Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[The Fonz]

And probably Darth. If Darth was Town, he would have been mislynched a long time ago for all of his fluff posting. But my theory is that his scumbuddies are keeping suspicion off of him.

Not sure that's fair. Darth hasn't had a single non-RVS vote on him all game. That doesn't mean he's town, but I don't see how scum would need to 'keep suspicion' off a player that not one town player has placed a real vote on all game, either.

[PMysterious]

Spoiler: Neighborhood synopsis

Mumble: You were my biggest townread, I think Croag could be scum.
Mumble (2 days later): Please say something here.
-johhny sno replaces Saudade-
Johhny: why did you townread my slot?
Mumble: Saudade was posting in a way that he usually does as town, and most of the other players were pretty bad.
Johhny: I suppose, normally the way Saudade posts gets him suspected so I was surprised that you townread him.
Mumble: How are you feeling about the game?
Johhny: I don't trust VD, the claim could have been a scum panic claim, but he was wagoned fast so I may not vote him right away. Scum seem to be happy with how the game's going, since not much is going on.
Johhny: Who do you want to add to the hood next?
Mumble: I'm only one-shot.
Mumble (4 days later): What happened? What do you think of Rick's lie?
Johhny: I've been busy. Rick lying isn't really indicative of much.

Mumble: Does Rick lie a lot when he's town?
-S_S replaces johhny sno-
S_S: Yeah, he does.

Mumble: Let me know what you're thinking once you've read up.
S_S: My thoughts on reading up usually suck, so don't expect much.
S_S: You thought Rick could be town, why is that? I think he could be too, but you never know with him.
S_S: I'm thinking PMysterious, The Fonz, Vaultdweller, Chickadee, and Rick are town. I'd like to lynch outside of them.
Mumble: I thought Rick might be town because you told me he lies as town frequently.
Mumble:

My gut says LUV is scum. Maybe Vork as well.

Mumble: Should I guard anyone tonight?
Mumble: Looking at how the wagon went, Rick could be scum too.
S_S: Because scum were trying to save Rick?
S_S: I wouldn't guard anyone tonight.

S_S: LUV has left absolutely no impression on me thus far.

S_S: Scum-Rick usually has a good claim but weird arguments, this is the opposite though. I think he's more likely town.
Mumble: (In response to "Because scum were trying to save Rick?") Yeah, Croag's wagon went so quickly compared to Rick's.
S_S: That was probably just because deadline, but you are right that Rick is hard to wagon as scum.
S_S: Scum-Rick probably kills me tonight.
Mumble: I just meant that Croag's wagon popped up closer to deadline.
S_S: Did you guard somebody?
Mumble: No, I didn't.
-PenguinPower replaces Mumble-
S_S: You should read all of D4. Mumble did some weird stuff.
PP: Oh, he freaked out on A50, that's happened in the past. Why didn't you want him to guard Chickadee?
S_S: Cause of the likely ninja, I figured scum would hit the macho or the ascetic claim.
PP: Who's macho/ascetic?
S_S: I'm macho, VD is ascetic.

Okay, thank you for the synopsis. I have bolded the key points that peak my attention. Mumble not only had a candidate for scum in LUV, but also had a reason to think LUV was scum (basically, LUV hasn't done anything to prove he's Town to Mumble). We can do whatever we need to with this information, but thank you for bringing it to light S_S.

[Almost50]

I'd prefer A50 out of those three.

Wanting to lynch me in LyLo/MyLo has alwa6s proven to be a scumtell of late.

VOTE: S_S

[Almost50]

And probably Darth. If Darth was Town, he would have been mislynched a long time ago for all of his fluff posting. But my theory is that his scumbuddies are keeping suspicion off of him.

You're spot on with Darth, I can't see him being Town here. So for me it's Darth, S_S + "maybe" Vorky

[Almost50]

Spoiler: Neighborhood synopsis

Mumble: You were my biggest townread, I think Croag could be scum.
Mumble (2 days later): Please say something here.
-johhny sno replaces Saudade-
Johhny: why did you townread my slot?
Mumble: Saudade was posting in a way that he usually does as town, and most of the other players were pretty bad.
Johhny: I suppose, normally the way Saudade posts gets him suspected so I was surprised that you townread him.
Mumble: How are you feeling about the game?
Johhny: I don't trust VD, the claim could have been a scum panic claim, but he was wagoned fast so I may not vote him right away. Scum seem to be happy with how the game's going, since not much is going on.
Johhny: Who do you want to add to the hood next?
Mumble: I'm only one-shot.
Mumble (4 days later): What happened? What do you think of Rick's lie?
Johhny: I've been busy. Rick lying isn't really indicative of much.

Mumble: Does Rick lie a lot when he's town?
-S_S replaces johhny sno-
S_S: Yeah, he does.

Mumble: Let me know what you're thinking once you've read up.
S_S: My thoughts on reading up usually suck, so don't expect much.
S_S: You thought Rick could be town, why is that? I think he could be too, but you never know with him.
S_S: I'm thinking PMysterious, The Fonz, Vaultdweller, Chickadee, and Rick are town. I'd like to lynch outside of them.
Mumble: I thought Rick might be town because you told me he lies as town frequently.
Mumble:

My gut says LUV is scum. Maybe Vork as well.

Mumble: Should I guard anyone tonight?
Mumble: Looking at how the wagon went, Rick could be scum too.
S_S: Because scum were trying to save Rick?
S_S: I wouldn't guard anyone tonight.

S_S: LUV has left absolutely no impression on me thus far.

S_S: Scum-Rick usually has a good claim but weird arguments, this is the opposite though. I think he's more likely town.
Mumble: (In response to "Because scum were trying to save Rick?") Yeah, Croag's wagon went so quickly compared to Rick's.
S_S: That was probably just because deadline, but you are right that Rick is hard to wagon as scum.
S_S: Scum-Rick probably kills me tonight.
Mumble: I just meant that Croag's wagon popped up closer to deadline.
S_S: Did you guard somebody?
Mumble: No, I didn't.
-PenguinPower replaces Mumble-
S_S: You should read all of D4. Mumble did some weird stuff.
PP: Oh, he freaked out on A50, that's happened in the past. Why didn't you want him to guard Chickadee?
S_S: Cause of the likely ninja, I figured scum would hit the macho or the ascetic claim.
PP: Who's macho/ascetic?
S_S: I'm macho, VD is ascetic.

Okay, thank you for the synopsis. I have bolded the key points that peak my attention. Mumble not only had a candidate for scum in LUV, but also had a reason to think LUV was scum (basically, LUV hasn't done anything to prove he's Town to Mumble). We can do whatever we need to with this information, but thank you for bringing it to light S_S.

LUV not doing anything is within his town range. It's NAI

[Darth Baker]

Why can’t Baker be scum, Vork?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[Darth Baker]

Baker and Vorkuta have good chemistry

but this is some random darth baker evil sith lord and he won't be interested in my cookie recipes
bs push is bs

No, I am your father!

[Something_Smart]

Wanting to lynch me in LyLo/MyLo has alwa6s proven to be a scumtell of late.

I mean, I have three townreads plus one conftown. That leaves four people.

But after this reaction I'm even more down to lynch A50.

[Something_Smart]

Baker, would you vote A50?

[PMysterious]

I'd prefer A50 out of those three.

Wanting to lynch me in LyLo/MyLo has alwa6s proven to be a scumtell of late.

This implies that we're actually in LyLo or MyLo, neither of which are confirmed. This implies that there are 4 Mafia remaining, a fact that we don't even know for certain. It is possible that there are only 3 Mafia, in which case we would not be in LyLo, and since we have an odd number of players, MyLo is not an option either.

So, with they way you're saying this, you seem to know that there are 4 Mafia, am I wrong to assume this?

[Rick Dalton]

SS, are you town reading Baker?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: A50

[Something_Smart]

SS, are you town reading Baker?

No. But if he refuses to vote A50 and then A50 flips scum I'll feel even worse about him.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: A50

[Almost50]

am I wrong to assume this?

Yes, but I'm not going to trouble myself explaining. If you wish to get a hint yourself, here's a game that has just ended

I've been pushed by scum since D2 all the way and it condensed in LyLo. Wanting to lynch me in LYLO is a scumtell, and if it isn't confirmed then I will confirm it to you.. 17 palyers setups usually do have 4 scums (except for that one I'm linking, in which Scum!Bingle used that argument to try and mislead the town into believing it was also a 4-scum team, and challenged me to find ONE game of 17 players that had only 3 scums in it. My response was "this one" because I knew 17 players setups always have 4 scums)

[Almost50]

Note: This is a bloody NORMAL. The game I link wasn't.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

VOTE: A50

SS, are you town reading Baker?

No. But if he refuses to vote A50 and then A50 flips scum I'll feel even worse about him.

Well, what do you know. I guessed the correct scum team formation and 2 of them are already on me.

@PM: Btw, you missed that I only listed THREE scums still. So, I kinda wonder how you came to the conclusion that I have "mod-confirmed" info that there are 4 scums here with that right before your very eyes. Are you selectively reading? Are you applying for the "Suspect A50 in every single game just because" club?

[Almost50]

I mean , look at how that ended because of a Butthead (disguised as Beavis) and a Cop with a Penguin brain were in in it. A Cop who got a bloody clear on me himself, yet wanted to lynch me!

[Rick Dalton]

Y’all shouldn’t have lynched me in that game. I was the most obv town that ever did town

[PMysterious]

am I wrong to assume this?

Yes, but I'm not going to trouble myself explaining. If you wish to get a hint yourself, here's a game that has just ended

I've been pushed by scum since D2 all the way and it condensed in LyLo. Wanting to lynch me in LYLO is a scumtell, and if it isn't confirmed then I will confirm it to you.. 17 palyers setups usually do have 4 scums (except for that one I'm linking, in which Scum!Bingle used that argument to try and mislead the town into believing it was also a 4-scum team, and challenged me to find ONE game of 17 players that had only 3 scums in it. My response was "this one" because I knew 17 players setups always have 4 scums)

Note: This is a bloody NORMAL. The game I link wasn't.

Again, this is based on evidence that we do not have. Assuming that 17 player setups always have 4 scum is not correct based on the one game you posted. Whether this is a normal game or not, it is still possible that there are 3 scum and not 4. Going back to what S_S said, the power roles in this game are on the weaker side of the spectrum, with the investigative roles being x-shot, and the only protective roles being 2 1-shot Bodyguards, an unrealistic notion in any other game. Considering that we just had 2 players have the exact same Jack of All Trades role, any expectations of common knowledge can be thrown out the window, including the general notion that there are 4 scum in a 17 player game.

@PM: Btw, you missed that I only listed THREE scums still. So, I kinda wonder how you came to the conclusion that I have "mod-confirmed" info that there are 4 scums here with that right before your very eyes. Are you selectively reading? Are you applying for the "Suspect A50 in every single game just because" club?

You only listed 3 scum, but why did you mention the LyLo part at all? That is my concern in regards to that post. You only brought up 3, but you said (with confidence mind you) that we are in LyLo. Why would you mention we're in LyLo if it is theoretically not the case? I only say theoretically since there "could" be 4 Mafia, not just 3.

I want to give you the benefit of a doubt here, but your word choice is bothering me.

[Vorkuta]

Well, what do you know. I guessed the correct scum team formation and 2 of them are already on me.

Monkey pretending to think that this is how a hypotyhetical scum!vork woukd ever get caught is proof that my vote is on point

[Almost50]

Y’all shouldn’t have lynched me in that game. I was the most obv town that ever did town

You were leading us astray anyway with your tunnel on Vecna, the your equally distributed accusations/suspicion of everyone, not to mention driving the lynch on the other Town Vig and then shooting a Friendly Neighbor.

When you play bad you need to acknowledge that your play was bad, my man. Don't be a Kuribo.

(For those not in the know Kuribo called 15/17 slots possible scum, and had the nerve to brag about how good his reads were. In the Dead PT he kept swearing at everyone not seeing how scummy me and Vecna were, when we were both TOWN. DON'T BE A KURIBO)

[Almost50]

@PM: This will be the last time I address this issue in this game. 17 bloody players setups have always had 4 bloody scum slots. I don't care about your evidence or lack thereof, but if I did then I bloody thought it was MyLo/LyLo because I didn't go back to the OP to count the living players to begin with. It was a loose declaration that we should be lynching in the pool I named.

Also, the lack of town power is no indication of the NUMBER of scums. It's an indication of the WEAKNESS OF THEIR POWERS as well. Like, they could be 4 goons, or they could be 3 Goons and one weak PR (a Tracker Enabler, perhaps??). Balancing games by numbers is stupid. Games are balanced through ROLES and how they interact with each other.

Finally, ASSUMING 4 scums is safer. Assuming 3 when it is actually 4 loses us the game today. Assuming 4 when they are 3 gives us an extra mislynch. YOUR argument is starting to get to me too, so I am officially adding you to the lynch pool here. I am not going to start a wagon on you, but should one appear and gain momentum I am all in.

[Almost50]

This is what assuming 3 scums does to us

[Darth Baker]

Baker, would you vote A50?

I hope so for your sake, the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am