Grandest Idea Mafia: Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

[Gamma Emerald]

It was one of my choices and I took it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

I'm not sure how that works.

Can you also detail what "4 scums" mean here?

The only scum in the game will be a 4 man scumteam. Everyone else is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Gamma’s lying just because I got mod-chosen as my alignment and the only logical interaction with Gamma’s role forbids that

They can function together. What happens is all scum in the game get mashed into 1 team and then numbers are balanced to reach the determined split. So when the mod chooses your alignment it will be either town or groupscum (fyi my role didn't say WHICH faction the scum would be nominally)

[Gamma Emerald]

Rayyyy I get to play with Ranic! It's nice to have a friend to play with, I ruv redgerogs!

Can you please post a translation, I don't play mafia so I can deal with a typing quirk that would be at home in Homestuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

I'm not sure how that works.

Can you also detail what "4 scums" mean here?

The only scum in the game will be a 4 man scumteam. Everyone else is town.

You’re boring

cool

I think Gamma’s lying just because I got mod-chosen as my alignment and the only logical interaction with Gamma’s role forbids that

They can function together. What happens is all scum in the game get mashed into 1 team and then numbers are balanced to reach the determined split. So when the mod chooses your alignment it will be either town or groupscum (fyi my role didn't say WHICH faction the scum would be nominally)

Then what happens to self-aligned roles?

I assume they get counted as scum based on wording but if you're interested I can ask

[Gamma Emerald]

Rayyyy I get to play with Ranic! It's nice to have a friend to play with, I ruv redgerogs!

Can you please post a translation, I don't play mafia so I can deal with a typing quirk that would be at home in Homestuck

Not gonna lie I really wanted to respond to this with a character’s quirk but decided not to

To me or Scooby?

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe the number post for my role is 2096
My other choices were Chocolate Townie or Pirate Doctor for cards, and the alignment of my role card was town

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I like certainty and it's like the ultimate troll to Ircher's balance methods

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait, I'm just dumb and I misunderstood what GE was saying.
My role claims are true, and I've asked Ircher about the weird interaction my pick creates.

What are these interactions?

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to be read by play this game, however that may turn out

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

What's the role called?

Still need this, btw?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok? Not sure how to feel about that tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Also fuck it, I'll just explain what happened now and risk taking the NK from my wolf partners if they exist:

I asked Ircher what'd happen since I took town-alignment and wolf ability. I was told that I would be given the abilities as if I was a wolf, and the other wolves, (if they exist), would be told I'm actually a wolf, but I'm not. I also asked if that'd mean I can just out who the wolves are, and get away with that, which Ircher said I technically can, but it'd be in the gray area of gamethrowing, so I shouldn't. However, my wolf partners are allowed to safely NK me and not have it be considered gamethrowing considering I'm a town-aligned.

So like a traitor but town aligned?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess not
I kinda distrust Korina's claim here, is it just me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm more concerned he's essentially claiming Miller here

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna try to shitpost most of this game, even though I picked wolf alignment and got town alignment.
When I realized that I claimed I had two scum, one town, I knew I couldn't throw away the townie because then I get outted, so I picked wolf alignment and town ability and made up that interaction just to throw people off. I was also hoping when I got wolf alignment, and saw I had a partner, explain to them I'm trying to play the game like a jester so I can get away with most of the game and get ignored.

VOTE: GE

Knew this was coming
VOTE: Korina

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, should I claim the role interaction that I thought would be op?

If you're not scared of being shot by the stump, sure.

I didn't actually take it cause it's blacklisted. It was Town Traitor, which I thought ought to tell me who the entire town was. Apparently it's blacklisted because nobody can figure out how the role actually ought to work.

The fuck??? Like,

I

figured out how to work Town Traitor, Ircher wtf

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, should I claim the role interaction that I thought would be op?

If you're not scared of being shot by the stump, sure.

I didn't actually take it cause it's blacklisted. It was Town Traitor, which I thought ought to tell me who the entire town was. Apparently it's blacklisted because nobody can figure out how the role actually ought to work.

The fuck??? Like,

I

figured out how to work Town Traitor, Ircher wtf

lol

@mod what was your reaction when two people independently tried to break the game in the same way?

Do you think I got that??? It was from a Grandest Idea I modded.

[Gamma Emerald]

Or it's a troll role

[Gamma Emerald]

I absolutely can shoot though and anyone that is too useful gets shot. SHOT!!

i also picked "moderator chosen alignment" for my alignment so it also sucks that the moderator chose that i had to do this

I'd say blame me but it seems more people picked scum so I guess don't

[Gamma Emerald]

Omg yes we need to deal with rad guys, always acting so cool and hip

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok guys, let's get this game going.
Umm firstly, there is something that has been bugging my mind, a thing I don't understand. Why did mod reveal only 1 role we discarded? You know, I'n pretty sure everyone discarded 2 roles or at least I did, but somehow, moderator revealed only 1 role that we discarded. You know, I don't understand.

Secondly, I don't understand what did Korina claim. Did he claim town? Did he claim wolf? I, I really don't have an idea. That guy also said he's going to be shitposting, you know? That can't be a good thing. Now, umm, I am going to read the pages after page 6.

Korina is claiming that she is with the wolves (as in, in the PT and can do the kill) but town aligned, which is really skeevy since it provides a good cover to a couple guilties.

[Gamma Emerald]

im hardclaiming my role rn.
i'm town unsafe vault loved storer.

i would post my ability, but its almost 4am, i queued up a game of town of salem, didn't realize i was playing ranked practice, got jester, claimed survivor and somehow lived till n6, and had an encounter with the jailor

i really expect myself to somehow fuck that up

That's not what I recall you saying unless that was alignment only

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok then

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok no need for photographic evidence I just said the wrong word

Also I think I understand the claim dealie too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well at least the shot is gone

[Gamma Emerald]

I picked Mafia Encryptor and got town encryptor so I feel your pain...

You gonna talk about something besides this?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

independent read on tone.

Hmmm
VOTE: chennisden
Call it OMGUS but this plus what Vijarada posted after gives me the feeling scum decided to hone in on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Or the Vijarada post can just be flat out spam

[Gamma Emerald]

why are we voting gamma?

Why aren't you asking these questions before acting?

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting, but the fact you called it out makes it not a good idea to push unless we want to drink the wine

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm single and kidless but thanks for asking.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cheney scum
LDO town
FlipNips town
That's everything at the moment, don't feel like BSing a full list currently

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma has a roleclaim we need to check sooner rather than later, and no one has claimed role cop yet

Are we massclaiming?

um no, but that doesn't mean gamma didn't claim

if there's a rolecop, should they claim?

I'm not sure, probably not today (because it would be NKed hard) but this is something I'm gonna need to do in case Gamma is town

VOTE: chennisden

?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: chennisden
Wasn't the role Gamma claimed a town role? Is my mind tricking me?

The role could also be "reroll but opposite alignment", that's part of why I chose what I did, to get a feel for how my play reads and where I might improve.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also after being reminded if the certainty of 321 I am inclined to
VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

[Gamma Emerald]

its not like I hammered you & went oh ho ho wait a gosh dang diddly minute here. why is gamma dying?

Comedy isn't a valid answer imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Still not valid Not really seeing a clear town perspective for your actions from you currently.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum care less about voting in a sense, they generally don't care as long as it's not them.

[Gamma Emerald]

?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have an idea of what he might be if so, in which case while it doesn't change my current opinion it makes it worthwhile to give him some time to do things

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol

[Gamma Emerald]

right??? which idiot designed this role

Want me to check

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not gonna make a big deal of the outcome but I'm gonna be trying this game

[Gamma Emerald]

chen's whole iso is just him trying to get lynched.

he's scum pretending to be a jester

next level play

why are you protecting him?

occam's razor says scum wouldn't be that obvious, but a jester would.

That's a very naive mindset

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh ok, but I don't like assuming the most simple or the most complex or most anything option. One of my homesite friends described me as not particularly weak to WiFoM tactics so ever since then I try to think on every level, not any level. So to say "occam's razor says..." tells me lazy logic is afoot and I should step in.

[Gamma Emerald]

Arc feels kinda stilted

[Gamma Emerald]

-stitled- oh my whatever do you mean

I dont sense any real drive from you. And in response to your last post I'd you're town you're part of the problem I feel.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah arcfield is a bad vote

No wait wait
I want to see what happens

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: arcfield

I think this is a good vote

it is

why I think arcfield is a bad vote

What because Vijarada said otherwise? WiFoM is a thing, and I am surprised I've had to explain that to two people who I know have some experience.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I think we can kill Emp now
I wanted to give him a chance to do things but besides pushing his counter wagon I dont recall much from him

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

still worth the info

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Be reminded I claimed my info before I got my alignment. So lynching me to "confirm my role" is pretty damn stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

Be reminded I claimed my info before I got my alignment. So lynching me to "confirm my role" is pretty damn stupid.

okay let's vote scum then

VOTE: Larry David Official

I think some people wanted a claim from Emp before a lynch.

Is this only for the hammer?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, well I was among the ones waiting and I was fine with a hammer then.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Arcfield
Holy yikes

[Gamma Emerald]

I felt Arcfield was shady D1 and was talked out of it, not today Satan

[Gamma Emerald]

I felt Arcfield was shady D1 and was talked out of it, not today Satan

I'm shady? How so?

The way you were posting didn't feel organic, I put it as "stilted" before. I think you are having clear trouble faking natural towny thought based on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I felt Arcfield was shady D1 and was talked out of it, not today Satan

I'm shady? How so?

The way you were posting didn't feel organic, I put it as "stilted" before. I think you are having clear trouble faking natural towny thought based on that.

I'll tell you right now, i'm Town. I might seem scummy though, because i'm not very experienced.

Really convincing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who would like protection from lynch today? Make your case.

Who the fuck cares

[Gamma Emerald]

Except scum ofc

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't say much rn, I didn't have wifi until now so I missed n1, sorry. LDO needs rope for that hammer. He was scummy yesterday, and that just solidified my read. VOTE: LDO

Tell me what was scummy from yday then

[Gamma Emerald]

I assume you have a role that give you that power? Why are you selling off your ability like this? Scum have a lot more to lose by getting lynched, not town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Quick Arcfield scumcase

Gonna admit this, I was hoping for a Pirate or Alien role. Didn't even get a single scum role.

This is kinda pingy and weird, and honestly I get the feeling this is just fake, logic below

VOTE: TemporalLich

Can I ask you why you discarded your BP card

Roles without Night Actions (1-Shot Bulletproof + Vanilla Townie) are pretty boring.

You said you had two interesting roles though?

Changed my mind about BP

This doesn't make sense to me; if you think purely passive roles are uninteresting why is BP an exception? This makes me think you might not have been planning to discard the BP card initially.

It says Nomnom was a Town Honorable Day Vigilante.

what in the fuq is dat

This doesn't feel like town questioning, it seem too aloof, like they don't really care how good a role it is. Imo town might be a bit more invested about an interesting looking town PR dying.

I'm confused as to why we went from Emps to me, when the very person we're trying to kill started the vote.

This is a crappy attempt to cut off the wagon attempt at the knees by discrediting the founding of it, and this post is why I wanted to go here today, as with empnips flipping town this can be looked at in new light.

Be reminded I claimed my info before I got my alignment. So lynching me to "confirm my role" is pretty damn stupid.

okay let's vote scum then

VOTE: Larry David Official

I think some people wanted a claim from Emp before a lynch.

Is this only for the hammer?

yep

Might as well then...
VOTE: Larry David Official

This vote just sucks. No thought to it, uses generally acceptable logic of pressuring a hammer, and takes 0 accountability.

I felt Arcfield was shady D1 and was talked out of it, not today Satan

I'm shady? How so?

The way you were posting didn't feel organic, I put it as "stilted" before. I think you are having clear trouble faking natural towny thought based on that.

I'll tell you right now, i'm Town. I might seem scummy though, because i'm not very experienced.

I was gonna comment on this as an aside but this post actually is connected to what I want to say: most if not all of Arcfield's D1 posts feel very sloppy which is what generated the stilted assessment. Looking at the full ISO I notice Day 2 this kinda got left behind. The mention of inexperience makes me think Arcfield may have received some pointer during the night that made them post more precise. What thus means is post length didn't change but the way the posts are written did. Fyi I don't care for any day talk counterpoints because either way a shift happened and even when scum have day talk the night phase is a good time to regroup and help someone who might be suffering when it comes to not sticking out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ico pls read and acknowledge you have read my case on Arcfield

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there more to that scumread or is it mostly just the sudden TL push?

[Gamma Emerald]

Either way it's not a bad read imo

[Gamma Emerald]

RI ragree, what info could killing Ramma give us exactly?
VOTE: TemporalRich

to confirm or deny the role claim in 5

What about the point made by Chemist?

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn't nullify the point and the fact you are dancing around it makes you look worse

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TemporalLich
Active scum is a better lynch than inactive scum imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Arcfield isn't very active rn, tf you saying

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes no sense with how you voted me for "information". Again, I claimed that before it finalized, because I wanted it to not impact how people perceived me. So honestly the fact you want to lynch me for "information" here is a slap to the face if you're town, and it's a shoddy excuse to swing a mislynch on me as scum. My current leaning is that you're scum because it your vote on me today doesn't line up with your defense on any level imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not scum, and like I said before, I usually don't end up posting when I have nothing to say. I'll try to be more active, but i'm not gonna have much to say and will probably end up just shitposting.

I'll give you a place to start: what's your current read list?

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not a list that's one read
Also why mention your role?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I don't see how that contributed to your post
Anyway, can you at least work on a list if you don't already have one?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry, things in games have just taken my motivation out of mafia.

Okay? What are you gonna do about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok ur just tired

[Gamma Emerald]

Imo look over people not really looked at yet
That's all I got

[Gamma Emerald]

newbscum is usually overeager

Newb town is also overeager wtf

[Gamma Emerald]

As a newbie I got rly bored when I rolled town

Bruh my first game here was a town game and I was super excited

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw both of you

This is a meme/troll game and nobody is taking it seriously

Scum are in some obvious places and are doing some things that they would be called out for normally

They shouldn't be hard to find.

Wrong
I said I wouldn't take this game seriously but I lied

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm on page 19 rn and I don't like TL or Gamma. I'll get to the why when I've finished. Arc is town AF tho.

Pedit: fucking explain your Arc read my dude.

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

(Realising now ordering disguises in my reads list- Gamma is my single hardest townread atm)

PEdit: Oh hey speaking of. You still standing by the anti-Arc wall from earlier?

Yeah I still stand by my Arc scumread and scumcase

[Gamma Emerald]

Your Arc case isn't even mutually exclusive with TL being scum

They've had some terribad interactions

And I scumread both

[Gamma Emerald]

@coldhearted no Arcfield is not town.

[Gamma Emerald]

There us nothing in that ISO I quoted that could possibly give a strong indication of bring town. So imo if you're not scum you're not just wrong, you're also stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

If I townread gamma and Lich is scum, doesn't that mean Gamma is scum?

Nice try scumfuck, but no.

[Gamma Emerald]

Most of your case is "gut" with wishy-washy language about how you think a townie should play v how Arc is playing. Your strongest point, that he seems coached, relies heavily on who their teammates might be. But, again, that's almost entirely baseless as well. I could throw the "you're stupid" thing right back at you for it but I respect general rule 1a my dude.

pedit: fucking what

pedit 2: Yo Arc, give us reads.

Mafia Treestump = prime coaching chance. Your only power is to talk, of course you're gonna fucking use it.

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

Most of your case is "gut" with wishy-washy language about how you think a townie should play v how Arc is playing. Your strongest point, that he seems coached, relies heavily on who their teammates might be. But, again, that's almost entirely baseless as well. I could throw the "you're stupid" thing right back at you for it but I respect general rule 1a my dude.

pedit: fucking what

pedit 2: Yo Arc, give us reads.

Mafia Treestump = prime coaching chance. Your only power is to talk, of course you're gonna fucking use it.

Honestly forgot Vij was in the game

But Arc doesn't

play

coached right now. I still think they're scum, though.

It's not an active coaching, but the shift I saw between D1 and D2 give me a sense he got lectured during the night phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

Most of your case is "gut" with wishy-washy language about how you think a townie should play v how Arc is playing. Your strongest point, that he seems coached, relies heavily on who their teammates might be. But, again, that's almost entirely baseless as well. I could throw the "you're stupid" thing right back at you for it but I respect general rule 1a my dude.

pedit: fucking what

pedit 2: Yo Arc, give us reads.

Mafia Treestump = prime coaching chance. Your only power is to talk, of course you're gonna fucking use it.

Honestly forgot Vij was in the game

But Arc doesn't

play

coached right now. I still think they're scum, though.

It's not an active coaching, but the shift I saw between D1 and D2 give me a sense he got lectured during the night phase.

My "lecturing" actually came from you guys during D1. I was reading it over and figured "I should probably try more."
That probably sounds like shit, but it's the straight truth.

And yet you haven't put in an extra ounce of effort as I see it. I call BS

[Gamma Emerald]

I am a Town Encryptor - the Mafia PT stays open during Day when I am alive.

In my wall I stated the theory was still valid in the case of day talk
I'm certain I'm not the only who uses night as "regroup and plan the next day" time even when day talk is in play. I actually got really upset in an MU game because the thread was open the whole game so I couldn't use that time like I wanted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay Arcfield

Reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you flip town we get to re-evaluate

If arc flips town nothing really happens and you die tomorrow anyways.

This is smart
But I also want TL lynched now because they're more active and imo could weasel their way out of the lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
But there's two things, TL is more present and able to counter argue, and their posting style is one I perceive as better at debating than Arcfield's.

[Gamma Emerald]

They already claimed chocolate iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

You...are aware he could be scum with that role?

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree about Arc needing to post reads, but even then it has to be good after being asked a dozen times

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe the number post for my role is 2096
My other choices were Chocolate Townie or Pirate Doctor for cards, and the alignment of my role card was town

For

reasons

I think your Cowbells quote is trash and baseless.

Their claim is safe AF and I don't believe it for a second.

The fuck????????

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I'll give a controversial opinion

I don't want an entire readlist necessarily because I don't care about shitty/forgettable reads that will be thrown to the side

I want two or three good reads

IMO the people Arcfield chooses is more telling than the reads Arcfield gives.

UNVOTE: TL - as to prevent a quick hammer.

I want like 5 solid reads out of Arc

[Gamma Emerald]

To cut off discussion

but I want arc's readlist

Actually at this point this is possibly a cover for himself since Arc has been dodging this demand so far
Don't stall the TL lynch so Arc may or may not give reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh how is this "Cowbells quote" in anyway relevant
They're not in this game iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh that's what that meant
Thanks.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay Arcfield

Reads?

I don't have much, and they probably don't make sense since i'm not good at this (

why

am I even trying?) But:

Persivul is kinda quiet, don't know what to say about that.
geometry is town, pretty solid claim and the activity is undeniable.
Coldhearted is kind of leaning toward scum, arguement with Gamma going off of gut doesn't make any sense to me considering how good his case on me (despite it being wrong) is.

lol, I know these are absolute garbage but give me a break. I've never really had to make any big-time posts so excuse me.

This is a decent start
Hammers away on TL

[Gamma Emerald]

(someone better make the proper joke when they hammer)

[Gamma Emerald]

cold take: i don't think cold is bussing

to bus, you have to be scum

if I'm town and cold is bussing me, why would I be scum now?

#putyourfootinyournouth

[Gamma Emerald]

arcfield is trying to bus me though

Town don't get busted. Scum do.
I take it back TL clearly does not have the skills needed to talk themselves out if a lynch as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bussed not busted. Humorous typo though.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you flip town what makes you think anyone on your wagon is getting town points? Like nothing you're saying makes sense as something a townie would say, so this is a MASSIVE perspective slip on your part.
God I wish I was the mafia treestump.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not letting you fucking say "lol jk" and get away with PERSPECTIVE SLIPPING

[Gamma Emerald]

I really dislike the mindset where something like that comes from, both the OMGUS and the 'bus' story.
But you were already wagoned before that, without any kind of half-decent reason.

Why can't scum be easy to wagon? Why wouldn't TL's actual scum partners bus him?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's important because of the sequence of events.

The wagon was formed and pushed to L-2 or L-1,

then the case was made

by gamma. If TL slipped like that and a wagon piled

because of that

, I wouldn't see a problem. But that's not what happend. The case happened

because of the wagon

And while sure, wagons are to put pressure, I don't like how easy it got there

So because someone scumslips at L-1 it doesn't count? That's absolutely malarkey.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

still worth the info

What

So this is 1 of the posts. In short, TL is scum for wanting an information lynch.

Right here, we see Phillamon wanting to lynch TL because

Arc flip doesnt give a whole lot of associative information

, is all. I'd be hugely on board with an arc lynch to get scum off the board, but it leaves us with less to go on from there. TL looks (or rather looked, see below) like a good lynch that has good odds of hitting scum and regardless of what they flip,

gives us a bunch of information.

This said: stall out at L-1 makes me think that either all the (active) scum is already on the wagon if TL is scum, or if TL is townie they are conspicuously staying off to garner towncred.

PEdit: Arclynch is still fine in my book, aye.

So TL is a good lynch because it gives information, but TL is also scum because he wants a lynch that gives the most information. See my issue with this wagon?
I don't scumread gamma for the push, I question the wagon in it's entirety for sheeping this.

The issue is the TYPE of information. My lynch was proposed to gain

setup

information, whilst TL's lynch would gain

associative

information.

[Gamma Emerald]

I do not understand why I'm not getting PEdits: I managed to miss that claim, but Persivul is already a prime scumread for me, and showing up to

JUST

kidnap and... not post anything, while on V/LA, is... I was going to say extremely scummy, but this is super setting off my WIFOM-dar

What's WIFOM about it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I agree with the Persivul votes here

[Gamma Emerald]

1) yes, it does
2) then why did you say him being on your wagon gives him town points??

1. alright, the term "bus" doesn't presume alignments of either the busser or bussee. Glad I got that cleared up.
2. It might make sense from his point of view, since he doesn't know my alignment

so yeah you can bus a townie... as a townie

God how the fuck do you even AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Gamma Emerald]

seriously, is it possible for a TvT bus to exist?

No. For god's sake no. Bussing is scum/scum play only, exclusively, ever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma

Tinfoil

TL is pretending to be stupid so we waste our time on this

That is possible
Meta time I guess

[Gamma Emerald]

Not every action has a convenient buzzword to describe it. Start from the top and explain your problems without using any shorthand.

[Gamma Emerald]

And as geometry has been saying, if you're town how does anyone get "town cred" for lynching you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah there's like no way it's not gonna be TL so let's just end it now

[Gamma Emerald]

And as geometry has been saying, if you're town how does anyone get "town cred" for lynching you?

at this point they'd probably get scum equity instead

Okay but you still said they were trying to get town cred when you flipped. Why did you think that would happen?

[Gamma Emerald]

And as geometry has been saying, if you're town how does anyone get "town cred" for lynching you?

at this point they'd probably get scum equity instead

Okay but you still said they were trying to get town cred when you flipped. Why did you think that would happen?

that I think they think I'm scum

Then why did you think Arc was town, and why do you think them being on a mislynch when they're already under suspicion does them any favors?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw thinking on it I really do think Persivul's action was shady as fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

I just realized I should post this because I probably die tonight
Persivul's play reminds me of something I did in an offsite game. I had essentially a secret mafia dayvig shot and I deliberately ghosted the game around the time I wanted to take the shot to detach myself from it. While it's most likely Persivul didn't have the exact same motive (obfuscating who might have done it) the timing and fact he is V/LA currently thus can't really answer for the action makes it feel similar.

[Gamma Emerald]

Contingency plan: attack Pile 2 (probably)

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I just realized I should post this because I probably die tonight
Persivul's play reminds me of something I did in an offsite game. I had essentially a secret mafia dayvig shot and I deliberately ghosted the game around the time I wanted to take the shot to detach myself from it. While it's most likely Persivul didn't have the exact same motive (obfuscating who might have done it) the timing and fact he is V/LA currently thus can't really answer for the action makes it feel similar.

Fuck you asshole.

I'm sorry I didn't know your situation, but excuse the fuck out of me for speculating. I thought you were out of town on vacation, not dealing with a family crisis.

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod: VLA for a few days, my wife is in the hospital. Thanks.

Okay I'm a dumbass then but still, not cool to react like that to mere speculation.

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If you're seriously teaming me with Arc as scum you're not even trying to play this game. On what planet do you think I'd possibly get away with hard bussing one partner and hard protecting the other. Like, really think about that for a minute. WHY would I do that? I'd quite literally be handing the game away.

I agree with this tbh
If Arc and TL are scum I have trouble seeing king as scum

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VOTE: chen

Seriouy though, I will vote any IC because nobody will actually take that and be town.

This actually makes a lot of sense, no one actually likes IC

[Gamma Emerald]

That has nothing to do with the point.

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Chennisden half your combined ISO is alt slips. STOP.

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I think chennisden starting the wagon off nothing is towny. Scum would probably have a good idea of where to start. Ofc I don't think it was started off nothing but if you do then you should think about what I said

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if the "bus" thing is a slip it's contingent on the term being SvS, which I'm not willing to derail the game for.

The term is for SvS. The game doesn't need to be derailed, it's on the damn wiki page.

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The best I can think of in a genuine case of thinking that is "faked confidence", which can apply to town and scum

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I didn't notice they never mentioned TL up to then if that's true

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I dont understand the meme

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Dw the edit fixed it

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good thing my soul is green

Is this an Undertale reference, and why does having a directional shield help you if so?

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...
>_<7"

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I believe the number post for my role is 2096
My other choices were Chocolate Townie or Pirate Doctor for cards, and the alignment of my role card was town

Guys i'm sorry if this has been talked about already, but has anyone seen this? Didn't TL claim Chocolate Townie, too?

I'm pretty sure this means nothing but good moxie

[Gamma Emerald]

A thread search suggests that there's aboooout 50 variants on chocolate townie, chocolate goon, and similar.

I was going go post this but you did it first

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Fyi to everyone, Iconeum is town

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VOTE: arcfield

I think this is a good vote

it is

...this is Vijarada's last post. 10 days ago. WHAT.

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Like I'm both astonished Vij quit out on a prime chance to be a spammy troll and that Ircher hasn't/isn't finding a replacement

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, tbf, a treestump that's already fired off its power doesn't realistically need to be active.

Treestump's advantage is that it can post despite being functionally dead. As town it's a great place to give reads, and as scum it's a great place to open wolf. An inactive treestump is a waste of a PR

[Gamma Emerald]

Also if Vij does get replaced I'm asking Pine to do the honors because he'd make the game fun and I'm not too worried about what he can do since we've already established a great base

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I'd be surprised if TL/Icon is not co-aligned

wtf

He's locating for gods sake

[Gamma Emerald]

LOLcatting not locating WHAT

[Gamma Emerald]

... that's something I've never heard before

It's primarily used on MU but it is universal

[Gamma Emerald]

If the momentum shifts there then sure

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Arcfield
Mkay

[Gamma Emerald]

NO

NO

NO

FUCKING NO

This was a cheap laugh

[Gamma Emerald]

I think geometry can be swayed too

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am I the only one who thinks 1372 might potentially possibly theoretically indicate cold being an associative with arcfield?

I've thought of the association for a while now lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Your rage gives me immeasurable mirth, CHK

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Because he's scum?

pedit: because he's town.

i've been trying to figure out the best course of action for this day, and these kinds of arguments aren't really going to convince me...

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UNVOTE:
Arc's role makes a lot of sense in a setup like this
PEdit: not the target I expected. Btw since we had a lack of death last night I'm more inclined to believe Arc which means scum had a reason to kill TL.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which also means TL is town so things are really getting interesting now.

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You couldn't be sure. I just think until other evidence rolls in it's a good consideration. I'm not locked on the concept, but you posting 1450 makes me less skeptical of a ruse.

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1450, in fact, makes me specifically think it's a ruse, which is part of why I say that.

It's way too natural a reaction imo to be setting it up.

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In fact, none of this makes sense. Why the hell would Arc be voting for the person they think they prevented the death of?

Because they didn't realize the meaning of it? But I agree you have a point despite there being a possible explanation so I'd like to hear Arc's response.

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Complex is a role modifier that makes actions fail on Vanillas.

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Ugh

I don't know if "Chocolate" counts as vanilla

But it should

I don't think it does, can ask the mod if you're not sure

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no reason to not vote Arcfield right now

Have you seen their claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Chocolate isn't vanilla. I honestly think there COULD be room for interpretation wrt Complex + Simple but Rolecop wouldn't get Vanilla on it.

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UNVOTE:
Arc's role makes a lot of sense

in a setup like this

PEdit: not the target I expected. Btw since we had a lack of death last night I'm more inclined to believe Arc which means scum had a reason to kill TL.

It's a random setup. What do you mean by it making sense?

The Complex modifier makes a lot of sense to take since it's very unlikely anyone takes vanilla

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Quoting it like that is quoting mod comms. The inclusion of like the timestamps makes it irrefutable proof and now you're going to get modkilled and this may cause a reroll. I would have believed you following a regular claim honestly and I hope you don't get punished beyond the modkill because I genuinely believe you thought it was okay.

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@BIG BROTHER:

King didn't quote his role PM out of malicious intent, please don't do anything out of this game.

I think the best course of action is a reroll.

2nd

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are there 11 not voting?

~The votecount has been reset due to the Modkill.
~Alchemist21

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VOTE: TemporalLich
Nice scumclaim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh it's 11 alive because Debbie got kidnapped

[Gamma Emerald]

Arc is the cop inno

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imo arcfield is scum even if cold is town, the buddying makes arc more likely to be scum, not more likely to be coaligned

Subject: Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

Personality quotes time!

Gamma Emerald:

"HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE SCUM CAN'T YOU GUYS SEE IT?!?!"

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Gamma Emerald]

Arcfield saved him

Mafia doesn't shoot themselves

There's only one scumteam

Could have been another protective
Weren't you pushing Tl of this logic before?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello. I am the other protective. I protected GE night one and Arcfield tonight. TL is scum. Lynch immediately.

Thanks

[Gamma Emerald]

I knew that already but I was more thanking you for clearing that up.

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Ah. Sorry.

nevertheless. that's the story. can we kill scum now please.

(also I am going to SUPER need to reassess geo, because I cannot even slightly reconcile their behaviour post modkill with their behaviour today, and that's pinging all sorts of alarm bells.)

I totally second this and I'll take you up on that if you can't do it yourself tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi can we not go back to night before I feel like I mattered? thanks

What do you need to do to feel like you mattered?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess look at when coldhearted and Phil replaced in as that was when the game really got spicy

[Gamma Emerald]

Look for the page cold and myself replace in. That's when analysis starts actually happening.

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What makes you think you're the NK

[Gamma Emerald]

What, you still think TL is town????

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice

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What.

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If TL isn't lynched yet we lynch TL today and Iconeum tomorrow
Otherwise why tf does Iconeum decide to die on this hill

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's fuxking discuss shit before diving into another lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Homestuck

what a weird wikipedia article that was.

How about chrono cross?

Don't know much about that but I've been watching a let's play of chrono trigger

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey MathBlade Alt, explain

Who tho

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The hell is this game.

Reading back now. Anyone wanna claim responsibility for the mod poem? I'm guessing no, as it looks like scum taunting us, but figured I might ask anyway.

What role would do that?

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VOTE: Geometry
Btw we should probably discuss a massclaim today

[Gamma Emerald]

I can support that

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What are the 2 non vanilla roles

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Cult Combined Reader Rolestopper: REach night, rattempt to recruit ranother player into cult rand make them rimmune to rany rother raction, rexcept killing, that night.
Town Red Thermometer: REach player starts rat 100 degrees. REverytime a player uses their role, they lose 10 degrees. REvery morning get a rist rof players temperatures.
(Meta check in: I remembered incorrectly, it was Red not Orange Thermometer. Deborah out.)

How would the cult role work for town alignment?

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@Mod what would a cult leader action taken by a non cult alignment do?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cult Combined Reader Rolestopper: REach night, rattempt to recruit ranother player into cult rand make them rimmune to rany rother raction, rexcept killing, that night.
Town Red Thermometer: REach player starts rat 100 degrees. REverytime a player uses their role, they lose 10 degrees. REvery morning get a rist rof players temperatures.
(Meta check in: I remembered incorrectly, it was Red not Orange Thermometer. Deborah out.)

Rebbie, youre rlaiming to rave picked the Vanilla Role over

any

pr?

You know it just makes 0 sense they'd not ask what that cult role would do as town alignment unless they had an option they were really into besides that, which doesn't really make sense for a vanilla to me

[Gamma Emerald]

if chen is telling the truth, does that mean scum have no daychat?

No, his role works the same but his alignment is changed. I believe Town Encryptor has been done in a game before

[Gamma Emerald]

Cult Combined Reader Rolestopper: REach night, rattempt to recruit ranother player into cult rand make them rimmune to rany rother raction, rexcept killing, that night.
Town Red Thermometer: REach player starts rat 100 degrees. REverytime a player uses their role, they lose 10 degrees. REvery morning get a rist rof players temperatures.
(Meta check in: I remembered incorrectly, it was Red not Orange Thermometer. Deborah out.)

Rebbie, youre rlaiming to rave picked the Vanilla Role over

any

pr?

DEB hates playing VT, but RI’m not DEB. RI’m Rebbie Roggie Ro!
(I wanted to focus on my gimmick, and I wouldn’t half ass a gimmick. Commit or die. Scooby is the most VT character ever. The only role more suiting would be IC, but that wasn’t an option. Now, I’d like to not have to keep meta dropping like this, so if you’d excuse me.)

Explain how Scooby is a VT thing