Mini 2072: Timeshift Mafia IV [GAME OVER]

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: mephisto

L-1

VOTE: mephisto

Fuck! This was a dirty hammer.

Yes, the town deserves to lose for their shitty play.

VOTE: Eyes

[Eyes without a face]

I'm inclined to TR Eyes for the game-solvey readlists.

But Firebringer did nearly provably fakeclaim (the caveat being "non-timeshifted" actually meaning affected by the Timeshift mechanic so Firebringer is potentially correct - see 1073).

Regardless, I'm going to shift my vote away from Eyes right now.

VOTE: mastina

-TL

OK, Yah's claim is likely true. Maybe Inso should be in the town leans then.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Mastina

Not sure if you switched your vote off me, but if so then..

VOTE: Mastina

And yes I'm very well aware if the amish tell, but that lol!hammer really sucked coming just 4 minutes after Mephisto were put @L-1

[Eyes without a face]

These are my reads rn
Time Devil: town
Fuscosco:

town but could flip scum

Firebringer: scum
TTTT: slight scum
Rainbow reads: unsure as of now

This is flipping scum 95% of the time, Good to know beforehand.

[Eyes without a face]

Town: RR, TTTT,
Likely Town: SS, Roster, Titus,
Town leans: Inso, TD,
Scum lean: Fuscosco,
Conf.Scum: Mastina,

Yeah, TTTT is obv!town
Fusco is ibv!Scum
Mastina is mod-cofirmed Scum
Depending on Rightodude's flip the game maybe already solved at this point.

[mastina]

I'm inclined to TR Eyes for the game-solvey readlists.

Let me show you game-solving from Eyes.

This is game solving from Eyes.
This is an even better example of game solving from Eyes.
Here's another example of game solving from Eyes.

Contrast.
Here's Eyes "gamesolving" as scum. And that was in multiball, which is more generous than singleball in allowing scum to scumhunt.
Here's Eyes's best gamesolving as scum.

The emptiness of Eyes's content here is because Eyes knows he's caught scum.

No reasons, just empty reads. Guess why there's no reasons? Because reasons give accountability and information that Eyes has no intention of giving.

[mastina]

I'm inclined to TR Eyes for the game-solvey readlists.

Let me show you game-solving from Eyes.

This is game solving from Eyes.
This is an even better example of game solving from Eyes.
Here's another example of game solving from Eyes.

Contrast.
Here's Eyes "gamesolving" as scum. And that was in multiball, which is more generous than singleball in allowing scum to scumhunt.
Here's Eyes's best gamesolving as scum.

The emptiness of Eyes's content here is because Eyes knows he's caught scum.

No reasons, just empty reads. Guess why there's no reasons? Because reasons give accountability and information that Eyes has no intention of giving.

Like, the difference is transparent.
Eyes as town gives reasons constantly. Check out all three of those towngames; in each, Eyes was giving reasons at almost every step of the way. There was some RVS silliness, but it was mostly good, solid content with backing. Stances, reasons, justifications.

Eyes as scum doesn't give much in the way of reasons at all. In both of Eyes's scumgames, Eyes was giving basically no reasons at every step. He voted, he was silly, but he didn't really push.

Compare:

VOTE: Emperor
Now that I know what the VC looks like I can start by voting the least posting slot.
Feel free to vote me cuz I know my slot is not doing much better.

Scumgame typical content. No real reason.

Are we really pushing people for making obvious jokes on page 1?

Why slow down the noose of progress? VOTE: Eyes without a face

^^Scum post/vote. Finding a reason to join a building wagon. Couldn't find anything but a rephrase of what 2 others already brought up.

VOTE: Eliot Ness

Waiting for the team to vote me for OMGUS.

Towngame typical content. Reasons that there are solid accountability for. Eyes has a transparent scum meta of half-assing reasons, contrasted heavily with a town meta of giving reasons at almost every turn.

Now tell me which of those patterns reflects Eyes in this game.

[mastina]

Geez. This isn't funny. I tried to do a catch up and a bunch of players appear to have been in the game and replaced out but the OP doesn't have the replacements marked. I guess I'll need to ISO the mod backwards in order to learn who was whom before I do the game read properly.

This is making excuses for not providing content.

Then do hammer me and prove my read wrong on you (which wouldn't be surprising sine I only played you as scum. I was scum with you once and scum against town you once, so to my recollection I have never really had to effort to read you)
My final reads:
Town: RR
Likely Town: SS, TTTT, Roster
Not Sure: TD, Inso, Titus
Scum lean: Fuscosco
Conf.Scum: Mastina

Appeal to fear with empty, unexplained reads.
If he doesn't have a result on Rainbow Reads,

why

is Rainbow Reads town?

Why

are Something_Smart, TTTT, and rosterfoster all town?

What

makes him unsure of TD, Insomnia, and Titus?

Update

Town: RR
Likely Town: SS, TTTT, Roster, Titus
Not Sure: Inso,
Scum lean: Fuscosco, TD,
Conf.Scum: Mastina

Titus moves up and TD moves down... still catching up until the thread is locked

Why

did Titus move up?

Why

did TD move down?

Rightodude [L-3] Rosterfoster, TTTT, Ceejayvinoya, Rainbow Reads Rosterfoster, TTTT, Ceejayvinoya, Rainbow Reads

This was an all-town wagon, regardless of Rightodude's flip.

Why

is it an all-town wagon?

Yeah, TTTT is obv!town
Fusco is ibv!Scum

What

makes TTTT be obvtown?

What

makes Fusco be obvscum?

Are we really pushing people for making obvious jokes on page 1?

Why slow down the noose of progress? VOTE: Eyes without a face

VOTE: Eliot Ness

In this towngame, Eyes immediately explained his scumread.

@Mod: I am wondering why the day is getting extended by 24 hrs with each replacement when we already have enough time left in it anyway. Theoretically this could lead to a never ending day under certain circumstances.

I didn't give an extension for the first replacement as I felt it was too early in the game at that point. These 2 replacements both resulted in extensions due to it being much later in the phase and, since I took so long to actually issue the prods to the 2 players that replaced out, I felt it necessary to extend the deadline so that the 2 new players would have the same amount of time to interact in the thread as they would've done had I issued prods at the correct time.

I like this. mutant can be town for now.

In this towngame, Eyes immediately explained his townread.

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

This is a

different

towngame where Eyes explains a scumread.

So, eyes, what 20 posts between 163 and 181 inspired someone slow to get reads to sort most of the playerlist?

Waiting
@Eyes

In short, Eragon happened. he entered the game and started doing his page by page analysis which helped me not only form a read on him but also on other slots. I had already voiced a slight town read on the slot due to the replace out which many -including Eragon himself- objected to, but Eragon's posts strengthened my town read there.

Invis was already a town lean too, but that was about it and I wan't going to declare a read list of exactly one slot.

Eragon helped me see CoA is probably town, and I had to ISO rooroo to realize her claim to be new is a meme and that was confirmed by people mentioning it's an alt account, so disregarding the meme effect I realized 79 was too string to come from scum and 156 was being stubborn which is a town trait since scum would prefer to go with the flow. Overall feeling of rooroo was adjusted so that was 4 slots sorted out of 8. Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

In that same game, here he explained

all

of his reads pretty much, and how he got them.

Again.

Contrast those with this game.
And compare this game with stuff like this:

VOTE: Allo
Let's see where this goes

This is the extent of Eyes explaining reads as scum.

VOTE: Emperor
Now that I know what the VC looks like I can start by voting the least posting slot.
Feel free to vote me cuz I know my slot is not doing much better.

This is the extent of Eyes explaining reads as scum.

[mastina]

I'd like to also point out:

Did firebringer say that they had an inno on RR though?
I’m so confused by that. Are you sure it’s a guilty on Mastina?

The slot's bullshitting. This is what Firebringer said of his claim:

i am a back up cop.

...Which he modified to include:

also i want to report that i am aware of when time shifts happen that is byproduct of my role, so all of mastinas shenanigans that is mixed with role play is complete bs. nothing has happened time-wise.

...And that is contradicted by his confusion here:

not that much given its 3 shot.
unless its delayed by 2-3 days.
Which frankly shouldn't we have a full role pm to know when the results would have been given?
The mod hasn't even told me when I am supposed to get results for my back up shots now.

Why isn't yahmoose action not timeshifted btw? Shouldn't most abilities in this game be time-shifted and why isn't her vig a timeshift?

...Which is ultimately not as relevant as him changing his claim here:

btw my back up role doesn't apply to cop. it applies to any timeshift roles that are town and have shots remaining.
So there are more timeshift roles in this game.

I don't know if i believe that non timeshift vig role exists when theres probably at least 2-3 more timeshift roles in this game.

He changed from "backup cop" to "backup of timeshifted roles".

And yet in spite of being a claimed backup of timeshifted roles...he changed his claim AGAIN today, when...

I checked rainbow reads last night.
Rainbow is town.

One small question. If he's a backup cop, he wasn't able to use his ability until N2. How does he have a result already?

I don't honestly know why either tbh.

I got "your target is town". so in theory it could have been from lights time shift but I never heard of a role being used like that.

just that I got lights cop shots.

ohh wait it says my cop shot disregards timeshifts. I should read more.

And you had 3 or 2?

id rather not say.

(^This one's not a contradiction, but IS bullshit.)

Then we get Eyes coming in today.

Hi. A tldr would be very much appreciated. I'll try to do a catch up ASAP, nut it should help if I know of any claims or major/special incidents that happened.

Also how long till deadline?

Thank you

UNVOTE:

Why did I include that timestamp?
Because Eyes implied here that he was getting ready to catch up on the game.

This gave me the idea for my reaction test:

Hi. A tldr would be very much appreciated. I'll try to do a catch up ASAP, nut it should help if I know of any claims or major/special incidents that happened.

A backup cop claimed a guilty on you so we're lynching you unless you've got an answer for why they got the result they did.

This was ten minutes later.

Eyes should have still been around at that time.

However.

It took Eyes

seven hours

to come back with this:

Hi. A tldr would be very much appreciated. I'll try to do a catch up ASAP, nut it should help if I know of any claims or major/special incidents that happened.

A backup cop claimed a guilty on you so we're lynching you unless you've got an answer for why they got the result they did.

Funny, cuz I'm the backup cop and I've got a guilty on you.
VOTE: mastina

Why do I think this change is particularly damning?

Because Firebringer at multiple times in his iso referenced checking me/tunneling me/wanting to turbo-lynch me and I fully believe that in the scum PT Firebringer would've left a comment along the lines of "I want to fake a guilty on mastina".
(Want me to track down the posts where he indicates this? Would take a little longer than this, but is doable.)

Eyes is scum, who replaced into a scum fakeclaim that he had no clue how to handle. Firebringer was contradictory at multiple times, so what his story would be would be hard for a replacement to pick up on.

Firebringer's claim changed, but Eyes changed it even further:

Funny, cuz I'm the backup cop and I've got a guilty on you.
VOTE: mastina

Back to backup cop (Firebringer's original claim before he backpedaled to "timeshifted role backup"), but changing the result from an innocent to a guilty.

are your results time shifted?

Yes. It was a 1-shot actually.

Changing the claim from "two or three-shot" (what Firebringer said) to one-shot.

To avoid confusion: Time-shifted as in the very next morning, not delayed by a phase as normal actions would resolve in this game.

This contradicts Firebringer's 594 (Firebringer says he's aware of timeshifts, and Eyes claims that timeshifts are roles that DON'T have a delay), but more critically, SERIOUSLY contradicts 983.

Firebringer's claim was filled to the brim with holes, and Eye's claim

even further

contradicts

that

.

Furthermore.

Firebringer as town never fucking wastes a cop shot on me.
You know why? This is why:

if anyone asks me to cop check mastina or something like that i am going to tell them: no, and in fact if we don't lynch mastina, I won't even use my cop check just as a defiance to everyone involved who protects mastina here.
She is either scum. Good possibility.
Or she is hurting town with her constant stupid shenanigans.
So why don't we all join forces, lynch her, and I will check Time Devil now and we can go on about the game?

mastina is scum and I am burning her in a fire. if you don't want on that u do u.

This shows Firebringer's attitude towards me.
He would not investigate me.
He might fake an investigation on me to get me lynched.
But he wouldn't ACTUALLY investigate me.

He'd consider it a wasted fucking action.
Because he wouldn't want to clear me, because he wouldn't want to not lynch me if I turned up town, and because he can lynch me without a result telling him I'm scum.

Between those two. Not wanting me cleared when I turn up town (because if I'm cleared I don't get lynched and if I don't get lynched I'm in the game longer because scum almost never nightkill me even when I'm conftown), and being able to lynch me without a scum result.
He wouldn't waste an investigation on me.

And this is clear as fucking day to ANYONE who has so much as one IOTA of an idea what the history between us is.

[Eyes without a face]

Can we all note that Mastina's arguing that FB would not investigate her, and not that she the result he got was somehow manipulated with??

Please do note the above for when/if I flip before she does

.

I am seriously fine being the lynch today under the condition you treat Mastina as a

mod-confirmed guilty

to me, and treat RR as a

mod-confirmed clear

.

Any other details I am either reluctant to give before I flip, or I asked and didn't get a proper answer from the mod. (Seems like there's a lot the mod won't/can't answer).

[Eyes without a face]

And I will reiterate that Fusco is almost fraf lock scum to me. Only short of mod-confirmation level of read.

[mastina]

Can we all note that Mastina's arguing that FB would not investigate her, and not that she the result he got was somehow manipulated with??

Yes well the thing about that is I fucking know Firebringer so I fucking know he wouldn't investigate me.

There's no point in arguing the result's wrong when the result is something that

never would have happened anyway

.

Also.

Ultimate weapon time.

Occam's Razor.

Which is the simpler explanation?

Firebringer, as town, backpedaled on his claim multiple times and made multiple contradictory claims, claims that continued to be contradicted by Eyes, who happened to "clarify" these claims with the 'truth' when said clarification in of itself further contradicts what Firebringer had said...

...Or, Firebringer was scum bullshitting, and Eyes continued the bullshit?

Good luck arguing your way past that, Eyes.

[Rainbow Reads]

VOTE: mephisto

L-1

VOTE: mephisto

Fuck! This was a dirty hammer.

Yes, the town deserves to lose for their shitty play.

VOTE: Eyes

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Because my flip

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, and by confirming my role Mastina is confirmed scum and RR (You) are confirmed a townie. I am out of shots anyway.

FB's confusion about the delayed action(s) being delayed 2-3 days is also justified because we received only one shot to use ourselves, but he received ONE previous result. The shot I know about is the shot FB himself used on Mastina. The result on you most probably came from LG. No idea what happened to the third shot. Was it used by LG too? Was it Timeshifted or not? Will we still receive a result or was it delivered to the dead cop already?? These are all things the mod won't elaborate on, as well as whether there is a list or roles that can/cannot be in this setup... etc.

So, bottom line -and to save you and I both the confusion- I (ewaf) was informed that Mastina was scum and you were town and that's all I really know.

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[Eyes without a face]

Up to you. It depends on whether you still doubt me or not. I obviously prefer to live so scum would be forced to waste an NK on me (not to mention by lynching Mastina and if -whatever his name was- who was lynched D2 flips scum then we would have come quite a long way of solving the game.

[Rainbow Reads]

VOTE: mastina

[TTTT]

what's the VC?

[TTTT]

Can we all note that Mastina's arguing that FB would not investigate her, and not that she the result he got was somehow manipulated with??

Please do note the above for when/if I flip before she does

.

I am seriously fine being the lynch today under the condition you treat Mastina as a

mod-confirmed guilty

to me, and treat RR as a

mod-confirmed clear

.

Any other details I am either reluctant to give before I flip, or I asked and didn't get a proper answer from the mod. (Seems like there's a lot the mod won't/can't answer).

And I will reiterate that Fusco is almost fraf lock scum to me. Only short of mod-confirmation level of read.

this is worth it
VOTE: Mastina
L-2 I think

[D3f3nd3r]

VC 3.4 (5/20/19)

Titus [L-6]

TTTT [L-5]

Fuscosco

Mastina [L-2]

Time Devil, Eyes Without a Face, Rainbow Reads, TTTT

Rainbow Reads [L-6]

Time Devil [L-6]

Rosterfoster [L-6]

Eyes Without a Face [L-3]

Mastina, Titus, Rosterfoster

Insomnia [L-6]

Fuscosco [L-6]

Something_Smart [L-6]

No Lynch [L-6]

Not Voting [2]

Insomnia, Something_Smart

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 9pm on Wednesday, May 29, in (expired on 2019-05-29 21:00:00).

Prodding Insomnia.

V/LAs:
None.

[insomnia]

VOTE: mastina

L-1

[Titus]

Le fuck it.

VOTE: mastina

Fire better be right.

[mastina]

When I flip town you fucking lynch Eyes.
Then Rainbow Reads after that though honestly anyone on this shitty-ass horrible fucking wagon's a good candidate; roster and Something_Smart are conftown as far as you're concerned for having half a fucking brain.

[mastina]

Also Fuscocow too for that matter.

Lynch any of them and you fucking deserve to lose.

Well you fucking deserve to lose anyway for not fucking lynching the fucking fakeclaimer who was fucking obviously fakeclaiming because he was caught in a fucking lie, but more than normal if you fucking lynch off the wagon.

[TTTT]

if you're town we lynch TL
we know that
there's no need to be dramatic