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I'm town.

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I'm town.

This is concerning

Only because you just played Compromise yesterday.


I was scum with Skitter when she was a newbie in a normal, and I believe I IC'd for her as well; I can read her.

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Consider Saudade a double voter for today.

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So since the first thing you said in every compromise game was a lie you decided to trueclaim your first post here today?

yep. I don't have bad habits from Compromise, I just created TLK's bad habits.

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Consider Saudade a double voter for today.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I can't self-vote. It's too townie. I'll get night killed.

I didn't say I'd sheep you, I just said consider you a double voter.

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I like FL less for reigning saudade.

I think Krazy/fire/tlk is a decent town block for pre-page 10.

townie.

It's also a callback to a game where Saudade sheeped me relentlessly for up to 4 day phases.

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I like FL less for reigning saudade.

I think Krazy/fire/tlk is a decent town block for pre-page 10.

townie.

It's also a callback to a game where Saudade sheeped me relentlessly for up to 4 day phases.

That's why I didn't like it.

VOTE: Tet

You assuming I was being serious feels like scum trying to break that up before it begins.

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krazy's probably scum.

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firebringer is town.

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vorkuta is conftown.

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tet's already being super clicky/political.

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Interesting VOTE: FL

This is an instant chance at trying to discredit.

Like, tet's actually scum here, guys.

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How sure are you on town boon here Sau?

I'm a much easier late game read than early game read, but I feel like you're gonna need to kill me off pretty early this game.

Krazy-Tet scum.

Firebringer-TLK town from that block.

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I like FL less for reigning saudade.

I think Krazy/fire/tlk is a decent town block for pre-page 10.

townie.

It's also a callback to a game where Saudade sheeped me relentlessly for up to 4 day phases.

That's why I didn't like it.

VOTE: Tet

You assuming I was being serious feels like scum trying to break that up before it begins.

If you tell me you weren't attempting to buddy saudade with a call back to the last time you buddied saudade (as town) to get him more comfortable with idea of town you then I'll conf scum you right now.

I was trying to buddy Saudade regardless of either of our alignments.

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The fact that I'm town reading FL makes me not want to town read FL...

Perfect reason to just give it a couple of days.

You even said recently that if we were in a game together, I'd be able to town read you correctly and make it so you wouldn't die pre-Day 3.

If I'm scum, you wouldn't make it there. :shrug:

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@FL How is Vorkuta conf!scum?

He is posting way different than I've seen him and it's only been a few posts.

Or is it because he's playing with you?

I said conftown not confscum, and that was my way of testing Vorkuta.

I'm lean town on him. He likes to be bold when he's scum.

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He's usually striking out waaay more of his sarcasm in his posts.

i think that's just a style thing happening for him right now because some people got annoyed by it. I like it.

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He also played scum recently, and he overdid the striking, so I don't think that's a tell either way.

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...damn you FL...

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VOTE: Lucian

I have a hard scum read on this slot. They backed off of me once they realized I'm not going to be able to get pushed by them.

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tet's already being super clicky/political.

What do you mean by political?

Creating a gamestate within their reads. That town block comment was a classic scum move.

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It also allowed a group to dictate how the game is played.

Also, look at how much I was brought up before I even made an appearance. Scum was already trying to think of ways to deal with me.

I'm not going to push ScumKrazy hard here, but I think it's Tet and Krazy right now, and more want it for the record and prestige of potentially getting it right this early. I could be wrong about Krazy. Hell, I could be wrong about Tet, but I do scum read Tet right now pretty hard, so I feel it's best if I just look into that right now.

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Perfect reason to just give it a couple of days.

You even said recently that if we were in a game together, I'd be able to town read you correctly and make it so you wouldn't die pre-Day 3.

If I'm scum, you wouldn't make it there. :shrug:

This sounds an awful lot like overkill boon

How so?

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Krazy's trying to hatchet me while I push Tet while Tet tries to go passive on me.

Haha, I really hope I'm right to see what their PT looks like postgame.

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Hmm yess Baezu can be town.

i was kinda thinking this too, so have a townpoint

pedit hey fl do u push 'political' as being a scumtell when your'e town?

Either alignment.

I even make political reads when I'm town sometimes, and I believe both alignments do it. it's how it's done that makes it scummy or not.

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Perfect reason to just give it a couple of days.

You even said recently that if we were in a game together, I'd be able to town read you correctly and make it so you wouldn't die pre-Day 3.

If I'm scum, you wouldn't make it there. :shrug:

This sounds an awful lot like overkill boon

How so?

B

As town you tend to want people to come at you (during the night) whereas as scum you tend to say things that make people want to avoid targeting you

Like in retrospect in overkill if you had been a real pgo you wouldn't claim to avoid town targeting you, you'd just try to bait night kills, or at least that's how I think you would have played an actual pgo differently

I claimed Supersaint as Jester yesterday.

also, how is me sounding like Overkill this game, though? This was just explaining Overkill and not in relation to this game.

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you're sheeping all my town reads, skitter.

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Hey, skitter. You haven't commented on Tet or Krazy yet.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998

Haven't played with skitter since this game.


@LUV - Interesting.
I have 2 scum games with LUV. 1 victory, 1 loss (I barely count that one, though, 2IAM gave a free conf town after I asked him to take something down because mod error. That was the game you resigned)

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I claimed Supersaint as Jester yesterday.

also, how is me sounding like Overkill this game, though? This was just explaining Overkill and not in relation to this game.

As a general dynamic, as town you want committed decisions about you and other players. You saying "leave it for another day" is more the sort of "leave it alone dynamic" you had in overkill.

Also, if I AM supposed to be using the principles from compromise on you, shouldn't I be taking your first post town claim as a scumclaim?

Don't you think I'd openly scum claim as town and scum, though?

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i kinda like tet

fl's pinging me the wrong way too

Skitt's probably scum here.

I've been baiting Skitter for a few pages now.

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If the scum pt isnt how do we deal with saudade hes so sexy i will be disappointed

Believe that im town, turn it into an Axiom and then game solve with this assumption at its base

shiiiiit...

I can't help but find posts like this funny.

Now I want to keep you around. You can be town too, Saudade.

But I can't help but get pinged by your mason claim. Why do you have to tear at my heart?

he's town, don't get pinged by it.

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FB, TLK, Saudade, Vorkuta, Krazy are my current town reads.

Skitter, Tet are my scum reads.

LUV is null-lean scum for me right now.

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I like FL less for reigning saudade.

I think Krazy/fire/tlk is a decent town block for pre-page 10.

townie.

It's also a callback to a game where Saudade sheeped me relentlessly for up to 4 day phases.

That's why I didn't like it.

VOTE: Tet

You assuming I was being serious feels like scum trying to break that up before it begins.

bad vote

the hatchet

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krazy actually has no clue how to read me right now, he's town.

VOTE: Skitter

Move Tet up a slot to just lean scum. Skitter's hatcheting or WK'ing and purposefully looking to start a 1v1 with me to hide behind.

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Tet is a decent scumread, what did skitter do? Apart from townreading the decent scumread tet

Look at Skitter's trajectory in correlation to mine.

She's been trying to find a reason to go after me that comes off townie on her part since she got here.

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Tet is a decent scumread, what did skitter do? Apart from townreading the decent scumread tet

Look at Skitter's trajectory in correlation to mine.

She's been trying to find a reason to go after me that comes off townie on her part since she got here.

No thats not scum mentality

I disagree. That's the epitome of how I play scum, and in the scum game Skitter and I had 2 years ago, I hard coached her, and then she went on a tear (unbeknownst to me) and won best Mafia.

Obviously, I was interested in that, so I looked into her games.

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tet's already being super clicky/political.

What do you mean by political?

Creating a gamestate within their reads. That town block comment was a classic scum move.

i mean .... town does that all the time too?

Why are we stuck on this? I'm already past this.

I don't scum read people off of singular actions. It's all about the chain of actions. I saw that in that scenario as super scummy. Maybe later in the game something will happen, and I'll be like...hmm, okay, that's coming from townTet. I don't have enough to go on there to really further that line of thinking yet.

tet didn't allow themself to get Third Degree Boon'd.

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Perfect reason to just give it a couple of days.

You even said recently that if we were in a game together, I'd be able to town read you correctly and make it so you wouldn't die pre-Day 3.

If I'm scum, you wouldn't make it there. :shrug:

This sounds an awful lot like overkill boon

what alignment was he there?

SK. The game I got my Best performance 3rd party.

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FL I'm pretty sure you've already dropped your scumread of me if your block is exactly the same as the block you jumped on me for. You just won't say it in thread yet.

I already said I've dropped it bit. You went from Scum to lean-scum. I don't have other stuff to go off of.


@Skitter - Hatchet is chainsawing, but instead of attacking the player, you chop and discredit them. It's how I caught Garmr and A50 a couple months ago, and coined it after that. It's been getting used a little bit more and more ever since.

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Also, if Tet is RCEnigma, he's conf town.

If they're anyone else, it's lean scum-null scum.

Skitter seems caught in the headlights.

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FL I'm pretty sure you've already dropped your scumread of me if your block is exactly the same as the block you jumped on me for. You just won't say it in thread yet.

I already said I've dropped it bit. You went from Scum to lean-scum. I don't have other stuff to go off of.


@Skitter - Hatchet is chainsawing, but instead of attacking the player, you chop and discredit them. It's how I caught Garmr and A50 a couple months ago, and coined it after that. It's been getting used a little bit more and more ever since.

a) where is krazy hatcheting you

b) how does krazy fit into your me/tet thing

I've already stated Krazy was town. I had to see if Krazy was trying to read me or not.

He is. You must have forgotten how I play, Skitter. Early game, I basically use surface level transparent thought process to set up my late game. I very much know that my reads can be completely off, which is obvious when I get into later game by the amount of flip flopping I do. Some people think my flip flop is backtracking, but I believe it's still progressing forward in those cases.

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Oops...LOL

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I don't think it's indicative at all, either way.

I just think you're scum.

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Has anyone here played with ScumSkitter? I have a few questions.

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eh, I take that one back. I don't remember why I thought that.

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VOTE: flavor leaf

it's RCE, dude. If it was ANYONE else, I was agreeing with you.

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Gun go head id lynch leaf over skitter so far

that's how you know I'm town.

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No thats not how it works

Why not? If I were scum, you'd be town reading me. You've never seen scum me! You dont know!

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@Tet - Thoughts on TLK? I'm lean town reading him, but he posted in a way to set me up as a mislynch if I ever went at him.

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No thats not how it works

Why not? If I were scum, you'd be town reading me. You've never seen scum me! You dont know!

Just because you townread me when i was scum doesnt mean id do the same

youve scum read me when I was town a lot.

I also pushed you hard Day 1 that time.

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Besides i did townread you correctly in ALL our previous games together

I was ic.

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regardless, moving back to Skitter, haha. No need for me to get noisy on that subject.

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I'm going to take a break because I want Firebringer to be in the discussion.

@Skitter - let's pause.

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I am mason

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Asking everyone here, with your past history of games, what is the accuracy of your day 1 Town/Scum vibes.

I’ve been great lately

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My day 2’s have been my weak part of my game lately

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I can back up anything I do as scum, lol.

How is that scum indicative? I talk myself out of hard guilties.

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It’s Day 1.

I’m pretty sure I already said that that’s what I do in Day 1.

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The fact that I'm town reading FL makes me not want to town read FL...

The fact that I'm town reading FL makes me not want to town read FL...

Perfect reason to just give it a couple of days.

You even said recently that if we were in a game together, I'd be able to town read you correctly and make it so you wouldn't die pre-Day 3.

If I'm scum, you wouldn't make it there. :shrug:

I guess... I'll wait then.

Scum!you would want to orchestrate my ML since you know I'm good bait.

He clearly did.

Even if he’s town, he would probably even admit that this was a thing happening and something that I should be looking into and makes sense that i would be paranoid of it there

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Let’s call it Teddy Bearing.

Like Ted Bundy’ing, but that’s more SK like.

Teddy Bearing.

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@Fire - Vorkuta hard straight faced pushed a scum on me when I was town Vig he was scum and said I shot my own scum partner, Hit, after I Vig shot Hit bold.

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Also, if Tet is RCEnigma, he's conf town.

If they're anyone else, it's lean scum-null scum.

Skitter seems caught in the headlights.

What you mean? I called him conf town? That’s a bad read?

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@skitter's read on me is bs or scummy

She doesn't just shade me like that prematurely without any clear attempt at talking to me, and lately she's been scumreading town!me as scum in the early game.

And what's particularly suspicious about that is that as far as she knows from my BuJaber meta that I can't be read based on just this, she has a solid belief that I have a tryharding range as town I just can't reach as scum. She hasn't see nerfedbuj in action so she can't know if I've changed or not.

So basically yeah.

Also the people who are talking as if they know FL but deciding to actually try to read him are making me laugh.
Just ignore FL, if he doesn't get NK'd at some point lynch him. He plays a mafia game solo by himself by playing all the characters. That is not an ISO that anyone can actually sort. I don't like when people pretend they can.

I’m pretty sure I’m the opposite of this, especially late game.

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I’m the epitome of “work with me” town and scum.

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Pay attention to 0 of FL's self meta. If for nothing else than the fact that he's aware these are things he's read for, which makes them bad things to read him for. It's convulted but he isn't a hard read.

That’s what i’m saying, but people think I’m difficult to read for some reason just because I’m charismatic and won people over as scum with my charm

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Plus you have a pattern of saying you don't get lynched as scum. And that sort of statement just implies you're more townier on the surface as scum. Or worse you play badly as town.

Pedit - this post is @FL

I play like mislynch bait as town. My town game’s been on fire lately.

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Look at that HitAlt quote. They keep me alive because they think they can mislynch townFL but I just end up obv towning late game as town.

ScumMe isn’t obv town late game, only early.

I’m pretty transparent, tbh

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The entire Skitter wagon is townie.


I don’t understand the Lucian scum read. Skitter would have more scum on her if Lucian was scum.

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NerfedBuj towned it up. FB is his normal townie self. And if I were scum, then that makes Lucian town and my scum buddies would be on Lucian, meaning you should get off Lucien.

If Lucien is scum, they have no assistance. Lucien is town.

Skitter is scum with someone else on the Lucien wagon.

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Vorkuta/BEF is the next 1v1, there could be 1 scum in there, but there doesn’t have to be.

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Yeah, I’m still figuring out Vorkuta. I don’t think I necessarily lean anyway, so that defaults a little town for me. I think it’s too early for me to get an accurate read on him. If he’s scum, he’s wary of me, so that would show, if he’s town...he’s also wary of me. Might not be transparent, that’s just the way it is, and something that i personally know and feel about the way Vorkuta would think in that certain aspect of the game.

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How did skitter get so many votes

Flavor cased her good

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Vorkuta, when you play scum is there a certain way you behave around specific people or do you try to act the same around everyone?

Idk, I only rolled mafia once and my thought process that game was fairly transparent in the scum!PT.
First off- I don't know like half the roster well enough to """play around""" them or what not.

Make your question better?

But you know the other half.

I don’t think you’re trying to play around anyone, though

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Yeah

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Do you agree that boomboom's break of character could be scum indicative?

Where?

Honestly I can’t recall a single boom boom post. All I know is people say Boom and I think it’s Boon, and it throws me off

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Is that scummy? By summary seems kinda townie

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In my experience, it’s easier to be consistent as scum than town.

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How did skitter get so many votes

Flavor cased her good

not really

Scum upset from being scum read for the wrong reasons?

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no, i think it's hilarious that u think that you've given any sort of compelling reason to vote me

I don’t have any compelling reason not to.


I’m kinda willing to just let Skitter live because I don’t wanna mislynch her Day 1 if she’s town. I’d feel bad

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i mean, 'no compelling reason to not vote me' is not really the same thing as voting me cuz you think i'm scum

also no offense, but i don't really think u *could* mislynch me

Lol, okay. I think you just scum claimed with this.

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VOTE: skitter

oh do tell

You said you don’t think i could mislynch you, but you’re L-2 now I believe.

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L-3

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And you’ve been pushing me as scum.

That train of thought shows you know I’m town here.

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FL, just say the word and I uncross skitter.

Uncross Skitter and vote her.

Hammer this home.

She said she doesn’t think i could mislynch her when she’s actually close to being lynched, which means she knows I’m not scum and this isn’t me mislynching her.

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Skitter’s also been playing very cunning all game if you look through her posts and how she reacts towards everyone.

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ah. i didn't mean here specifically, i meant that in like a general sense i don't think u can mislynch me

not still convinced that you're still scum; i'm ~assessing~ some things

I could mislynch a broom, but my strength is getting out of a lynch, not mislynching people.

I get other people to mislynch people for me when I’m scum.

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I half town read Skitter just because I don’t think it’s that easy, but at the same time, she’s obv scum, and I don’t really have much to put it into words, if that makes sense.

I feel she knows I don’t have the actual reasoninngto get her, and it’s like a

“Nanner nanner I’m scum, but you can’t prove it”

I do that as scum because it gets me in a 1v1, and I get town read from it

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Does scum!skitter get caught D1 though?
Like no!FL gets caught D1. Does skitter?

That’s my biggest thing. My only real experience with scumSkitter I was partners with her, and Eddie and I coached her a good amount, but she was new.

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well my point is more that i don't think i'm really mislynchable unless i'm, like, not here to talk myself out of it

pedit scum!me might, sure. i just got lynched day1 in my most recent scumgame. and in my second-most recent i got venge-killed after the day1 lynch

It’s this line of thinking.

Also note how before she attacked me (not personally, it’s just an umbrella term) for not being able to mislynch her, now she’s saying it’s because she’s just unmislynchable rather than focus on my ability to mislynch her.

That was her backing away and trying to diffuse fire on her.

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eh you can be town actually

This is a known tactic to get me to flip flop because I’m known as a HUGE flip flopper.

Y’all know that.

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i actually didn't know that!

I figured you didn’t, which is why I think you were just trying to diffuse the fire rather than appease me specifically to make you come across as townie.

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eh you can be town actually

Why can I be town actually?

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for ~reasons~ that i'm assessing that i'm probably just going to share soon

I don’t believe there should be any real reasons that require waiting.

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What are your thoughts on Krazy?

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really tho what do u think of his vote on me?

If he’s scum and you’re town, looks like an opportunistic vote.

If you’re scum, and he’s town, looks like he trusts my read.

Neither is more likely than the other if it weren’t for you being scummy here.

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Let me rephrase that, you aren’t being scummy. You are being rather townie, imo, but the kind of townie that scum skates by with.

Krazy doesn’t hop on you if you two are SvS, he could just as easily come after me with you.

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We’re 40 pages in. I think I’m ready to end this with Skitter lynch.

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(can we all assume i know exactly how scummy i looked on the last few pages, ty)

You only think this because you’re seeing it from a scum perspective.

I don’t think you were scummy at all, I just think you’re scum.

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(can we all assume i know exactly how scummy i looked on the last few pages, ty)

Ok so why are you voting me then?

She’s just scum. She tried deflecting the pressure onto you.

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I still think she’s scum. Lynch her

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I still think she’s scum. Lynch her

With FIRE

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VOTE: Baezu

Skitter being intentionally scummy, and I’m the one that caught her.

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And I was in on it the whole time!

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And Vorkuta, can you not scum it up? I only have enough town cred to get Krazy through the day.

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scum were prolly pushing against ur wagon for the most part.

I agree. I wouldn’t expect more than like 1, 2 max on skitter, and they probably were in the ladder half.

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one on prolly several off pushing against.

More like 1 on, 1 pushing against, and the rest just hanging out just letting it go.

People staying out of it are probably scum

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And I was in on it the whole time!

i kinda think scum!you would have taken the 1v1 when i tried to force it earlier tbh

Yeah, and you were being actually scummy because you were IC. I’ve been there. I knew something was off.

I think I even brought up you could still be town.

I think Fire’s town.

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And I was in on it the whole time!

i kinda think scum!you would have taken the 1v1 when i tried to force it earlier tbh

Yeah, and you were being actually scummy because you were IC. I’ve been there. I knew something was off.

I think I even brought up you could still be town.

I think Fire’s town.

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I feel like Krazy is best kept alive for now. We can just keep watch on him.

Yeah, skitts, I understand your gambit. You did well.

If Krazy is town, then that means we got a Fire-Skitter-Flavor-Krazy townblock, which means scum have to do something about us

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I think it’s best to just see what happens with Krazy in the game.

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That wasn’t a watcher crumb, scum don’t shoot me.

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i kinda think krazy is scum so i'm not really sure i'm willing to just drop it for today tbh

That’s fine. We can talk it over, but I think it’s best he isn’t lynched today.

Even if he is scum, the rest of the scum can hide. I want scumKrazy to be forced to kill his partners or out himself.

Or if he’s town, he’ll just work with us.

Win/win.

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I think the potential for scum actually having to worry about that block is worth not lynching Krazy today.

Even though i town read FB, he could just be scum sneaking through the cracks.

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Generally scum don’t hard sheep me, and FB followed me on 2 wagons.

Saudade did that to me before, and he was town, so

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wait is no one scumreading me?

It’s fine. I think you’re scum, but I’m town reading you.

Does that make sense? Does that fill that void?

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i am going to ignore that as alignment indicative replace out even though it looks it.

Does it, though? I was defending the slot pretty hard. It does look AI, but idk what direction it leans in. Best to keep NAI, I guess

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If flavor knows skitter as much as he seems to think then he definitely could be scum.

I don't think he does

Pretty sure that his reactions during our thing yesterday were town-indicative

I disagree. You were actively being scummy. I had every reason to push you and think you are scum, especially day 1.

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This isn’t scumKura, and I think Lucian is mislynch bait

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ScumKuta*

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This isn’t scumKura, and I think Lucian is mislynch bait

yes on Lucian. Can we stop agreeing all game?

Stop pocket

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This isn’t scumKura, and I think Lucian is mislynch bait

Then who is popping up on your scumdar, FL?

Oh, baezu’s lock scum here

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Krazy slot could be scum, but I’m willing to give that a couple days to make sure.

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That Skitter wagon has scum on it. No full scum team sits back and watched FL vs Skitter and doesn’t add fire. Had Skitter not been IC, she’d have been flipped, which gets a high priority lynch.

Firebringer/Vorkuta are the ones who had reasons to go there. This is Day, so in theory it could be picket attempts, but that would be obvious later in the game, so no need to worry too much about it there.

Lucian’s being mislynch bait.


PEdit:

Now he’s wallposting. Great. At least one of Baezu/Krazy have scum in them

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No, it’s how she went on to Skitter. She was attempting to warlock me.

Vorkuta could have been doing this as well, but this generally feels how townVorkuta is to me.

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are you townreading baezu for townreading u here?

TLK’s probably scum here, but I’m willing to give that a few days to make sure. I want to have a case, and I don’t have more than a few things, which could be NAI, but I’m typically thinking he’s scum here. He’s naturally scummy, though, and mislynch bait kind of scummy, so I want some flips prior to making a conclusion.

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I was asking TLK

Ohh wait. U were responding to him. lol

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are you townreading baezu for townreading u here?

TLK’s probably scum here, but I’m willing to give that a few days to make sure. I want to have a case, and I don’t have more than a few things, which could be NAI, but I’m typically thinking he’s scum here. He’s naturally scummy, though, and mislynch bait kind of scummy, so I want some flips prior to making a conclusion.

Le sigh. Et tu, Brute? At least you're waiting this time before you vote me... So I actually like the idea of town!Leaf for this.

What do you mean waiting this time? We’ve only played one game together, and the only time I voted you was when I hammered you Day 2 after you claimed Supersaint. And I was scum there.

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Feels kinda bad I haven't done any meaningful read, not even a skim. Though I think Lucian is town.

Solid. He looks town from the base level is a good thing for me, because I thought I was overlooking reasons why he could be scum, but base level outside perspective he looks town means he’s probably mislynch bait like i thought.

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I feel like scum are bouncing back and forth between Lucian and Vorkuta as their mislynches.

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I don’t know if Ank would be that outright scummy as scum.

Maybe she would, haha. I’ll wait for her to talk more. I’m wanting to give her the BOONefit of the doubt.

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What are your current reads, Flavor Leaf?

ScumZu, townLucian/Kuta/Fire

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I’m pretty sure you’re town too

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If flavor knows skitter as much as he seems to think then he definitely could be scum.

I don't think he does

Pretty sure that his reactions during our thing yesterday were town-indicative

I disagree. You were actively being scummy. I had every reason to push you and think you are scum, especially day 1.

my point is more that i don't think you know my meta as well as you claim to

I’m not a meta reliant player, so it doesn’t really matter. I can see the type of players people are from playing the game with them, and that’s the majority of what I do early game as town.

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NerfedBuj is actually incorrect hard.

People can easily read me on site now. And I’m generally not so fluffy with my playing. I’m just busy in real life right now and in a whole lot of games, and modding 2.

I also play Mafia the exact opposite, i like working as a team rather than playing alone, so that’s a blatant misrep on NerfedBuj

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I dont think i like the Luv wagon.

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VOTE: Boom

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VOTE: NerfedBuj

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Tet’s Town

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He locked me as town. That’s just poor scum play

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He locked me as town. That’s just poor scum play

Hmm, we both know I would buddy you as scum though.

Would you, though? Could you handle buddying me only to have me late game flip flop all over the place?

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Wut bout me

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willing to sheep papa leaf anywhere but ank

Wut ur n ths gam

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Buj? I think he’s kinda towny

I don’t really townread you either

But jason, that means I’m town.

You town read me when i’m Scum

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My classmates are playing some version of mafia

And they suck at it.

Classic. I love bamboozling normies.

Their setup:
One wolf
One cop
One doctor
10+ townies

Gross.

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VOTE: Almost50

@Tet

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I really wanted to town read Krazy too, but alas, I guess that’s not true.

Day ends here. Sorry, A50. Next time.

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TLK’s hatcheting me now.

Waiting for Tet to follow up first.

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I’m only scum if Tet’s also scum.

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And I’m town from Skitter.

Krazy was on the Skitter wagon, replaced by Ank, replaced by A50 now. That’s a scum slot for multiple reasons now.

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No, I see that. I'm just questioning your read and trying to determine whether it is specific to A50 or the slot in general.

And based on your definition of "hatcheting," I'm not discrediting you. If anything, I'm giving you credit for your meta knowledge on A50.

It’s both, and not even really meta.

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The only thing remotely meta about it is because yes, A50 is a similar player to me. That’s why he’s scum here mixed in with the slot’s plethora of other reasons.

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Which i will get to once Tet comes in, but they’re all already out there.

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Hatcheting; like Chainsawing—discrediting rather than pushing. Specifically the term used when one scum player discredits a townie pushing one of their scum buddies.

The term was coined when I caught Garmr and Almost50 hatcheries me hard.

I got them both that game for the victory.

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So it's discrediting done by scum for scum needs? Why not just call me scum then?

Don't be so convoluted. It's basically you trying to get away with calling me scum without actually doing it.

I did call you scum.

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are you townreading baezu for townreading u here?

TLK’s probably scum here, but I’m willing to give that a few days to make sure. I want to have a case, and I don’t have more than a few things, which could be NAI, but I’m typically thinking he’s scum here. He’s naturally scummy, though, and mislynch bait kind of scummy, so I want some flips prior to making a conclusion.

Hatcheting also dictates the necessity of you being scum. If A50 ended up being town, this would be a flawed case, in which case you could have just been white knighting him.

I don’t think A50 flips town here ever.

You could still be town, but with the info I have right now, I’m seeing you two as S/S.

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I think A50 is town. I could angleshoot if i felt like it but I don't think that slot is ever scum.

Someone tell me i am wrong. i dare u.

Why do you think it’s town?

The Krazy slot replacement was effectively NAI prior, but with the chain of events, and the A50 entrance (joking, yes) but I think it becomes AI, and A50 is scum off of it.

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I barely do vote counts for my own game.

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I think A50 is town. I could angleshoot if i felt like it but I don't think that slot is ever scum.

Someone tell me i am wrong. i dare u.

Why do you think it’s town?

The Krazy slot replacement was effectively NAI prior, but with the chain of events, and the A50 entrance (joking, yes) but I think it becomes AI, and A50 is scum off of it.

i haven't played with A50 in ages. I am not reading him based on that. Reading Krazy/Ank and the replace-outs which I think confirms the slot as town.

I think Ank replaced out for other reasons, and Krazy got upset with skitter, which could have been Scum Indicative, but I didn’t want to use that at the time.

A50 did a hard Flavor Leaf Scum tell, and there’s a deep A50-FL comparison.

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Which is why I wanted Tet to comment

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I’ve interacted with FB and Skitter plenty this game.

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Hello folks. I;m scum. Lynch me

Actually, scratch that. Just tell me who we mislynching today and I'm game. It's always better to bait the investigators on N1, so as to protect my scum buddies from being caught.

I';ll get back to this is a few... for now.. carry on.

The combination of all these.

The obvious joke claim mixed with the retraction, and the protection from stating the joke mislynch, and then going away for a bit.

This is much more likely to come from scumUs than townUs.

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I’ve interacted with FB and Skitter plenty this game.

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Nobody else I feel like giving the Third Degree Boon yet. I’m not actively staying away from people, they just aren’t coming to me either.

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i didn't want to be in ur clique anyway. i will go make my own clique with blackjack and nintendo.

I’m actually a giant Nintendo fan. Even when it was less popular, I was still pushing them as the best.

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I think Ank replaced out for other reasons, and Krazy got upset with skitter, which could have been Scum Indicative, but I didn’t want to use that at the time.

A50 did a hard Flavor Leaf Scum tell, and there’s a deep A50-FL comparison.

This is kind of what I expected you to say. I know how you feel about A50 so this made sense to me.

Did you think I was scum before I started asking these questions? Or is it simply based on this interaction?

I thought you were scum since early on, but it’s early on, and I didn’t want to push you.

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Because I didn’t want to mislynch you, and my push would give a lot of steam towards doing so.

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So i’m Waiting until I’m sure. And now you know of this, and you’ll act accordingly regardless, so that should be a fun watch if you’re scum.

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i wonder if its hypocritical for me to say that when i claim scum all the time as a joke to myself....probably, but i will ignore that for now. I think a50 is town. Fite me FL.

It’s different when you do it. It is generally NAI, but with the rest of your play it actually becomes AI.

We would do something like that as town as well, however with the rest of the chain pieces, it is coming from scum.

IM 100% accurate with my scum reads on A50.

1 for 1

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So i’m Waiting until I’m sure. And now you know of this, and you’ll act accordingly regardless, so that should be a fun watch if you’re scum.

Right on. It seemed like you scum read me but that you didn't want to commit to it for some reason. Now I know why you haven't pushed it but I still don't know why you scum read me.

Idk it has felt like you were avoiding a lot of people though and not just me. That's why this A50 thing really stinks.

So you think as scum I’d actively avoid people?

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Do you think it feels like you are actively sorting shit?

not immensly but i am not pretending to either which i think he is trying to do.

It’s Day 1. You’re doing plenty considering.

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Do you think it feels like you are actively sorting shit?

not immensly but i am not pretending to either which i think he is trying to do.

It’s Day 1. You’re doing plenty considering.

i already have u as town u don't need to be kissing up to me

Why do you assume it’s kissing up more than just a pat on the head?

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i wonder if its hypocritical for me to say that when i claim scum all the time as a joke to myself....probably, but i will ignore that for now. I think a50 is town. Fite me FL.

It’s different when you do it. It is generally NAI, but with the rest of your play it actually becomes AI.

We would do something like that as town as well, however with the rest of the chain pieces, it is coming from scum.

IM 100% accurate with my scum reads on A50.

1 for 1

i don't have enough to read almost yet. I think the slot is 100% town though given the circumstances.

what u think of luv right now?

I’m null on LUV. I need to look back and remember. I had a big disappearance in this game, and essentially I missed the entirety of Ankamius here.

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How is that LHF? Definitely isn’t.

I haven’t even really played with Almost that much, tbh.

This is barely even a meta thing, meta’s just supplementary.

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I’ll comment on LUV thing in a little bit

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Hello folks. I;m scum. Lynch me

How is that LHF? Definitely isn’t.

I haven’t even really played with Almost that much, tbh.

This is barely even a meta thing, meta’s just supplementary.

I feel like this is lhf yes

A50 is never a LHF push

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Hello folks. I;m scum. Lynch me

How is that LHF? Definitely isn’t.

I haven’t even really played with Almost that much, tbh.

This is barely even a meta thing, meta’s just supplementary.

I feel like this is lhf yes

And I feel like that's taking things out of the context of everything else the slot has done.

This ^

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Idk a brand new replacement on a slot that's been replaced once already that claims scum seems too easy to me and you're all just playing into it.

But it also stands that I don't know what A50 could gain from this.

It's not like I don't think this is a good push. It's just that I'm asking why. Because it seems like you're doing what he wants you to do. Look at the skitter flip, for instance.

Nah, most people will fight it because they just replaced in, especially with a new player.

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Nah, he definitely didn’t expect anyone to push him for that stuff.

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If anything, it was probably said to do the opposite.

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and then left without doing anything real or useful when the slot was already scummy

it's this bit that's bad for him ^^^^^

I don’t mind him leaving while the slot was scummy, it’s that it literally was just a pop in for the sake of being a pop in in a “oh, this is an obv BS push, you can’t push this” kind of way.

It’s in conjunction with everything else. I wasn’t reading the slot as scum prior, but that action attached to the rest of the chain, retroactively makes the other stuff AI.

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You know, LUV and I usually are the same alignment, so I never really had to read him much. I don’t really know how to read him either.

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Is this the longest Day 1 in recent memory?

Nah, BooneyToonz Extravaganza hit the 100’s I believe.

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I forget the etiquette on MS, is it common for people to claim at L-2, L-1, or intent to hammer?

Generally l-1, but L-2 is fine.

BTE got 97 pages, actually.

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What's happening in this game?

A50 joke scum claimed as scum.

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Might go to Lucian if we don't go A50;

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this is town creature.

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Baezu gets mislynched a lot, so I’m not cool with that. Just wait and read her later.

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No vorkie

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All 5 of the wagons right now are on town.

UNVOTE: A50

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VOTE: NerfedBuj

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VOTE: NerfedBuj

this isn't a thing that's happening today

Yeah, you’re right. I’m barely posting.

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There is one option but I really don’t wanna go there because it benefits scum more than town.

Spit it out

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PL is bad

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VOTE: NerfedBuj

I’m channeling my inner Wisdom.

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Baezu’s town.

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It’s not even a vanity wagon. I’ve been saying this since before A50 got into this game

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Wow, I knew I was right with A50’s entrance. I shouldn’t have doubted near the end.

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Elsa’s probably town.

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I pushed A50 harder than anyone. I count

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Yes

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I caught him