Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[jjh927]

I want to say that JJH still not having posted is indicative that he replaced into a scum slot.

-B

I want to say fuck this because you just made this beetlejuicing when it was really just me remembering I replaced into a game after waking up

And also nah

[jjh927]

Wait fuck me it's wednesday I thought it was tuesday

[jjh927]

Anyone you'd recommend isoing or should I just start from the beginning?

Also what horrible surprise have I got regarding my slot?

[jjh927]

Ha

[jjh927]

Last time I replaced into a ZZZX slot it was an unclaimed miller on day 3 but nice try

[jjh927]

I just isoed Chickadee and that doesn't look like scum to me.

Having mixed opinions about whether or not I should attempt to place deb in order to form opinions on other people

[jjh927]

Damn that there is a vote that makes little sense

Fight me

VOTE: Dannflor

[jjh927]

Explain where you're at on Egix at this precise moment in time

[jjh927]

jjh have you read the game?

Skimmed. Need to do a proper readthrough though

[jjh927]

jjh have you read the game?

Skimmed. Need to do a proper readthrough though

Why does my vote make no sense

Because at one point you were pushing Egix as likely scum pushing a counterwagon on my slot, and it doesn't make sense to vote me unless you've completely u-turned on Egix- which I surmised correctly that you have not

Still
UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

Yo Mastina you want to directly address me at some point?

I'd understand if you were paranoid and unsure of how to place me, or if you were trying something slightly more complex in order to place me, but what you appear to be doing with regards to me post replacing in seems a little opportunistic and non-committal. I do also get why you'd be non-committal here though, but that's the easy way

[jjh927]

Yo Mastina you want to directly address me at some point?

And

what

is there to address from you?

Doesn't really matter if there is anything. Talk to me about reads or some shit

I might make it easier and do a readslist today

[jjh927]

lol fuck this

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[jjh927]

-Believes a doctor enabler claim that got lynched
-Thinks we should massclaim day 2

I'd maybe give you either of those things in isolation, but not together, because their combination means you think we should out all the PRs when there's no protection for PRs

[jjh927]

"I wouldn't do that as scum" is fucking classic as a way to push nonsense that makes no sense from any coherent perspective

[jjh927]

What exactly is the narrative here?

[jjh927]

If you're saying that Dannflor and AA are scum together pulling a gambit then you need to rethink your life

[jjh927]

The mechanics for it would only make sense if they were also scum with deb, and planned out a hard bus with a fakeclaim

And then they'd make no sense at all when people start asking why that claimed doctor is still alive later down the line

[jjh927]

Why the fuck would anyone listen to boon when he's just doing that thing where he plays in a way that's pretty clearly anti-town and sits around saying "I wouldn't do that as scum". I really don't know why people accept this when his scumgame is to capitalise on the fact that people believe that shit

[jjh927]

Scum wouldn't fakeclaim doctor if there was a real doctor enabler because they'd have such a high chance of getting counterclaimed and realistically in a game like this we might have to lynch both claimers. The gambit goes nowhere.
Got no issue believing scum would fakeclaim doctor enabler, on the other hand.
So this only makes sense as a weird gambit if deb, Dannflor, and AA are all scum and that's dumb.

I think it's far easier to believe that Dannflor is a real doctor who protected AA, and deb was fakeclaiming. AA may or may not have been the nightkill, and I might be confbiasing somewhat but I think Boon's trashy push on AA here comes from scum!boon trying to lynch there after the nightkill failed because he thinks he can do it.

[jjh927]

The counterplay to scum!boon is to think for more than two minutes with your brain

[jjh927]

The hell is the play here then?

[jjh927]

Scumkill gets blocked by MYSTERIOUS OTHER THING that Boon wants to discover by massclaim, and AA must be scum for assuming they were the nightkill when a claimed doctor says they were his target?

Where is the rush?

[jjh927]

A bulletproof probably would have claimed right away and a roleblocker would have claimed with a guilty

You got any other sane options for the lack of kill?



Boon is talking shit like normal and I don't know who you are in that hydra but I want to think you're better than this

[jjh927]

Ayy Mastina

[jjh927]

Oh yeah, could anyone who likes to be considered sane but is also currently TRing Flavor Leaf make themselves known so we can have a short conversation with the intention of challenging one of those views

[jjh927]

I think anyone who is trying to place Boon on wifomy meta is kidding themselves.

Try to come up with actual reasoning behind actions and actually say that. 1249 is an indirect and less powerful version of "I think FL's push for massclaim comes from a genuine belief that it would be positive." Would you take that stance, or are you trying to say you think he's town without making a hard commitment?

[jjh927]

I think anyone who is trying to place Boon on wifomy meta is kidding themselves.

Try to come up with actual reasoning behind actions and actually say that. 1249 is an indirect and less powerful version of "I think FL's push for massclaim comes from a genuine belief that it would be positive." Would you take that stance, or are you trying to say you think he's town without making a hard commitment?

I think the last several posts by FL are significantly more likely to be town-indicative than anything he's posted so far this game, I don't buy that scum!FL has that type of attitude towards a game like this, especially in a world where DEB is also scum.

~ Poison Ivy

You say that right before he hamfistedly accuses everyone voting him of being scum

[jjh927]

I was also kinda expecting the "Whoopsy I didn't notice I was voting AA" at some point because the dumbtell was well set up

Just I'm pretty sure it's a faked dumbtell and if it wasn't I'd expect maybe some actual reflection on how his interactions with you might have contributed to people voting him aside from the whole massclaim bullshit in a fairly significant way

[jjh927]

Although on the other hand I probably shouldn't expect Boon to have awareness of his limitations like that?

[jjh927]

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Are you seriously back to doing wifom meta

[jjh927]

"How does this serve a scum agenda" is not how you place boon

[jjh927]

The guy does things as scum just to then say he wouldn't do them as scum

And accusing everyone on his wagon could well be out of both his playbooks
Hell, a lot of shit he does is out of both his playbooks which is why meta is so questionable here

But what I'm thinking is that something isn't adding up right in both his logic and the drive behind it and that's indicating to me that Boon is scum

[jjh927]

FTR I've played with scum!FL 3 times (1 being offsite and 1 that just finished where I was scum too) and never played with town!FL so admittedly I'm lacking perspective but I'm trying to do away with meta on this read

If he's town, convince me of genuine town motivation backing his statements somewhere

[jjh927]

jjh is town here with the way he's engaging

idk. I just bussed him in Krazy's game, and I think this could be scumjjh coming after townme

lol I was waiting for this exact discredit

[jjh927]

Oh my god 1293 is that the real "no u"

[jjh927]

I believe we're in to the thing where Boon takes quotes, responds to / misreps them, and then calls me scum / asserts himself as town

[jjh927]

@Mastina - if you're town here, you town read me when i was scum, and now you're scum reading me when I'm town. please see it

although that might be new

[jjh927]

Yeah ftr it's worth reading Krazy's anime upick to get a good idea of what my scumgame looks like atm when I have heaps of time

[jjh927]

Boon, you've had a very half-arsed stance on Chickadee

Elaborate on it for me

[jjh927]

Saying things about your meta does not make me believe them

Things you are aware of in your meta don't help me place you

[jjh927]

Boon, you've had a very half-arsed stance on Chickadee

Elaborate on it for me

i have no major read on Chick.

scum me'd be able to bs stuff like that in an instant, town me's just truthful

It's consistent but annoyingly so

[jjh927]

You haven't played with me without having knowledge of my alignment yet, boon

[jjh927]

You haven't played with me without having knowledge of my alignment yet, boon

ive modded you before, and ive played with you a lot when I thought you were just some bk randy dandy

I think I only played in one game you modded and I don't think it was a particularly shining example of my towngame

Intrigued to know when else you've played with me but I'm guessing it was on alts

[jjh927]

VOTE: Chemist

Yeah everything AA is saying feels right

Boon feels more obtuse and less obnoxious here which is decidedly different to the other 1v1s I have had with Boon

PEdit: Oi

[jjh927]

What exactly was that

[jjh927]

Pine, Chemist, Cheeky, chicks?

I could see this being a solve but only because deb was probably scum. Would be surprised to see 3 scum in that list even if that turns out to be wrong, since I'm still pretty sure Chickadee is town

[jjh927]

Your math is bad and you should feel bad. You just effectively called out five scum. Not sure if this is a Town thing to do or a scum thing though.

?

[jjh927]

Either your reading comprehension there is bad and you should feel bad, or you're choosing to misunderstand

[jjh927]

+DEB was probably scum
+I could see {Pine, Chemist, Cheeky, chicks} being a solve

Sooooo what am I misunderstanding about your numerical ineptitude?

You're assuming numerical ineptitude when I'm saying I could see lynching all of those people winning the game. 2 of them are scum

[jjh927]

Would be surprised to see 3 scum in that list even if that turns out to be wrong

What did you think this meant?

[jjh927]

Eh
VOTE: Pine

[jjh927]

AA is 100% locktown

[jjh927]

VOTE: Binary Star

[jjh927]

Yeah I mean I replaced into it without realising what it was

Don't think I'd have agreed to it if I'd seen it was a zzzx slot because of the last time

Also because the core concept of the game isn't my kind of thing

[jjh927]

ok I’m usually obtuse but why is binary a lynch target out of anyone

Because they're saying shit like this

Scum feel threatened by us.

while pushing the towniest slot in the game

They're a hydra so statistically you'd expect at least one of them to be sane and bring their slot back to reality wrt this whole thing but the fact BS' BS is still ongoing is unignorably suspicious

[jjh927]

Mastina is a bad lynch

Don't actually know if I can read her by play but I think she's town

Chickadee is also a bad lynch and I'd rather you don't do that

[jjh927]

Goddamn you're bad fl

[jjh927]

Actually that's even incomprehensibly bad because shit's not adding up

Boon, why isn't Dann basically conftown to you if you believe deb's doctor enabler claim

[jjh927]

You're being infuriatingly dense rn

[jjh927]

Me and AA are on the same page because AA has talked more sense than everyone else in the game combined

[jjh927]

I'm not sure it's worth arguing with Boon

[jjh927]

The whole Boon thing regarding the mastina wagon is wildly fallacious and I'm not entirely sure where he's pulled it from but it feels like the conclusions are arriving before the premises

[jjh927]

Why does he try to switch from Mastina as scum though?

[jjh927]

I feel like he's genuinely trying to solve the game, but doing a bad job of it. He's not consciously attempting to lead us all off a cliff

[jjh927]

I'll vote Chemist if you promise not to say surface level any more in this game

[jjh927]

If anything goes wrong, you lynch AA because it means they are scum. No exceptions.

Wtf is this

[jjh927]

Wtf is this whole plan tbh

[jjh927]

Wait, I have an idea.
What if we lynch Leaf and then I resurrect him? That would give him a chance to speak to Debbie right?

Why does this help

This uses up our lynch for no apparent gain

[jjh927]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I can't honestly say I would still definitely be voting here if he'd stopped saying surface level ngl.

[jjh927]

I don't think that's actually hammer though?

[jjh927]

There's no benefit to reaction testing with fake hammers in a flipless game anyway

[jjh927]

Posting to give away the pagetop

[jjh927]

Oh god

[jjh927]

Friendly fucking reminder that Flavor Leaf was pushing massclaim D2 and claimed VT

[jjh927]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

[jjh927]

Just to clarify, I was joking about the backup doctor enabler thing because that would be as dumb as this guilty

[jjh927]

VOTE: Binary Star

[jjh927]

If you want to say who you are then that's cool but otherwise I'm gonna make no effort to figure it out

[jjh927]

You fucking what

[jjh927]

I would like to suggest that whatever DEB and Boon are saying, you ignore entirely

[jjh927]

Sheep Dannflor

[jjh927]

I don't really get how anyone could not TR AA

[jjh927]

Slept through yesterday

Fixing my sleep pattern

[jjh927]

Dunno why you think I'm a PR, AA, but I'm afraid I am a VT

[jjh927]

Boon has role-related information.
Unsure whether to trust yet. Will determine before outing.
He asked me to pass on the message.
More to follow.

Don't listen to what Boon says

Dannflor should be the only sane voice in that dead thread

[jjh927]

I think we're missing something though?

[jjh927]

Typos from Jingle aside, the dead are supposed to be able to DIRECTLY affect the game

[jjh927]

Dude Dannflor was the nightkill of course he's fucking town

[jjh927]

I don't think it matters whether Boon is scum or town ngl

[jjh927]

If he's town, my best explanation for his play is that he's going completely nuts on the anti-town bullshit in order to back up his scumgame meta

[jjh927]

If you want to look at interactions between me and AA there were plenty a while back

[jjh927]

I was talking about Boon because we got on the topic and the guy drives me mad

[jjh927]

Shoulda probably considered a v/la here because I'm sorting out certain important aspects of my post-uni life

Will catch up on what I've missed in a day or two

[jjh927]

Right I'm reappearing now

[jjh927]

I'm not that surprised things haven't been moving much here tbh considering there is a large amount of overlap in POE so there's not much to argue about

[jjh927]

Chickadee kinda weirded me out a bit though

[jjh927]

Could everyone work on a POE list?

Sure.
Arkham Asylum, jjh, Egix, and Turin Turambar are town.
Given that, there's ~2 scum in {CheekyTeeky, Pine, Binary Star, Chemist, Chickadee}.
Given that we have two mislynches that's a 66% chance at victory at worst by my probably-horrifically-wrong mental math.

This list is kind of awful.
Your only town reads are [the most widely town-read megahydra slot], [someone who claimed a reviver type role], [our connection to the dead thread] (all widely townread), and jjh. Not that I have any reason to scum read jjh, but why is jjh in that list?

And your scum list is.......everyone else.

None of these tiers are in any particular order:

Never lynch

Arkham Asylum
Egix96
OSTENTATIOUS

Would not lynch today

Pine
jjh927

Less lynchable

mastina

More lynchable

Binary Star
CheekyTeeky
Chemist1422

I did ask for POE lists from people, so I figured I'd make mine. I still want a claim from Binary before doing anything vote-wise. It's the only claim we're missing.

If anyone is available to help sort through this, I would appreciate it. I had kind of a hard time finding reasons to place some of these peeple. Particularly chemist. I want to go take another look at that slot. I'm having trouble remembering anything from them, which makes me think they're sinking into the background.

These are basically the same lists but with more tiers

[jjh927]

Am I wrong though

[jjh927]

Your preferred lynches is basically the same except with slightly less preference for Mastina, while Mastina is giving reads for the sake of "If we lynch all of these people we will win the game"
You have basically got the same number of townreads because "Would not lynch today" is a bit vague and yet that's the first thing you criticised about Mastina's list

[jjh927]

In terms of poe, I don't think anyone's done a whole lot of changing reads since day 2 and I've been under the impression most people have been pretty much on the same page? I'm pretty sure BS is the only standout divergent opinion

[jjh927]

Although on the not standing out with reads front, I've been meaning to ask Cheeky why she's not hard scumreading me considering she did in Krazy's upick. Given that that was, in parts, a good approximation of my towngame, I think that ought to indicate a tendency to scumread my play in general.

[jjh927]

I mean, it's defo less reckless now than when she made it

[jjh927]

And even then it made pretty good sense

I still don't think I'd put you on it

[jjh927]

The dead thread has a fictional nightkill.

Er. Factional. The kill is very real.

What

Yeah, there are two things I don't get about that:
1. If the Graveyard have a factional kill, why have they (seemingly) not used it yet?
2. What's there to stop the scum from effectively using it as a second KP by just sniping @deadline?

1: they targeted AA who was saved by Dannflor.
2: nothing.

Actually, ought to ask:
That only covers one night
What happened the other night?

[jjh927]

Although on the not standing out with reads front, I've been meaning to ask Cheeky why she's not hard scumreading me considering she did in Krazy's upick. Given that that was, in parts, a good approximation of my towngame, I think that ought to indicate a tendency to scumread my play in general.

Or you could hammer and be lynched next gg.
I wouldn't mind a jjh lynch either tbh.

HMMMMM

You haven't mentioned me before. I wonder why you do it now

[jjh927]

Your final ghostcount was wrong

[jjh927]

Now we all go home

[jjh927]

I shat a brick at the end there

[jjh927]

Yeah but it was inevitable let's be honest

[jjh927]

That early AA wagon was literally just to get the wagon going on FakeGod as quickly as possible

[jjh927]

Yeah

[jjh927]

We were 3 goons and had no info

[jjh927]

Please release scumthread with no redactions

[jjh927]

Pine that wasn't about wifom at that point

[jjh927]

DEB did come up with that claim though

[jjh927]

We were 3 goons and had no info

I think you severely underestimate the amount of power flipless actually gives scum, FWIW.

Similarly, town underestimated the amount of power they had in both the ressurrectionist and the fact that scum couldn't shoot strong town players to shut them up.

Both groups had a crazy amount of power, it was just all non traditional dayplay power, not mechanical stuff.

Jingle there were 9 lynches in this game and use of the resurrectionist could have literally made winning impossible

[jjh927]

Do we only need me and DEB okaying the release of the scum PT?

[jjh927]

FakeGod never posted in it

[jjh927]

The dead thread was indeed where most of the game happened

[jjh927]

but only because you can divide the game into Before Gambit and After Gambit

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

You did great, FG

[jjh927]

I take it you read that message I left for you on that pagetop, then did your thing, then forgot about the game for the next 48 hours?

[jjh927]

I said as much in the scum PT, Mastina

[jjh927]

Most people's stances were very predictable and I knew who I was able to influence by amping up paranoia, but from the second you started posting the scales were tipped

[jjh927]

Ftr that's the actual thing I was doing

Wifom mostly just induces confbias because it can be interpreted however, whereas what I was doing was inducing paranoia and giving you shit to think about

[jjh927]

Oh Dannflor foiled my final gambit btw

[jjh927]

I was gonna get the deadline wrong by an hour

[jjh927]

I feel like Jingle might have held off on the votecount if it hadn't been pointed out tbh

[jjh927]

The funny thing is I actually am

[jjh927]

My "do the gambit" alarm went off an hour early because I set it 2 hours before deadline by mistake

[jjh927]

I just realised it was wrong because I was counting down the hours in the scum PT and 1 doesn't usually follow 3 when you're counting down

[jjh927]

Oh yeah fun fact:

I only replaced into this because Jingle asked on sitechat and I didn't check any of the details

[jjh927]

I've replaced into a zzzx slot before and it was an unclaimed miller on day 3

[jjh927]

I mean

[jjh927]

I also wouldn't randomly replace into a game due to just anyone asking on sitechat

[jjh927]

I might have joined with the invite, but I was already playing a scumgame when I got it

[jjh927]

I really enjoy games with interesting mechanics. So it was a solid game for me.

With that said though, this is like the 8th game in a row I have rolled Vanilla Townie....and it drives me crazy. I think the last game I didn't roll VT was a role madness game.....

Kenshi Mafia is coming very soon

The idea of a VT will be a foreign concept

[jjh927]

DON'T READ THE DEAD THREAD

Some of you,

everyone other than Pine/Mastina

may not want to read the venge/spec thread.

Do I want to read it

[jjh927]

It can't have been that much of a shitfest

[jjh927]

Did you not enjoy my memeing

[jjh927]

There's a whole page in that scumthread of me

[jjh927]

FUCK I FORGOT

[jjh927]

I ALMOST CLAIMED BACKUP DOCTOR ENABLER FOR MEMES

[jjh927]

Actually it came down to Egix in the end

[jjh927]

If Egix had shifted I'm pretty sure either Mastina or Pine would have unvoted at least

And even if they didn't, we wouldn't have been able to snipe in the end because DEB couldn't make the deadline

[jjh927]

Oh, and Nancy; you can talk all you want, but you gotta remember a couple of important things:

You had privileged information, and I wasn't tailoring posts in the dead thread you weren't part of to convince your hydra. I was playing specific angles for specific people

[jjh927]

An astute observer would note that the only people who were steadfast on the FakeGod lynch were. . . the two players who weren't present for the original gambit, as well as informed spectators

[jjh927]

Have you read the scum PT yet

[jjh927]

It's got two bonus memes in it

[jjh927]

Kodak moment is for posts that have a dramatic effect on the game and make it more fun

[jjh927]

Well, I kinda don't think it's you Ost, although given the dead thread vig I guess you're not essential to town power so you're not really town off setup spec anymore.

Ank is arguing Chicka is town... now the problem here is that we know that Deb was bussing day 1, since he bussed himself!

but 708 is kinda not s/s, ank is right there -- I personally still dislike 238, though

also personally didn't love the hammer

cheeky is tricky -- according to your story, scum gambited on a mastina kill to save cheeky. but 2 scum would be dead, which means that if cheeky was last scum, then dead thread would vig cheeky tonight. This seems to imply that cheeky probably is not the last scum? although speculating based on the dead thread is rough when we do not have access to it

I personally would have gone pine-->chicka but ank seems pretty strong on chicka town. So if you want to talk about that, sure, but I think Pine should usually be the lynch here because he is the last scum

-kat

Hey let's remind everyone about this post

[jjh927]

What do you want to remind people of jjh?

Basically that I could probably have done something more tailored to manipulating your hydra if circumstances required it

[jjh927]

An astute observer would note that the only people who were steadfast on the FakeGod lynch were. . . the two players who weren't present for the original gambit, as well as informed spectators

[jjh927]

Egix's stance didn't seem very firm either fwiw

[jjh927]

I'm pretty sure if either Pine or Mastina just hadn't been there, OR if Chemist had showed up, game would have gone differently

[jjh927]

You're right that it was pivotal but I think it was more of a culmination of things at that point

Not to detract from Egix's play there, of course

[jjh927]

my point isn't you being bad duckling

my point is that the privileged information worked both ways, this is a big reason why I wanted mastina's thoughts from the dead thread because she knows better than anyone else in there what would've been useful to me

it's really just unfortunate that she happened to go on v/la

You'd have got fuck all useful shit though?

[jjh927]

All the stuff that your influence could have done anything to happened after the Pine lynch. This was on purpose

[jjh927]

Oh that wasn't something we really had a choice in

[jjh927]

I didn't influence the N1 kill at all, but it got blocked

that would be the one opportunity to kill you, however, as there were 3 PRs that were never getting lynched

[jjh927]

and I sure as hell wasn't gonna lynch you while I was alive

[jjh927]

Yeah uuuh lylo except nobody in lylo is involved and it's plurality with a 48 hour deadline and no hammers

[jjh927]

I'm pretty sure if either Pine or Mastina just hadn't been there, OR if Chemist had showed up, game would have gone differently

did I win town the game by being lazy?

Possibly a little? If you'd showed up at the right/wrong time, you'd probably have sheeped Dannflor and Ost, and brought town down a road from which they would not have recovered

[jjh927]

that would be the one opportunity to kill you, however, as there were 3 PRs that were never getting lynched

I was really hoping they'd lynch OST after you shot him. It would've been the memey-ist ending possible.

Would the game have ended thhough? and yeah that would have been hillarious.

Yeah we submitted that kill on Chickadee JUST IN CASE

[jjh927]

scum wincon was 50% of votes in the thread

Ghostkilling ost would have been like no lynching in lylo

[jjh927]

I think the issue here is the implications you perceive from tw being wrong

[jjh927]

Reading someone wrong is neither evidence of incompetence of the reader nor an attack on that readee's ability to play as town

[jjh927]

Situation was very high pressure and aspects of it had been orchestrated to maximise paranoia and the chances of making mistakes

[jjh927]

If I'm honest, TW and Dannflor were the main people I was trying to manipulate, too, because I figured Egix and BS would follow and Boon would be Boon and that makes 5

[jjh927]

If I'm honest, TW and Dannflor were the main people I was trying to manipulate, too, because I figured Egix and Chemist would follow and Boon would be Boon and BS was absent but voting AA and that makes 5

ebwop

[jjh927]

You got frustrated because you felt like you deserved the win and you almost didn't get it

[jjh927]

I wonder what would have happened if I'd claimed backup doctor enabler

[jjh927]

Also is that the enabler of the backup doctor or a backup of the doctor enabler? I guess we'll never know

[jjh927]

What does an enabler enabler do

[jjh927]

Okay but is the backup enabler enabler the enabler of the backup enabler or the backup of the enabler enabler

[jjh927]

Wait it would only reasonably be the other way around

if it enabled the backup enabler then everything would just shut down instantly if you shot the enabler enabler and there'd be no funny interactions

[jjh927]

If it was a backup of the enabler enabler then the order in which they were killed would matter

[jjh927]

unless you'd argue that the very moment that the enabler enabler is killed, the backup enabler enabler would no longer function and thus would not be able to become the new enabler enabler, but I'd say that's a design choice

[jjh927]

I mean you could have a backup enabler and a backup enabler in the same game

One of them enables backups and one of them takes on the role of the first enabler to die

[jjh927]

I feel like there could exist a marathon game with a load of roles that are random permutations of backup and enabler but wincons and the actual mechanical purpose behind the game would have to be devised

[jjh927]

I think I have the dump marathon


Everyone is some combination of backups, enablers, and scum

at least one player is scum

If you backup the scum you become scum

So like, if you were to figure out that the scum was the backup backup enabler enabler, and you lynched the backup backup backup enabler enabler enabler first, then the backup backup backup enabler enabler would never become scum and town would win

[jjh927]

Let's just replace VTs with Vote Enablers and if all of them die then nobody can vote

[jjh927]

Yeah but they can think they have power roles

[jjh927]

Also, calling VTs Vote Enablers is just a memey thing to do

[jjh927]

Let's start a trend

[jjh927]

What would a good modifier be if you were just having one? Self-Limited Vote Enabler?

[jjh927]

Oh shit you could enable some more abstract shit like self votes

[jjh927]

Tuesday Enabler- when you die the game thread will be locked on Tuesdays

[jjh927]

The dead thread was the most paranoid place in the game and I don't think anyone is disputing that

[jjh927]

Before I go to bed, can I just ask for any fools who fell for the perfect combination of offense and defense, the thunder cross split attack, to make themselves known

[jjh927]

thank you