m wrong oh well it’s a lesson

That’s gambler’s fallacy, and could be said the exact same way around.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, literally, one scum flip today, essentially clears me, and then we get my result tonight, which essentially forces either another hard block on me or they kill me.

It only helps scum to kill me off here at this point because town should see why scum HAVE to kill me off today.

@Chara/Vedith/DrEasy - Please see why scum HAVE to come at me today...it’s literally just Flips/L8.

Flips was lurk pushing Burken day 1

. He made a false push on me just now and fit the narrative to fit their side.

L8 probably just told him to vote, tbh.

We go one of them today, and I’m cleared.

So out of all the posts I’ve made, the thing that stood out was something extremely hidden in the middle, and then i was misrepped with it too.

I clearly said lurk pushing, which meant he was here pushing, but he got stuck on the word lurk.

This is scum pushing me because his partner told him to.

#WRRONNG

If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong on the fact that your partner didn’t tell you to go after me, and it triggered you because it implied you didn’t come up with the play.

So maybe you did come up with the play.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s a soft guilty.

Means that it’s supposed to look like a guilty, but is blocked by a roleblocker/Ascetic/rolestopper.

I have that same guilty on L8 that you’re choosing to not look into.

L8 has the same thing on Vedith.

It’s much much more than just that.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s not black and white, but there’s a lot of gray in it.

[Flavor Leaf]

How the hell did y’all not get me after Creature flipped traitor?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I predict a scum victory.

Good luck, town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Said in the mafia thread Day 1 I planned on going down this game.

Good luck finding my partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Been since Team Mafia 2018 since I was last lynched as scum.

Good job, L8. See you in the dead thread. You fun

[Flavor Leaf]

Good luck in the night everybody!

Look through Leaf's associatives if I catch a bad case of NK. He babbles like a tree full of monkeys so look at who he isn't talking to. Creature and Insomnia too. We have 3 scum now so that should be a fair number of tells.

You don’t think I’d have scum theatre’d it up, especially knowing early on I was likely to go down this game?

[Flavor Leaf]

Bold

[Flavor Leaf]

Nobody wants to talk to post hammer Leaf, I see. Probably for the best.

I don’t know if you could handle these mental hands.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, you’re in a decent spot, but it’s still pretty rough.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, you’re in a decent spot, but it’s still pretty rough.

Oops. Meant to say that in the scum thread.

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature...I can’t read you. -.-

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah FL you are the MVP for that fake hammer jeez lmao

Haha, I can’t believe it worked so instantly.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah FL you are the MVP for that fake hammer jeez lmao

Haha, I can’t believe it worked so instantly.

Ooo, and this is the first time I’ve seen my pretty new banner.