Large Normal 221 - Endgame

[DeasVail]

Something doesn’t feel right

[LuckyOtter]

Is it... that you've been deathtunneling me all game and you're realizing that maybe you could have used your time and efforts differently?

[LuckyOtter]

I mean, I get that you think I'm scum, but have you thought through secondary cases once you find out you're wrong? Because the likely scenario here is that we lynch either me or Vork and the other gets vig'd. And if Vork flips green then you're going to need to decide if either it's just Nero, or if there's any reason to doubt our 'townbloc'

Because I really am not convinced you're scum, even though it seems more likely than Nero or a compromised townbloc at the moment.

[LuckyOtter]

I don't know how that emoji got there.

[Vorkuta]

DV > LO > NC > orfhz
Kirai somewhere in the middle (NC tier I guess)

I read how LO got run up yesterday and I thought it was going to flip red so *shrugs*

[LuckyOtter]

Alright, it's ParanoidOtter time.

Nom hard defending me even when they were one of the likely alternatives makes it pretty clear they were playing the long game. They were willing to get lynched if they were pretty sure they could secure a win at lylo. Part of that involves making me look bad, but that's really not good enough when we still have a vig shot. Nom thinks longer-term than that. I think there is a more than decent chance nom was creating a bunch of theater not just to implicate me but to clear someone else, and I think that would be ofrhz. I think maybe I was right on that one, and nom did everything possible to either clear themselves by bussing her (nom bussed Red, so not implausible) and hard pocket me for the win, or in the case that nom got lynched, make me look super bad and clear ofrhz.

And let's remember that almost all of D4 I was looking like the inevitable lynch. Plan A was obviously to get townpoints by defending me and then lynch off of my wagon after that. Which might explain why ofrhz stayed off my wagon, too.

[LuckyOtter]

I read how LO got run up yesterday and I thought it was going to flip red so *shrugs*

Um... ?

You're going to blanket vote without any explanation with one day left on the clock?

Idk I liked the past few pages
But fair enough

VOTE: otter
Tbh I have a nagging feeling that this flips green butg wtv

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 5.2

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(3)Kublai Khan,ofrhz,Nero Cain,

Not Voting(2)Kirari Momobami,LuckyOtter,

LuckyOtter(2)DeasVail,Vorkuta,

Kirari Momobami(0)

ofrhz(0)

Vorkuta(0)

Nero Cain

Gollum

(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2019-07-26 20:29:00).

No change.

[DeasVail]

Hold up, I’ve been thinking

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

but you were scum so you are claiming scum?

Lol this is a really funny post given the talk about 'signaling' on the part of the traitor

Ice cream goddess there's no way hws tries to "signal" he's scum to nero in a way only he would get right?

I’ll try to towncase Nero tonight

This is a prodge

[DeasVail]

VOTE: Kirari

It’s been nagging at me all day and I know it’s kind of illogical but the way that things have just been sitting like this has made me super uncomfortable.

But I keep thinking about Kirari’s play today.
The way they wanted to lynch Vork but don’t seem to care that it became me and Otter.
The way they set up a next day dichotomy between me and Nero as if they knew the game wouldn’t end today.
The way they seem to be trying not to make waves as if they know they’ve probably won the game and just need to ride it out.

I’m scared.

And when I looked through nom, there’s not that much ruling out svs. Kirari was hard on nom being scum, but nom was... surprisingly limp in response.

Idk I think I’m still getting lynche. But I’m worried about Kirari and maybe Otter is actually scum and this is silly paranoia but sonething’s not right.

[Kirari Momobami]

Literally all I care about is whether it is correct or incorrect to townlock Nero. I think it's funny that you're complaining about me micromanaging but then also complaining that I'm not saving you

I don't think attacking the solved townblock is protown rn tho

[Kirari Momobami]

I was kinda wondering whether it's actually correct to lynch/shoot vork before otter but there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest there, I mostly just think that vork has been playing a little bit more like last scum than town one lynch from winning. But I did like him trying to townlock otter, whereas you still seem kinda ok lynching anything and now you're circling back to the townblock rather than finding one more town out of the pool of 4.

[DeasVail]

Eh, I’ve been at L-1 for a while(?) now. I forget how long. I keep waking up expecting to be lynched!

Let’s face it, I’m not surviving today. But if the townblock is wrong, that’s a problem! Not one that I expect to be solved today, but I’m having doubts about Otter based on how they’ve played today and you honestly are the most concerning to me out of everyone else.

[Kirari Momobami]

Im mason

Why in the ever loving fuck would you claim that? just gonna let scum nk you and if they don't we'll just pl you if we haven't game solved yet.

Jesus show us the mafia please.

rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

I have a Townlean on Nero

GET. OFF. OF. ME. *pushes*

Are we like ending RVS now? Or is this a joke post of yours?

if not, why do you believe my 78 was serious?

Like I look at some stuff in nero's iso and am like, ehh could go either way

But like iso 27-31 I look at and am like, ehh this kinda doesn't look like s/s stuff...

And if iso 27-31 in nero's iso actually is readable as town, then the game is solved. If those posts are not correctly town indicative then we risk throwing this game to Nero.

If Nero is readable as town then we expunge everything outside the townblock and win, with preference for the actual scum only an issue for style points

[Kirari Momobami]

Eh, I’ve been at L-1 for a while(?) now. I forget how long. I keep waking up expecting to be lynched!

Let’s face it, I’m not surviving today. But if the townblock is wrong, that’s a problem! Not one that I expect to be solved today, but I’m having doubts about Otter based on how they’ve played today and you honestly are the most concerning to me out of everyone else.

Well I want the style points for lynching scum which is easier if vork spews homself town a bit more

But he keeps seeming out of sync which I'm thinking about

[Kirari Momobami]

I actually want vork to respond to that last post LO made...

Idk why you think I'm in a rush to lynch you if you and otter somehow is t/t I want to make sure the solve of vork over nero is correct

[Kirari Momobami]

It's also jarring that vork's content today is somehow better than Nero's.

Like if we were going just off today, I'd say Nero goes since everyone else seems more engaged. But Nero's early game is the hardest to see as s/s out of every candidate.

Vork's content overall is the most underwhelming but his content today is decently protown but I also want him to address inconsistencies.

Your content seems pretty wolfy through most of the game if Otter is town, but maybe you were just right?

Otter seemed pretty scummy until his push on red and his content as seemed better the longer the game goes.

[Vorkuta]

Also *inhales*
The game where nom and I were scum together against NC and co. just finished

Nom hard defending me even when they were one of the likely alternatives makes it pretty clear they were playing the long game

Yes- you could be the home-base

[LuckyOtter]

Yes it obviously looks that way, but my point is that when I flip and turn out to be the short stop (or something, I don't do sports analogies), you'll need to rethink what the play was.

[Kublai Khan]

Yes it obviously looks that way, but my point is that when I flip and turn out to be the short stop (or something, I don't do sports analogies), you'll need to rethink what the play was.

You don't sound confident that DeasVail will flip scum.

[LuckyOtter]

I really don't think lynching within the townbloc is an option today. But I do agree with DV that there may be scum in the townbloc, and I find it interesting that Kirari didn't say anything when I suggested it, but is now railing against DV for doing the same. To be fair, the difference is that DV is actually voting there, which again, I think is a bad move right now, but Kirari's reaction is kind of unsettling. Especially her claim that it is a "solved" townbloc. It's good enough for today but not for endgame.

Also, as KK pointed out, I need to die tonight. Taking me to lylo is not a good idea. That Kirari is considering it is also troubling. We need to stick to the plan of eliminating obvious solutions today/tonight, and if that doesn't work, y'all can sort out the rest tomorrow.

So we either lynch Vork or DV today and vig me, or lynch me and let KK decide who to vig.

And if Nero wants to show up and do something that'd be great too.

[LuckyOtter]

Yes it obviously looks that way, but my point is that when I flip and turn out to be the short stop (or something, I don't do sports analogies), you'll need to rethink what the play was.

You don't sound confident that DeasVail will flip scum.

I'm really not.

[Kublai Khan]

So we either lynch Vork or DV today and vig me, or lynch me and let KK decide who to vig.

The lynch DeasVail and vig LuckyOtter plan is already a go.

And if Nero wants to show up and do something that'd be great too.

Seriously.

[LuckyOtter]

I could just hammer before any scrambling happens. Does anything else need to be said today?