Micro 874: Generic Micro Normal (game OVER]

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

die queen

[nomnomnom]

I almost don't want to trust such a pure act of kindness, but a newbie would legitimately make this play. I'd say she got told to do it but there's no daychat. So uh... Good for her.

it's okay you can just vig her later right

[nomnomnom]

It's okay I'm a vig too, I'll do the dirty job for you this time around.

[nomnomnom]

You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?

I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.

I'm a regular vig, I can shoot any time I want. I'll just shoot you tonight.

Who's the scum?

[nomnomnom]

I don't know. Why would you out yourself D1?

Just so we can book your funeral.

[nomnomnom]

And by vigging I mean speedlynching you because that was a pretty bad claim.

VOTE: Mary

[nomnomnom]

I almost don't want to trust such a pure act of kindness, but a newbie would legitimately make this play. I'd say she got told to do it but there's no daychat. So uh... Good for her.

I'm p sure there could be daychat if there's an encryptor.

Also i'm p sure that claim comes from town

It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.

[nomnomnom]

And there's actually proof that she's bullshitting. You just need to read her claim two seconds and her few next posts and if you think about it two seconds it should be clear as to why.

[nomnomnom]

Y is it forced here?

I'm glad you asked.

Hi everyone. I have a weird role this time and I've never seen it in a game to learn strategies on how to play it.

Fortunately, the wiki offered handy advice on playing this role

:

So pure. You played it right.

I don't really *get* the role. Seems damaging to town for nothing.

And here's the actual wiki. Pay attention to the ordering.


Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.

[nomnomnom]

Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.

I don't understand the problem you're having really, she can read the advice on how to play without getting the role of a miller in a setup

Even if it's just before? I'm fairly sure town!MJL would have read the thing just on top and asked more questions about the place of a miller in a setup but in here she acted confused. That's how I feel about the slot anyway.

[nomnomnom]

Interesting. Nom I think you've made a good push but I think MJL is still town. I don't believe they would have the confidence to fake claim as scum this early in their career.

There's a first time for everything, and I think this is the kind of thing she would do as scum. It's a bit daring but I think that's the point.

I don't know what difference it makes whether I understand the value of the role or not if I followed the wiki advice word for word. Whatever. Lynch me, vig me, or keep me aboard. I'll provide reads periodically through the game for as long as I'm alive.

Happy to oblige

[nomnomnom]

Nomnom i don't like ur push here much at all

i cri everynight

[nomnomnom]

First!

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert it's been that long.

Long time no see mi amigo. How are you?

I'm not too shabby! You?

LUV town. Nom town. Skitter town. MJL town.

Seems like your voting options are limited here

[nomnomnom]

it's hard to explain but it doesn't feel like it comes from a ~real~ thought process so much as he's looking for a reason to push her

What part about my push doesn't feel like a real thought process?

[nomnomnom]

I forgot about this for a bit tbh. Has anything important besides the miller thing happened?

what's your thoughts about the whole miller debacle?

[nomnomnom]

why would you lynch a mason????? confused

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

you two irl

[nomnomnom]

Sarcasm detected and ignored because I don't feel like being as jokey right now.

who are you and what did you do to elsa

[nomnomnom]

Like I said: I evolve my style to the playerlist and the game. I just want an easy town victory this game as well.

what game are you referring to btw? I'm lazy feed me now

[nomnomnom]

Mini Normal 2050

you aren't in that game pls stop troll

[nomnomnom]

@cheeky this is why you don't trust queen

[nomnomnom]

Did you actually also check 2060? lol.

mayyyyyyybeeeee

[nomnomnom]

I take it back I'm shooting elsa first

[nomnomnom]

it's okay next time I'll make sure to make a photoshop edit with neon signs that say THIS IS SARCASM BY THE WAY. LOL!

[nomnomnom]

she's literally telling people that it's fine to quicklynch her .... how often do you see scum saying that really?

Seems to work pretty well as a scum tactic given the fact no one wants to push this despite some evidence that the way she claimed was odd and that it sounds off place for someone like MJL. Just saying.

pedit:

also when did you read the wiki page for miller?

I don't get the question, she mentioned the wiki so I went to re-read it myself once more.

[nomnomnom]

and like I'm rereading your points you made about me, do you honestly think I would get out of my way early d1 as scum to get myself in the spotlight to try and get an early miller claim lynched and go so far as to make a bullshit push using a wiki as evidence, when it would be a good thing for scums to keep a miller alive for the paranoia factors? That's kinda what you're saying.

[nomnomnom]

this is how the world ends

not with a bang but a self vote

[nomnomnom]

and like I'm rereading your points you made about me, do you honestly think I would get out of my way early d1 as scum to get myself in the spotlight to try and get an early miller claim lynched and go so far as to make a bullshit push using a wiki as evidence, when it would be a good thing for scums to keep a miller alive for the paranoia factors? That's kinda what you're saying.

it read to me like you were trying to take advantage of the awkwardness to push her

Awkwardness aside, there are elements that clearly stand out as scummy.

[nomnomnom]

ok
which elements?

The fact that I feel town!mjl would have asked more deep questions about being a miller (it's meta so feel free to disregard)?
The fact that she proclaims she'll periodically provide reads as the game goes on, speaking like she's an outsider and not an actual member of town? (46)
The fact that we were promised some scum hunting but all we got was a self-vote?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: MaryJoLisa

In which world do you vote yourself day 1?

A world where you see people townreading you because you say speedlynching you day 1 is a good idea, so you double-down on that idea.
It's like LAMIST on crack.

[nomnomnom]

the only oen of those i actually have a problem with is the self-vote actually

incidentally i was the ic in her first newbie game (back when we still had ic's!) and deathtunneled town!her for like two dayphases for being lamist

This is probably town

[nomnomnom]

me or her?

you

sheep me now friend

[nomnomnom]

Yes, pretty confident this is a scum claiming miller.

[nomnomnom]

awkward apologies

[nomnomnom]

@skit other reads so far?

[nomnomnom]

why was my earlier post townie?

Considering my arguments and pointing out what specifically bothers you is townie reasoning. Then again I probably should exercise caution given the title under your username, but heh, I townread you so far.

you're scum prob.

Anything outside of the MJL push or?

[nomnomnom]

So Cheeky, where's your head now?

where's yours?

[nomnomnom]

So Cheeky, where's your head now?

where's yours?

Right abovw my neck.

we could achieve so many things together and this is what you do

[nomnomnom]

@Skitter, these are not anywhere near as fleshed out as I'd like them to be but I want to make sure to put them down here before I go to sleep just in case I get hammered before I can log back in.

Saudade:

I don’t know what his shtick is, but I’m willing to give him a town read in light of other, more tempting scum candidates.

CheekyTeeky:

Yeah, she’s a scum read for me. (Sorry, Cheeky!) See Elsa Jay for more info.

DeltaWave:

null

Lil Uzi Vert:

I think town for Uzi.

skitter30:

Town. If Skitter is scum, she deserves the win because I’m totally buying the town play.

Creature:

null

nomnomnom:

Town. I really want to scum read this but I can’t yet. If I'm around tomorrow, I'll try to build a town and scum case so I can better sort this player with the evidence in front of me.

Elsa Jay:

Scum. (Sorry, Elsa!) The acceptance of my claiming miller seemed perfectly natural to Elsa; like he was aware that I wasn’t scum, so my miller claim was plausible. Still digesting the day’s events, but I thought the daychat slip was over-compensated for between Elsa Jay and CheekyTeeky. They were still doing damage control even though my miller claim had taken my, Skitter and noms' attention.

My personal preference is that scum is Elsa and nom, but my logic tells me Elsa and Cheeky are a more likely pair. This of course could change when Creature and DeltaWave show up.

I changed my mind.

VOTE: Elsa

[nomnomnom]

The only solution is omgusing her obviously.

[nomnomnom]

Waiting for some sort of analysis from you saud

[nomnomnom]

There will be no analysis

sadface

[nomnomnom]

I've seen no reason whatsoever to be townreading Skitter30 at this point, and on the contrary I see reason to be really suspicious about how she's been approaching this game.
Lil Uzi Vert is mostly a question mark since I'm really not sure whether to townread his content or be suspicious about his trajectories.

I do have some concerns about LUV but I'd like to know about the skitter stuff

[nomnomnom]

Also we absolutely need a delta replacement asap

[nomnomnom]

It's Blake/Saudade.

I think you probably should get a breath of fresh air and forget saudade for a second.

[nomnomnom]

It's Blake/Saudade.

I think you probably should get a breath of fresh air and forget saudade for a second.

I play different. This is my way of forming reads which are more accurate. My reads are very fluid usually but this game I'm determined not to break the townblock.

Trying to lynch saudade will go nowhere today. And that's without trying to read him or anything, it's just going to be a big waste of time and posts.

Should concentrate our efforts somewhere else.

@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn

[nomnomnom]

@Blake between a Skit and a LUV wagon which one do you benefit town the most rn

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

VOTE: LUV

[nomnomnom]

I'm happy leaving saudade alive today but you all have to agree he doesn't make lylo.

Is he one of those Not Mafia kind of players?

I've played with both. They're not the same kind at all.

[nomnomnom]

MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?

My reads are the same.

Right weren't you supposed to make a town/scum me case later on?

[nomnomnom]

Just as a sidenote I profoundly dislike the fact creature still has not voted anything yet and that MJL is STILL self voting

[nomnomnom]

Are they both individual scumreads or do you believe they have equity as a team?

what

[nomnomnom]

oh boy this will be fun

@blake u around?

I'm calling this right now this is where the game goes downhill

[nomnomnom]

Nothing. Just a bad feeling.

Lay it on me, girlfriend

how deep is the ms lore

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom (meta read)

We have played one game together and that game I rolled scum. How can you have a meta read on me?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Blake

Yeah, this slot needs to go.

[nomnomnom]

oh the plot thickens, i actually thought you were going to vote me

why is blake scum?

Scumread the slot when it was Elsa, and this 1v1 is completely forced. That vote against you sealed it pretty much.

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom (meta read)

We have played one game together and that game I rolled scum. How can you have a meta read on me?

No, I've seen your scumgame twice. I was in Undertale too.

I can tell that your thought processes are a step more nuanced and thought out before they're being put into the thread from your early engagements, which is generally town-indicative for relatively new players.

Every game is different and you haven't seen a single town game to be able to see what the differences are, so you are implying I am town.

The parameters here are different from the two other games I've been in as scum (even though I replaced out of one). You are comparing apples and oranges.

[nomnomnom]

Fine.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

? why aren't you voting me anymore?

Do you understand why I am pushing Blake now?

[nomnomnom]

I asked her what the better push was between you and LUV and she went for LUV, which I sheeped. Then she got into a 1v1 with you over relatively small things and backtracked on it.

[nomnomnom]

i'd feel bad being wrong on blake and leading a wagon on her :/

What's plan B?

[nomnomnom]

can't wait to quote this if she ever flips scum

[nomnomnom]

I'm not gonna lie, I still have MJL in the back of my mind.

[nomnomnom]

i'm p. sure luv/ank is not tvt

That's funny, she said the same thing about you and luv

[nomnomnom]

i'm p. sure luv/ank is not tvt

That's funny, she said the same thing about you and luv

there seems to be a common denominator

now the question is are we being rused

[nomnomnom]

hot

[nomnomnom]

hot take

skitter and blake is svs

[nomnomnom]

That 1v1 felt like weaksauce and felt flat actually extremely quickly and the fact you both get to you being involved in a tvs with luv is going to lead to a luv lynch, so there's actually a possibility you guys are in deep scumtheather territory, even more since you guys seem to be at east with each other.

Just a hot take though

[nomnomnom]

That 1v1 felt like weaksauce and felt flat actually extremely quickly and the fact you both get to you being involved in a tvs with luv is going to lead to a luv lynch, so there's actually a possibility you guys are in deep scumtheather territory, even more since you guys seem to be at east with each other.

Just a hot take though

this is an interesting take and ngl prob something i mgiht try to do with ank if i were scum with her, so fair enough

what if you're doing this right now tho

[nomnomnom]

oops!

[nomnomnom]

right i forgot the delta slot existed

yeah maybe it's just in {luv/creature/delta}?

maybe rethinking the ank read; i'm not sure yet

That 1v1 felt like weaksauce and felt flat actually extremely quickly and the fact you both get to you being involved in a tvs with luv is going to lead to a luv lynch, so there's actually a possibility you guys are in deep scumtheather territory, even more since you guys seem to be at east with each other.

Just a hot take though

this is an interesting take and ngl prob something i mgiht try to do with ank if i were scum with her, so fair enough

ok u can be town now too i think

i'm down to two scum in: {

blake

/luv/creature/delta} with an outside chance of saudade

[nomnomnom]

I love this game already

[nomnomnom]

Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?

I'd be very shocked.

What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.

"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."

The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.

Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?

Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.

[nomnomnom]

How the fuck should I know?

I don't know, common sense?

[nomnomnom]

going to bed, going to think about these things over

[nomnomnom]

@Nomnomnom, I know I said I’d build a case for either town or scum, but I’m not feeling a scum read on you at all so I don’t want to spend my time considering it

when no one else is calling you out

.

This phrasing is making me really uncomfortable

[nomnomnom]

I think I'm voting between MJL/Blake today.

[nomnomnom]

Probably just blake though.

Yeeee

[nomnomnom]

Who said I was?

[nomnomnom]

Then why are you unwilling to vote for either of them?

Why would I vote there?

[nomnomnom]

It's okay blake, the game is already over for you.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, I would be surprised getting caught this early too. Sounds bad huh?

For real, who's the scum?

[nomnomnom]

Alright I'm checking out of the thread.

Let me know if I need to answer anything, but otherwise I'm leaving you with the same PoE that should have been very obvious today.

What PoE?

[nomnomnom]

That's a pretty bad PoE friend.

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

And skitter

For the love of god get confidence in your deductions so you can see this through, don't make the mistake of reassessing your way to another wrong solve.

Not actually sure what this is referring to

I feel p good about scum!creature actually rn

Who's your best bet for a partner?

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, nah. I don't buy it. I am against that PoE too.

[nomnomnom]

Scum literally have to lynch Saudade + Deltawave + MJL to win without directly removing me day one

I don't want to be rude but I think your posts involve a high amount of LSD

[nomnomnom]

Are you playing a different game I am or are you sniping at everything I'm saying for no reason?

We're probably playing the same game. Although I have my doubts sometimes.

Your self importance in all of this is actually quite comical if you ask me.

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps my Blake/Skitter scumteam wasn't too far off after all.

[nomnomnom]

Hooray for vig shots

[nomnomnom]

why is water wet?

[nomnomnom]

I do have a tendency to sometimes tunnel but I don't think my push is bizarre.

It may not make sense to you but for me it does.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Blake

[nomnomnom]

There's something I predicted that would happen but it didn't, so this is the conclusion that I came to.

[nomnomnom]

We're getting scattered this is not good.

The lynch should be in {skitter, blake, LUV}. The rest is not good. At all.

[nomnomnom]

The lynch should be in {skitter, blake, LUV}.

Would only do skitter out of these.

Mind to explain the TR on LUV and Blake?

The rest is not good because it's either on the assumption that the PoE is between the 3 low posters, we have Saudade trying to get cheeky lynched since minute 1 and other silly stuff like that. The way forward to town is to go with those three because their interaction MUST have AT LEAST one scum. I refuse to believe these three would act like this towards each other if they were all town. Impossible. And for me the scum here is Blake.

[nomnomnom]

The problem is that I also see a case for scum!skitter and scum!LUV. So at this point it's a matter of deciding which one of them we absolutely do not trust.

[nomnomnom]

I think you're townreading someone wrong.

Care to explain?

[nomnomnom]

I think you're townreading someone wrong.

Care to explain?

I don't really see the reason to townread Cheeky and Saudade.

I think I trust Saudade for some reason. Cheeky is a big ??? but honestly, going for the big question marks right now I think is a bad idea.

The only thing I have true confidence in is the skitter/blake/LUV interaction. That's the only thing I feel comfortable delving in. And again, I may sound like a paranoid idiot here, but I still think there's a chance that outside of all this, MJL is still scum.

[nomnomnom]

Terrible.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not gonna have a good time this game am I

[nomnomnom]

So uh.

I took a step back and rethought my reads out again and watched the last couple pages.

I'm still not entirely sure why the scumteam isn't just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert?

Why hop to Saudade then? And don't tell me anything about pressure.

Because Cheeky followed me before and I was just returning the favor.

[nomnomnom]

Can we just lynch that slot before any disaster happens thank you I will make sure to write you in the special thanks of my successful post-game writing about how I carried this game

[nomnomnom]

...which you are not doing because...?

[nomnomnom]

This is just stupid.

[nomnomnom]

Oh believe me, I'm getting very annoyed with all the directions everybody is going in too.

Yet you indulge those directions randomly because...?

[nomnomnom]

Nomnomnom you really need to take a step back and think about whether my actions are actually scum-indicative or just weird to you.

This is the source of just about every scumread on me this game and that's frankly a very weak reason to think somebody is scum for, since it's really just a sign of a playstyle clash from the town in this group.

That's not my primary reason to think you're scum. My primary reason is how you, Skitter and LUV interacted this game. There must be scum between you three. And right now I feel good with you as candidate and I'll admit that the insane stuff you do this game is a reassuring push for me even though in the end you probably are correct.

If you're not scum I'm puzzled by your interactions with Skitter and LUV and that's what making me doubt. But I could say the same with Skitter.

[nomnomnom]

It's pretty easily explainable by me being wary of engaging too much with my scumreads (predominantly LUV from how his side has gone) and me having an engagement with skitter that I just cut short and reassessed later.

I'm not very strong at direct engagements, and that mindset should light both into a bit of a different light.

The fact that both you and Skitter came to the conclusion that there should be one scum in LUV/X, yet that none of you actually pushed LUV, dropped your 1v1 as fast as it started, and instead decided to go for a creature push is the entire reason why I am on your case.

It doesn't make sense. This is scum reasoning. One of you is scum. And I'll find which one it is.

[nomnomnom]

What exactly is the problem?

The consensus between you and Skitter.

[nomnomnom]

It doesn't make sense. This is scum reasoning. One of you is scum. And I'll find which one it is.

Why only one?

I never said it was only one. I am still considering Blake/Skitter.

[nomnomnom]

It could simply be LUV. That's the simpler answer. But if that's the case then... hm....

[nomnomnom]

My instinct is constantly telling me that something is VERY off with those 3 and that doing anything else is very bad. It's just a matter of getting people to listen to me and have some organization, and town wins this.

[nomnomnom]

I think the best way to put all of this into words is:

LUV would be the easiest lynch of my life, if I was convinced that both Blake and Skitter are town. But I'm not.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter

[nomnomnom]

I think skitter scum - Blake town doesn't work out, the Blake lynch would already have happened.

Explain.

[nomnomnom]

Blake wagon was L-1 without skitter, she was super on the fence going between Blake is scum and Blake is town. Why not fall on the scum side and end it, especially after I also expressed some support?

If blake is town and skitter is scum, there is all the interest in the world to keep Blake around. It's an eternal pocket and in that case that means blake is making an enormous mistake with this PoE. Hammering Blake would mean less people pushing for that PoE which ends up bottlenecking her as a result on top of hammering a townie, and then you have people like me that want off that PoE entirely left alive, which is again a problem for scum. There is all the interest in the world for her to keep her around as a political toy this game, and there are good chances that it could be what's happening.

[nomnomnom]

I'm fairly sure scum!skitter would love Blake hammered here. Just not her doing it.

[nomnomnom]

Then again, maybe I am completely wrong and it's just as simple as LUV being scum and we probably should be pushing this anyway.

[nomnomnom]

I will follow a LUV push.

What's with the sudden change of heart?

[nomnomnom]

So if one in skitter/blake are town, then both are town?

I'm not sure how I feel about skitter town Blake scum right now. The way Blake dropped her like a hot potato when she said he meta changed was strange to me.

My instinct tells me that town!skitter scum!blake is VERY unlikely. Just from the way things happened.

[nomnomnom]

Likely scenarios imo are:
Skitter - Blake town / LUV scum
LUV town / Skitter - Blake scum
LUV - Blake town / Skitter scum
Blake town / Skitter - Luv scum

[nomnomnom]

I guess that means LUV is scum then. Which I'm not really buying until I get some more from him.

I have 3 scenarios where scum!skitter is likely, why would that be your first thought?

[nomnomnom]

hmmm...

[nomnomnom]

I need a mental break from this and clear my thoughts.

[nomnomnom]

Sometimes it really is as simple as scum are low-efforting LHF. There aren't always strong scum players evading us with their genius.

Where... is this coming from...
A slot... pushing creature/saudade that also believed blake could be scum... now argues with me that LUV is scum and that... him as a scumread makes the most sense??

This is not good for my paranoia.

[nomnomnom]

It's not overthinking, it's healthy skepticism.

Well... healthy is debatable, but skepticism nonetheless.

Again, if LUV was that natural of a scumread then why the HELL hasn't that happened yet? The only response I got was from Blake telling me that LUV would be hard to push. Like, what? This is the kind of shit that fucks with my head and makes me proceed with caution because I feel that this game has a lot of traps and that walking in any of them would probably make town lose.

[nomnomnom]

I'm just debating our courses of actions here, the solution I'm most content with and one I will not lose sleep at night over.

[nomnomnom]

Our paranoia....

Our paranoia..........

Our paranoia.............

[nomnomnom]

I will follow a LUV push.

What's with the sudden change of heart?

Can you read my posts please?

Trust me. I read them. But I get mixed messages.

[nomnomnom]

Actually you're right. I'd love to hear you talk more, Blake.

What's the course of action here, huh? What are your thoughts right now?

[nomnomnom]

i'd feel bad being wrong on blake and leading a wagon on her :/

[nomnomnom]

Do you ever go through this thing of reading statements in some games and they resonate through your head because you cannot make sense of them?

I have too many sentences like that this game.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter.
Cheeky.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter and Cheeky.

Skitter and Cheeky!

hahahaha!

[nomnomnom]

i mean you could try to lynch me, it should be amusing

*votes skitter*

Lol ok good luck with that.

VOTE: skitter

[nomnomnom]

Why isn’t Skitter scum?I’m here. I’m not as active as I used to be back in the day. At least not yet

Because we've been to hell and back building castles. I ain't letting her down now.

I wish we had a retweet button because of how touching that was.

[nomnomnom]

You're overthinking the game. It really is not that hard if you pay attention to what's going on and ignore the distractions.

I prefer to make the mod and the few spectators watching us right now laugh at my stupidity and my paranoia rather than not consider everything at least one, and lay my thoughts down there.

[nomnomnom]

This game is a headache.

There should have a big obvipus difference between the gamestate of a town that magically solved the game early D1 and the the gamestate of a town unwilling tp reconsider their reads while scum are perfectly fine with hpw the game is going.

It's alright, I figured it out for you.

Sheep me now and let me be your painkiller.

[nomnomnom]

The scumteam is Skitter and Cheeky.

[nomnomnom]

Do it now.

[nomnomnom]

I give up.

I'll get to you later Cheeky but otherwise I think I've said my piece.

Let me know when we're lynching scum.

You're free to vote LUV anytime, if that's what you believe in.

[nomnomnom]

Luv, give me more insight on your thought process, friend.

[nomnomnom]

Luv, give me more insight on your thought process, friend.

On what exactly?

Anything.

Let's have a talk about what's happening right now. You seem like the type of guy I'd drink a beer with, so I'll get one, you'll get one, and we'll calmly discuss all of this, yeah?

[nomnomnom]

Pretty sure skitter is a terrible lynch, or is nobody seeing what I'm seeing?

On what basis?

[nomnomnom]

Sigh.

Choose your battle now.

[nomnomnom]

You had so many battles to choose from, and this is the one you choose.

Welp.

[nomnomnom]

I had came down to the game state being a result of one of two things. Blake trying to play hero and will the game herself or scum. After multiple attempts to engage her on not only her read on me but just her play in general. I I’m firmly at the latter.

I came to think she was town because of this sense of her basically dipping out when she doesn't have complete control of the game or when she thinks that her slot doesn't have incidence on the game anymore (like when she's about to get lynched), and that's somewhat related to the only game I played with her. What's your opinion on that?

[nomnomnom]

You guys aren't gonna make it easy, are you?

[nomnomnom]

I'm a difficult person to deal with. I have a polarizing personality. I'll pursue what I believe in, even if that means making it harder for everyone.

With that said, completely unrelated but... the day I find a guy that can deal with my shit, he's probably a keeper.

[nomnomnom]

Aw I meant that in a game related way <3 I think you're great fun to play with.

You ain't gonna say that when I get your ass lynched tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

Lol but you won't get the chance gurrrl.

Audacious. I like it.

[nomnomnom]

As for Blake, I think it’s NAI. However if you’re constantly dipping out, the honorable thing to do is to just replace out. Like it’s not scummy to use emotions; it can be scummy to abuse emotions. Do you think she’s doing that here Nom?

It's hard to say. It could be both but, I predicted she would post something where she would feel defeated if I ever pushed Skitter, and that happened, so I basically am inside her mind right now. And if I managed to correctly predict what someone would do? I think this is more likely to be a townslot.

It's weird but that's what my gut tells me.

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest and say that I REALLY wish to avoid a saudade lynch today because it doesn't serve my personal PoE.

[nomnomnom]

I just don't want to talk to a brick wall, nom.

I am like you. I will stick to my guns. My job is not to try and convince you because I know it's a dead end and I would literally do the same thing as you are doing right now.
I want to collaborate with you, but I know it's hard because we have differing opinions, and my paranoia is getting in the way. I know what you want to do. You want me to calm down and go back to the easier LUV lynch. Because that's what you want.

Give me a partner for scum!LUV. Like, an actual case.

[nomnomnom]

LUV, how sure are you that Blake is scum? And how sure are you that Skitter is town?

[nomnomnom]

I don’t town read Skitter. I’d actually like to see more from her.

She went VLA, so that's going to be a problem.

[nomnomnom]

You seem to know her personally

[nomnomnom]

I actually think we need others to weigh-in.

Paging Mary Jo

I think this game is very simple. We just need other townies to understand the situation we currently are in, and we're set for a town victory.

[nomnomnom]

by the gods cheeky is exhausting

cheeky/skitter yes or no

[nomnomnom]

I wasn't kidding when I said I wasn't gonna try this game
but no post pinged me so far in 37 pages indicates that scum are competent players

how
just how

[nomnomnom]

Cheeky does seem to fos the weak players tho and buddy the high content skitter

so we DO see the same thing

Okay, that's a good sign

[nomnomnom]

@Cheeky why would you want to lynch this guy, he's funny as fuck lol

[nomnomnom]

iirc you didn't like maryjanes claim which is odd nomnom

Didn't like it at the time, no. Still have parasitic thoughts about it but I label that as unhealthy paranoia so you know

[nomnomnom]

I would prefer to not spell it out, unless Cheeky is okay with it. (Which his post may imply, surprisingly).

Go for it; im always dying this game anyways

Nom is prob town for scumreading that actually

I take it back.

THIS is where the game goes downhill.

[nomnomnom]

Me and cheeky are masons, we're always dying anyways so we haven't been trying ti hide it too much

Tdc is town for how he tried to approach that
I think nom is town for teamreading us

Now get your vote off of me @nom and find somewhere useful to vote, preferably in luv and creature, ty

I'll be back later

This is a joke right

[nomnomnom]

Allow me 10 minutes to laugh like a maniac out of nervosity.

[nomnomnom]

OH MY GOD ARE YOU JOKING

HAHAHAHAHA

[nomnomnom]

HOLY SHIT

[nomnomnom]

You guys are going to fucking kill me

[nomnomnom]

I can't believe it.

I'm fucking crying.

[nomnomnom]

I'll read through in more detail later but i'm p sure tdc is tow

Today'a lynchpool is luv/saudade/creature i think

Nom find a better vote before i do the death-tunnel thing

I'll be around later

dude it's not even been 10 minutes yet

lemme have my chillout laughter thing here

[nomnomnom]

Okay, I think I'm good. Hard to get over the actual reason cheeky has been tunneling on Saud since the beginning.

UNVOTE:

We should mass claim.

[nomnomnom]

No mass claim thank you.

We have 2 mason claims and a Miller claim, how much power can town have here

[nomnomnom]

No mass claim thank you.

We have 2 mason claims and a Miller claim, how much power can town have here

That’s not really a lot of power.

when the miller claim becomes a virtual named townie that's debatable

[nomnomnom]

I doubt you and Skitter are brazen enough to fake claim mason. Out of your scum range if you will Cheeky.

It's more that I don't see a scumteam making a claim like this when they're not even in danger. That or they believe that the danger is delta's observation somehow.

[nomnomnom]

I mean if the game is THAT easy...
VOTE: Saudade

[nomnomnom]

turbo me daddy

[nomnomnom]

Does someone have a remedy for paranoid thoughts I could clearly use some of it

[nomnomnom]

death

[nomnomnom]

To be honest at this rate either we get spectacularly unlucky or the masons are lying so this should be the easiest game of my life. Theorically.

[nomnomnom]

I doubt you and Skitter are brazen enough to fake claim mason. Out of your scum range if you will Cheeky.

It's more that I don't see a scumteam making a claim like this when they're not even in danger. That or they believe that the danger is delta's observation somehow.

Yeah that too.

The only case where they actually fakeclaim mason is when they correctly recognize that someone is reading them as masons.
That's the ONLY scenario where I think these guys are brave enough to do it.

[nomnomnom]

There's just... ONE thing that bothers me.

And that's actually a big problem.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter has the scum experience to do it.

Doing this fakeclaim requires correctly recognizing that dtc thinks they are mason, and actually follow on it. One question is if they'd be able to do this.

But that's not my problem.

[nomnomnom]

It would be overly stupid of scum to fake claim masons in a micro.

Really? We're really going to add more pointless pages of paranoia?

Fake claiming masons in a micro is really stupid because it always gets exposed before endgame and it outs both scum.

Not worth it.

Okay, so explain to me one thing.
They're both masons right? The scumpool is fairly obvious and they literally cannot lose. So tell me what the hesitation is coming from them. This should LITERALLY be an autowin whatever they pick.

[nomnomnom]

@Blake

VOTE: Creature

Fine come back crybaby.

VOTE: Saudade

I had an actual waiver of doubt there for a moment.

[nomnomnom]

Oh yeah Skitter doesn't buy my Saudade read :/ And she scumread some of my townreads.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeep. Here it is!

[nomnomnom]

No. I just proved to you how 2 scums can get away with fakeclaiming masons. Do the math.

[nomnomnom]

If there are 3 scums this game, again, this is a town autowin so what's the hold up

[nomnomnom]

gaaaaaaaaaaambiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[nomnomnom]

Give me a G!

[nomnomnom]

healthy skepticism

stay healthy friends

[nomnomnom]

I don't see how day talk masons would be compatible with only two scum.

Back in my days Masons never had day talk.

Again, legit, if you believe there are 3 scums this game we are literally wasting time since this is an auto win for town.

[nomnomnom]

Because scum have daytalk too, TDC. Town also probably has no real power other than the mason pair.

then what's the problem with massclaiming now

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[nomnomnom]

you know it's a real funny feeling when a game should actually auto solved but then everyone acts weird for no reason whatsoever and then everyone wonders why nobody is moving an inch

[nomnomnom]

I am out of the loop here, is day talking masons not considered super powerful nowadays?

it is but apparently to some people 2 claimed masons and a named townie isn't enough town power so you know i am at a loss of words here.

I probably look very fucking stupid now but I'm sleep deprived and I just about lost it mentally with the mason claims so yeah woooooo

[nomnomnom]

Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?

What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.

"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."

The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.

Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?

Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.

How the fuck should I know?

I don't know, common sense?

What changed here?

Absolutely nothing?

[nomnomnom]

Like at this point either masons are gambitting scums or we autowin unless you guys massively fucked up somewhere so ya knooow

[nomnomnom]

you know I'm starting to think this is a deep joke for daring to mock you all when i made a sarcastic joke about trusting saudade's mason claim

karmic system etc

[nomnomnom]

Why the rush Nom? Plenty of time and I think the more people form and voice opinions on the masons the better.

I'm just all over the place mentally right now. I probably should be sleeping yet here I am looking like a fucking imbecile in a micro. Welcome to my life.