[CHALLENGE] July Challenge

[callforjudgement]

Oh, I missed that the number of lynches and kills are equal, rather than having n day phases and 1 night phase.

[chennisden]

Surviving Ropes and Guns

13p setup: 9 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 Neutral Survivor

This game is night start, but there is no kill n0. During night zero, the survivor must choose how many lynches the town gets the following day (think like Double Day). After n0 ends, the town gets to play through that many days. Then, the game enters an equivalent number of nights. At the end of the last night, the neutral survivor (if still alive) gets to choose how many lynches town gets like on night 0. This process continues until the town or mafia have won. If at any point, the survivor is dead, the game goes back to a normal day/night cycle.

Survivor outs themselves and chooses 12.

Lynching survivor doesn't help

No matter what survivor wins.

[chennisden]

i guess the setups at this point are

{tl chen}
{nk15}
{rest}

[chennisden]

sorry nk 15 but that is way too complicated

[Ircher]

By definition, lynching the survivor causes them to lose as they did not manage to survive.

Still, here's a somewhat modified version:

Surviving Ropes and Guns

v2.0.0.0
13p setup: 9 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 Neutral Survivor

This game is night start, but there is no kill n0. During night zero, the survivor must choose how many lynches the town gets the following day (think like Double Day). This number must be at least one and cannot exceed three. After n0 ends, the town gets to play through that many days. Then, the game enters an equivalent number of nights. At the end of the last night, the neutral survivor (if still alive) gets to choose how many lynches town gets like on night 0. This process continues until the town or mafia have won. If at any point, the survivor is dead, the game immediately shifts to night if the death occurred in the day and to day if the death occurred at night. The game then proceeds with a normal day/night cycle.

[chennisden]

Pick A Neighbor

(a 13 player setup)

Mostly mountainous, with one fun powerup!

During

any day,

you may vote to give the

Pass-it-On-Neighborizer

power to someone.

Make sure that the scum don't get it!

If you are the

Pass-it-on-Neightborizer,

you target someone during the night and you give them your power. They become your neighbor for the following

day-phase

ONLY. If you are killed, the power still passes to the other person. They just don't get a neighborhood. If your target is killed, you keep your power, but you don't get a neighborhood.

Changed to 13p because 9p doesn't let the power really do stuff.

Should the power die if the target is NKed? I am leaning towards yes to give scum some power

[chennisden]

By definition, lynching the survivor causes them to lose as they did not manage to survive.

Still, here's a somewhat modified version:

Surviving Ropes and Guns

v2.0.0.0
13p setup: 9 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 Neutral Survivor

This game is night start, but there is no kill n0. During night zero, the survivor must choose how many lynches the town gets the following day (think like Double Day). This number must be at least one and cannot exceed three. After n0 ends, the town gets to play through that many days. Then, the game enters an equivalent number of nights. At the end of the last night, the neutral survivor (if still alive) gets to choose how many lynches town gets like on night 0. This process continues until the town or mafia have won. If at any point, the survivor is dead, the game immediately shifts to night if the death occurred in the day and to day if the death occurred at night. The game then proceeds with a normal day/night cycle.

There's no reason to lynch the survivor. If the town and survivor can agree that they'll turn it into the townsided nightless and town can agree not to lynch the survivor then gg ez

And survivor can just decide to turn on town when mafia+1 = town

[chennisden]

I could probably still break it, I'll get back to you on that.

[chennisden]

Yeah wasting the nightkill on the survivor is stupid and wasting the lynch on the survivor is also stupid.

[chennisden]

If you use the mechanic but take out the survivor that would be better.

[Ircher]

In that case, I'd have to make the number of phases random? I dunno; seems like that defeats the purpose of the setup.

Really, it is dependent on which route the survivor takes imo. Either help scum or help town and hope they survive.

[chennisden]

wait here's a rly good shitpost

9p "invite the neighbors"

there is a neighborhood thread containing all alive players. ONE neighborhood. there is also a neighborhood containing all the scum.

if u die you go to this exclusive 'hood called the dead thread! wow!

lol i just broke it

EDIT:

This is a joke post BLEASE BLEASE See Post 1 which is not a jokepost and is valid (I changed setup so it would be valid after STK commented.)

[chennisden]

In that case, I'd have to make the number of phases random? I dunno; seems like that defeats the purpose of the setup.

No, maybe alternate between town voting and mafia choosing.

[chennisden]

But I don't see any reason town doesn't choose {max} and mafia doesn't choose {1}

[Ircher]

But I don't see any reason town doesn't choose {max} and mafia doesn't choose {1}

That's why I let the survivor choose. They get to pick their foes.

[chennisden]

But I think the setup is inherently broken.

With the survivor, you get someone who is already guaranteed to win and doesn't care whether town/mafia win who gets to call all the shots. Without survivor there isn't really a point to anyone deciding.

(Also survivor optimal play is to always choose 3 and make it nearly impossible for mafia to win, so they wont waste your shot on you, and town wont lynch you. But I dont think survivor ever dies anyways.)

[chennisden]

Survivor always wins no matter what.

Let's say they choose 3. Best case for mafia is that all of them are town lynches

9 town 3 mafia 1 surv

3 town 3 mafia 1 surv

then surv can just scum side.

Let's say they kill 1 scum.

4 town 2 mafia 1 surv

Again, survivor just chooses 3. Town must get all the mafia to win and they wouldn't waste a lynch on the survivor.

Let's say they kill 2 scum.

5 town 1 mafia 1 surv

Again, survivor chooses 3. If town doesn't get the mafia they lose, so see above. Survivor wins.

And let's say they kill all the scum

Well town wins.

[chennisden]

Open Box of Silver

9p,

7

v

2

During the day phase, scum must split all players into 2-person neighborhoods without overlap. These neighborhoods take effect during the night, and only last one night. Scum also have continuous scumchat, but scumchat is not considered a neighborhood.
Scum

must

also choose one neighborhood to give a Watcher action to.
Scum

may

also choose one

other

neighborhood to give a Jailkeep action to. If scum ever choose to give the Watcher action to a neighborhood with two scum in it, they must also give out the Jailkeep action that night. If scum ever choose to give the Watcher action to a neighborhood that has one scum in it for the second or third night in a row, they must also give out the jailkeep action that night.

Within each neighborhood that has a night action, both members must choose a target for the night action. The two neighbors may choose the same or different targets. At the end of the night phase, mod will randomly choose one of the neighbors to enact that night action on their chosen target.

On Day 4, the game becomes nightless.

Let's see if this can become an open

How? 2 does not divide 9.

[chennisden]

Also I think the random action is silly

Just let the neighbors choose

[Ircher]

Survivor always wins no matter what.

Let's say they choose 3. Best case for mafia is that all of them are town lynches

9 town 3 mafia 1 surv

3 town 3 mafia 1 surv

then surv can just scum side.

Let's say they kill 1 scum.

4 town 2 mafia 1 surv

Again, survivor just chooses 3. Town must get all the mafia to win and they wouldn't waste a lynch on the survivor.

Let's say they kill 2 scum.

5 town 1 mafia 1 surv

Again, survivor chooses 3. If town doesn't get the mafia they lose, so see above. Survivor wins.

And let's say they kill all the scum

Well town wins.

Are you assuming the survivor claims every time? What about if scum counterclaim? Sure, scum lose a member BUT the game becomes mountainous which is advantageous for scum.

Edit: Well there's a 50/50 chance it works in scum's favor each time.

[RadiantCowbells]

correct play is to ignore the counterclaim, find the other two scum, and then the best that scum can hope to do is screw over the survivor.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's a bad setup.

[chennisden]

Even if it isnt technically broken it is still unfun for everyone except the survivor.

And I feel like even the survivor would be rly bored

[chennisden]

Rc what do you think of TL setup

[chennisden]

I feel like the challenge is in a way unfun because neighborhood setups tend to be annoying.