Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

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First

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VOTE: Krazy

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Why would you be disappointed that you are going to win the game

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Sure but we'll win this one

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Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:

The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit.

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Further, if no one requests a fruit, I can give it to

whomever I want

. Privately. Without you being able to track who has it. Or demand accountability from them.

This is not necessarily truth as it is not an effect of the fruit.

Why wouldn't it be better for Pine to just give it out to whoever?

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VOTE: Firebringer

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By all means, then, don't request them! I'd love to be able to give secret fruit.

No, you wouldn't, or you wouldn't have told us that you can give them out to whoever you like if nobody requests them

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If that was true, you would keep the information secret

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Question about the fruit though: how often are you allowed to give them, Pine?

Pine won't answer that honestly

The post from Jingle says he creates 2 per day. The likelihood is that those that aren't accepted in one day stockpile up

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There we go I'll believe that

These mechanics are way more complete now

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I think it stands to reason that:
If someone requests a fruit and he refuses to give it to them, he can't give it out at the end of the day
If he doesn't introduce the fruit, we can't bargain for it, but I'm guessing that also means he can't give it out at the end of the day

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He's gotta if he wants to give em out

Otherwise there'd be no reason for him to tell us

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Gonna go back to voting Krazy

VOTE: Krazy

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I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

Hey! You got one of those exactly correct! Nice!

This isn't allowed to be wifom because Pine can't lie about fruit abilities

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VOTE: Ari

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Would have kept my vote on Krazy since I think he was a bit sketch but Ari is far worse

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Mason hunting is bad

Also there's no reason to pester Ali for information

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Jjh remember my first game with you and I was scum and the setup was super unbalanced?
Good times

I actually don't and DA is dead now

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By dead I mean the domain name expired and nobody has cared to renew it so you can't find anything else



And yeah spring fever was pretty great

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One could even say it was... SUPERB

but I'm not gonna do the thing so don't go looking in old PTs

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There is no actual reason to ask Alisae any questions

Trust in Alisae to hold on to that info and make judgments with it if necessary because Alisae can't die

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One could even say it was... SUPERB

but I'm not gonna do the thing so don't go looking in old PTs

Haha you still remember it
I wasn’t thinking about it and I don’t even entirely trust you because of how Pine talked about you in the PT.

Yeah I was legitimately concerned Pine would pick me because of my post-death scumgame

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It's one of the 3 valid reasons Mastina could have for putting me near the bottom of her readslist but I won't go into the other 2.

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There is no actual reason to ask Alisae any questions

This seems uh wrong

I am more than happy to debate this if you wanna, but it'll distract from actually playing the game

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I'm not reading 9 pages, unless someone tells me something very interesting happened. I read page 1 and most of page 2. This will have to suffice.

Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:

The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit.

I actually think that a good amount of us, if not all, should ask for fruit. I think it will be interesting to see who Pine gives fruit to. It does create some wifom, but it could be useful.

bargain: fruit

Pine, hit me up. You might be evil, but you're still a fox.

This is bad and completely neglects all the reasons for not getting fruit

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I'm not actually in the "Nobody should ask for fruit" camp ftr, I just wanted more info from Pine

I think Alisae should decide who bargains for fruit and keep the numbers of people asking for fruit to a minimum, so that Pine does not have much choice in who to give fruit to.

I also think that blindly rushing into the mechanic is extremely foolish, and the course of action scum would encourage.

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Damn LLD

I like there being an angry voice of reason

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VOTE: Xofelf

Yeah sure I guess I'm down for this

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If we condemn town for asking for fruit, then scum can get the powers. I realize I'm going solo on this, but y'all are gonna have to policy lynch me to keep me from asking for fruit. Hate me, I don't care.

@Pine - what does the fruit do?

Why would scum get the powers?

Also, it will be less of a policy lynch, more of a "You are acting against the interests of town and refusing to see sense which indicates that you are scum" lynch. Which is really just a regular lynch

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We're talking about effectively leashing the mechanic so that Pine doesn't just get to give them out to whoever he likes

Meanwhile you seem to have indicated your preference is for chaos and to give Pine as many options as possible for who to give fruit to

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Hello I am all of the people who aren't LLD who are voting Xof

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If we condemn town for asking for fruit, then scum can get the powers. I realize I'm going solo on this, but y'all are gonna have to policy lynch me to keep me from asking for fruit. Hate me, I don't care.

@Pine - what does the fruit do?

Why would scum get the powers?

Also, it will be less of a policy lynch, more of a "You are acting against the interests of town and refusing to see sense which indicates that you are scum" lynch. Which is really just a regular lynch

There's no way to tell if it's true, but Pine did say if no one asks, he get's to choose who to give it to. I'm not willing to take that chance.

And As I get them, I'll be giving input on reads, and playing the game. So I'm not acting against the interests of town. FB already summarized why it would be a policy lynch. So I'm not gonna go on and on about this point.

We aren't talking about the circumstances where nobody asks

We want to leash it

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There is no chance, there is just you blindly rushing ahead and asking for fruit when you don't. or shouldn't, even know what they do.

You are maximising risk, where doing so does not increase benefits

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VOTE: jjh hi

Your stance itself isn't inherently problematic even if I entirely disagree, but your wording is so icky. #162 is such blatant white knighting while basically shutting down early interactions with that slot. Just because Alisae can't die doesn't mean it might not help other players in forming reads to ask the opinion of a town-confirmed slot. Maybe it's an overreaction, but the "it'll distract from actually playing the game" rubs me the wrong way because it's a very easy way to escape responsibility of defending a stance you took, one that I think is very relevant to the game.

It is a rather clumsy way to try and pocket Alisae, but I don't have a reason to think it's outside your scum range.

What do you think of the worst's opening posts? + specifically the wagon that just developed on him

Also I know you think asking Alisae questions is fruitless (no pun intended), do you think anything can be gleaned from interacting with Pine?

There are much better things to be forming reads off. If something is relevant, then Alisae will act on it. The things that are either irrelevant or hardly relevant will still help scum mason hunt, so it's just a bad idea to want that info out there


Generally speaking, I don't like voting the worst early on because he's a cool guy and I like playing with him. I don't think he's scum and I'm not fond of the wagon on him- especially when he's V/LA, lowering its value as an RVS wagon-, but the FB wagon is worse


I think some stuff could be figured out from Pine but I don't think it's worth the effort to actively engage with him. He'll say what he wants to

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My bad on thinking this would distract from playing the game btw because this is good shit

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What's wrong with Xofelf or Ari?

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B) Unless you're LLD you have no reason to vote xof because it's a meta read. You should be waiting for them to post more

This is a really poor argument and I think you should be aware of that

We're not far out of RVS here

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@maria why am I a bad wagon?

Don't know or really care. You're gonna get yourself killed regardless whatever your alignment is. I think it's a waste of time trying to read you so I'll let others try to do it for me. So you're not a 'bad' wagon but you're not a good wagon.

B) Unless you're LLD you have no reason to vote xof because it's a meta read. You should be waiting for them to post more

This is a really poor argument and I think you should be aware of that

We're not far out of RVS here

Please don't try and tell me you're gonna try and play off your vote as RVS at this point? I doubt LLDs vote is and we can't say the same for others. I believe

you

should be aware that it's not gonna be treated as such. So, if your vote is random and you don't want it to be treated as a real vote I suggest you take it off. Why is my argument poor? Let us assume for a moment that you're correct and it's still random voting stage. My logic would still stand because the start of the wagon was clearly not RVS. Perhaps I should just wait and catch up and use my notepad so I don't waste my time with stuff like this.
Pedit: Interesting. Alright then. Good luck on whatever reaction test you appear to be trying to do.

It's not an RVS vote and I think you're missing the point

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what reason does scumstina have to claim it

why would Jingle give this role to her

Krazy's anime upick

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Oh I thought you were asking about the probably real bit

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Pine can either go for who Ali suggests or choke on the stockpile of fruit he can't give out

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Yo Ali are you down for deciding on people who are allowed to request fruit from Pine?

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We need some way of determining it, and informally voting will inevitably lead to chaos

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Also
think I'll go back to

VOTE: Krazy

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I don't want to

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Chaos is a bad idea

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Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

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I'd rather do Fire than tw

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Yeah well we're better at leashing than you are at designing anti-leashing mechanics

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Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

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Because I could vote there

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the worst and jjh are both scummy but the worst is a not-as-good wagon because he's 1. V/LA and 2. I know he has a good enough town game that it's worth not lynching him D1 regardless

also jjh im sad you did not debate me

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

Because I could vote there

bad bad bad

I think I've correctly read Gamma like... 5? times in a row now? probably actually statistically meaningless but regardless I'm gonna need you to explain your read there

Yeah I did I rebutted all your shit

I'll give you my view on Gamma in a little bit

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Pine:

For future reference, arrows are threatening in themselves. I am more concerned about arrows than about being put in stew

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Actually a little bit is wrong I'd rather talk to Gamma Emerald about why I thin Gamma Emerald could be scum

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VOTE: Untrod Tripod

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Ali you're missing something

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I take it you didn't get a message, Ali? But I don't think UT did either

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Was yours signed?

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Hey, UT's the one who faked a dumbtell

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Yeah see I figured that grandiose bullshit would be in all of them

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I just wanna see ut's content please

This IS content

Doesn't matter where the journey begins

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Was yours signed?

why did you ask this pal
much detail as possible pls

Because I was still working on my assumption that everyone got a similarly signed message due to its over-the-top nature, but it was an assumption and it needed confirmation. Also, it's nice to see if other people can follow my logic and come to the same conclusion I did without me just explaining it as a test of whether or not I'm talking sense

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Yeah you have no idea how I play, it's cool

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You voting me doesn't change that

I'm pretty confident we're both town

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The main reasoning behind it is that I sling my vote around a lot in the early game

Ari was a scumlean there, and still is tbh

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My Krazy votes have mostly been out of hope that he'll show up, ideally when I'm around

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I'm kinda intrigued at how you think one is supposed to gather info by vote slinging

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I don't know what to think of jjh. Jjh, what are your thoughts on me again? this might help me sort you.

I think you're town and the wagon on you is bad, which has solidified the view that you are town. When I voted you, I had you as basically null but it was useful to see who else would join the wagon and also sold the part for coaxing info out of Pine

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I'm kinda intrigued at how you think one is supposed to gather info by vote slinging

The same way I've done it for years. Put votes on people and follow up with lines of questioning that attack areas I want exposed to see the nature of the player, often relying on other players to lend their votes to me to ensure the threat of being lynched carried heavier weight.

Do you acknowledge this is not the only way?

Take my Xof vote for example

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Alright,
UNVOTE:

This doesnt look like SvS interactions so this really isn't justified anymore.

You were voting Fire, right?

Did you just unvote him because of his interactions with Pine?

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I mean, he's held on to it for ages

I'm confused at why he'd be dropping it at this precise moment, and to switch to not voting at all

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VOTE: Ari

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Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

This is hype because it's gonna make it really easy to place the worst

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Yo worst, town!you in vengeful spirits had some pretty damn solid reasoning for scumreading scum!me that saw past a reasonable approximation of my towngame

Gonna need your reasoning here

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Oh shit it's Krazy don't leave

VOTE: Krazy

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Oh tw turned around again huh w/e some thought process would still be neat

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Oh shit it's Krazy don't leave

VOTE: Krazy

Are you questioning the party train?

Yeah I reckon you're a solid scumpick by Pine although nobody has really touched on that. Perhaps especially because nobody has really touched on that. And you've done fuck all to convince otherwise

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Why would Jingle give LLD a role that could keep her in the game forever in the interests of fun

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Infinite commuter is something Jingle would give to a universally loved player

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VOTE: LLD

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No

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I have no interest in getting into a 1V1 with you because you are angry as hell

I've wanted to believe you're town from your first post simply because it meant nothing of the sort would happen, but this is fairly solid

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So we aren't gonna do the back and forth thing where we call each other scum every other post because I don't want to

You've added a mechanical angle to determining your alignment

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Scared is very much the wrong word

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Do you remember team mafia

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No, but you do want to manipulate circumstances to put me on your level

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Did I say you were unlikeable, or did I say that you were not universally loved? One of those would be a direct attack on your character, which I would never do.

I really hoped you weren't scum because I know what you're capable of doing as scum and it's not fun at all

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Chick wont be able to use the neighbor until night 2.

This is wrong, isn't it? It's the night after it is received according to the post

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It's actually just running with the false assumption that all mislynches are counterwagons

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Chick neighbourising LLD would be dumb

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What does that tell us? That LLD isn't ascetic?

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No to both of those things

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Just for the record:

If Chickadee successfully neighbourised LLD, it would prove that LLD was targetable N1.
It would not prove anything else to do with LLD's claim.
Also, commuter can definitely be scum.

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How are you feeling about the last few pages of shit, PB?

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You're still voting TW, aren't you? Do you not have anything better?

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Tbh, Krazy is a pretty big concern there

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I'd be more than happy to go back to Ari or Krazy

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You mean it's a balanced role with upsides and downsides for scum, put on a player who claims she is never lynched in a game of mafia and only loses as scum to night actions?

This, but again because GreyICE said it better than I was saying it

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Oh sidenote

Jingle only picked town PRs

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I imagine Pine would be the one picking scum PRs

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This is a pretty awful mechanical defence btw pops

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You know, I don't think masons would even have to out to counterclaim considering Alisae exists

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If we're still talking about the mechanics of "why claim commuter" then timing is pretty key too

because I'm pretty sure that gets lynched as an L-1 claim

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I would not claim this as scum for obvious fucking reasons.

Yes there is no wifom in this game nu uh

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Scum had their power roles assigned by Pine. The scum team was decided via a draft with Pine.

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Turns out that was on the following line to the one with Jingle assigning the town PRs

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Skim it?

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JJH is scum though so

This shall no doubt continue to be a repeated theme in your posts

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ALSO IF I AM BULLIED FOR MAKING SOME SORT OF TYPO

I AM SORRY
MY VISION IS GOING BAD I NEED GLASSES OKAY

I haven't even bullied Pine for typoing in the message he sent me yet

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VOTE: Krazy

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Ank, why is Dannflor so low down on your readslist

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At what time, Gamma? I still want to talk to you

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That's not very specific

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His thought process on things is very visible

He's been town since that post where he voted me

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Ari, your nonsense metrics are troubling

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See, Ari, I like seeing other people's thought processes on placing me. Yours is lazy and nonspecific but you're trying to make it a real thing

Plus this is a pretty clear and directed effort to move the conversation away from UT

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Yeah I don't do a lot of explaining reads unless you ask me

Helps me figure out what people are interested in

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Something about the timing of this feels more like a culmination of ulterior motives

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Huh that's a fair point FF

I'd kinda assumed that kind of thing could slip past some people

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It's probably because it's funny

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Post restrictions will most likely only be a thing in this game if Pine suggests them as part of a deal

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At what time, Gamma? I still want to talk to you

Like an hour I hope

Oof I'm disappearing in 3 minutes

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like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

Oof

Gimme time would you

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Are you glossing over the stuff you don't agree with as non-stuff btw

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Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

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Yeah I followed

But I'm trying to look past that

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What about the timing of this has anything to do with ulterior motives and how!?

What a dumb broad statement with no follow up and no gravity to it. This is exactly the kind of bs post I'm talking about! It looks decent on the surface but there is nothing to it!

In this particular case, I was trying to figure out if Dannflor was seeing what I was.

I thought the timing was super weird with your vote being quite clearly a means to shift attention off of UT, preferably onto me, when the people around who were talking about UT have effectively cooperated with me but still aren't sure about my alignment.
I am the only active player who has continued to express interest in you being lynched.
I've a firm feeling which has not gone away that Krazy's vote on you in RVS was a bus due to your likelihood of being rung up early, which he later shifted when the risk of that dissipated
LLD being the main proponent of my lynch also adds an interesting dynamic to it, especially if she's scum.

But back to the timing:
You didn't vote me when LLD cased me, or at any ensuing point
You didn't vote me right after isoing me
But you did vote me after... isoing UT and comparing the percentage of posts you considered to contain content, which is flimsy, and then there's that bunch of reasons for why scum!you would vote me then and there that make sense to me

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Huh that's pretty much it

Maybe a bit overly specific in some cases, and the Ari justification is off because Ari just generally reads fake to me

And my most recent Krazy vote was because Dannflor voted there and it seemed like we might get a wagon there which would force Krazy to produce more content, plus since Dannflor is one of my main townreads it just worked

ok but
why Krazy
I never really got that.

Because if I'm gonna guess someone who Pine has picked here to be scum, it's Krazy, and he's not done shit.

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There is no different reason

It makes it a pretty solid RVS vote

The lack of doing things is really just getting me to double down on it

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Why does Lambdadelta being the main proponent of your lynch adds an interesting dynamic when she's town?

I don't think he can vote there without being suspicious, and if I somehow get mislynched that's great for scum in the universe where LLD is town

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Eh Ali can be blunt with me if I seem to be forgetting I lack information comparatively

The main way I'm seeing this is that Ali can tell me I should be townreading someone but not that I should scumread someone

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Concerned

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He's clearly having a good time at least but I feel like he's having less and less of an actual impact on the game

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RN I'm waiting for him to do something because he'll probably do something eventually

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I dunno if it's really to like? But uuh

How are you feeling about the last few pages of shit, PB?

You're still voting TW, aren't you? Do you not have anything better?

Sorry bae it has been difficult to have irl interactions.

My vote is staying on the duck for the same reason Menalque wants to give me his love.

About the shitfest, I think it's beautiful that two married people play mafia together.

This makes me think he's gonna do something

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I can see the crumb now but I missed it
I'm gonna read what it said now

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Yeah I know I got it

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Fucking throwback that

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Tbf that argument means nothing to me chennis so I guess the point about gains can be true

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Tbf that argument means nothing to me chennis so I guess the point about gains can be true

JJH who the fuck is he third time asking

oh is from when I was clearly talking about Pink Ball because Ali asked me

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jjh why aren't you voting LLD?

I've got a few people I want to place first

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If it was clear I wouldny have asked you self righteous jerk

Okay yeah sorry that was a bit of a jab

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VOTE: LLD

I still have 4 pages of this shit to read

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People gotta face reality rn

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@Pine or @Jingle

does Pink Ball's request constitute one request for the fruit such that Pine can't distribute the fruit secretly now?

I'm pretty sure it does count, fwiw

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I'm lowkey tempted because I realised something but it would be totally hypocritical

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Ali, you know those messages you sent everyone?

Can you do more? Can they contain anything you like?

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Why do you want it, PB? I thought you were doing some mr blue sky level shit this whole time but that doesn't make sense with you going for a fruit

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Aaaah there is temptation to make a hat from this tinfoil in front of me but I must resist

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I don't think I have a way of asking that subtly

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Can you answer this first, Ali?

Ali, you know those messages you sent everyone?

Can you do more? Can they contain anything you like?

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I'm guessing the scumteam already has the info because Pine

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But sure I'll do something else for a bit

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Jjh I know for a fact you're town. Is there someone that pings you for defending you against Ari/LLD?

Nope

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There's a new total war warhammer 2 dlc so I'm gonna be summoning the elector counts

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@Jingle: Can you clarify something?

Pine will not lie about the abilities of his gifts or their mechanics. He may omit information.

To what does "their" refer to here? Is it the mechanics of the abilities of his gifts, or is it the mechanics of the gifts themselves?

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Mastina, do you want to maybe talk to me now that it's absolutely certain you're not doing that thing where you pretend to scumread me and see who jumps on

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I'm aware you may have forgotten what my towngame looks like but I'm pretty sure I'll jog your memory

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I don't like the idea of waiting for you to get around to doing something but okay

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Fuck Pine's letters

Scum got fake ones

Don't reference them in arguments

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Pine's letters mean shit
He said scum received fake ones
Don't reference them

Ebwop it's now a haiku

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No it's not concerning at all that argument is trash

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EG I could guarantee anyone who has played in or read vengeful spirits could tell you the contents of my letter

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I've been meaning to redownload leagueie weaguies since they reworked my dude pantheon

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I do not care for that restriction

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Uuuh

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Oh nvm that still is hammer just Jingle made a mistake on the number of people on the wagon

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Mastina, are you ready to talk yet

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Like, I'm pretty sure you can give reasoning so I don't understand why you are avoiding it

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Yeah except I might be able to place you better if you explain it

I don't particularly care about convincing you that you are wrong omg

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Where did that omg come from wtf phone

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Why are you focusing on the most mechanicked slot? If people from Alisae's list start turning up dead the slot will be hands off until at least LyLo-1.

Mulling over a 1-shot factional Vanillizer shot or something?

It's generally a bad idea to believe mastina's day 1 claims

If I were a vig who was not mastina I would still shoot in Alisae's list

I think it's still helpful to place Mastina, even if I have no intention of actually pushing her.

[jjh927]

Uh she asked how she would flip she is defo scum

[jjh927]

This is driving me insane

Ank's iso contains this

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in you all to dis

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over a way past this with no hard feelings and find the best way t

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win this game

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osthaste and in the most efficient way possible

so I feel like there's gotta be a real crumb

but where

[jjh927]

Why do you think a hider without a crumb would go for a scumread

[jjh927]

You literally could have asked Jingle for a fakeclaim of that natur-

Exercise.

Find a single fucking scumgame.
So much as ONE.

Where I fucking fakeclaim.

I've been scum, like, 120 times?

Find one.

I'll let you in on a secret.

In all of those scumgames.

I can't say "it's never happened", because it has.
Once.

Let's see if you can find it.

Because I don't fucking fakeclaim as scum.
Sure, yeah, I will lie and mislead as town. I'll troll as town. I'll tell obvious falsehoods as town. And as scum, I am capable of faking that process, of exaggerating the truth, of making it seem like I'm something I'm not--but push come to shove when I actually claim my real role. As scum I don't fucking lie and as town it's not nearly as common as people fucking think.

Because the truth is the greatest weapon you have at your disposal, and if you weaponize the truth, you're more sincere. Staying true to your role PM makes you more genuine, and that genuineness garners townreads.

It's a fucking stupid idea to fakeclaim as scum because it's setting yourself to a narrative you know is a lie and when you know your narrative is bullshit it's hard to keep bullshitting to it.

This is my widely-known, widely-established, stance on roleclaiming which you have literally fucking hundreds of games to track down me saying this shit in. Like, I've said it in MD, I've said it in dozens of games as both town and scum albeit usually town because when I am making this rant it is usually because people aren't fucking believing my claim when I make it in spite of literally every reason to be telling the truth.

Oooh ooh ooh I know this one

[jjh927]

I even fucking memed it last time you said it

[jjh927]

I hate quoting from locked threads

Is there an easy way of doing it

[jjh927]

hunting in a list of town reads seems like a terrible idea

That's because it IS a terrible idea, and we're just gonna have to call the role squandered unless someone finds a clear crumb

[jjh927]

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

[jjh927]

Aw shit my meme missed the pagetop

[jjh927]

But there you go the answer is minuet's trio

[jjh927]

Your jojo reference is

[jjh927]

The mistake is that part 5 is garbage

[jjh927]

YOU SKIP PARTS TOO?

[jjh927]

If you weren't an IC I'd call you scum because all part skippers are scum

[jjh927]

Who's scum then xofelf

[jjh927]

Realised I haven't actually done a readslist yet. Gonna get on that

[jjh927]

Who's scum, xofelf

[jjh927]

I think this is about where I'm at

Townreads:

GreyICE
Dannflor
Formerfish
Firebringer
the worst
Gamma Emerald
popsofctown

Townleans

Katsuki
mastina
MariaR
Chickadee
Iconeum

Null

Pink Ball
PenguinPower
Titus
chennisden

Scumleans

DrippingGoofball
Menalque
Krazy

Scumreads

xofelf
Aristophanes

[jjh927]

Ooh well if you like asking questions then I just posted a handy readslist with 0 explanation

[jjh927]

I'm not gonna be here much longer because it's 9am and I'm nocturnal rn

so the window on question asking and getting an immediate response is closing

[jjh927]

It just happens to me from time to time

I'd need 28 hour days to get a good ratio of being awake to sleeping

[jjh927]

That's a really shitty question, xofelf

The game is that you ask about specific reads
It tells me what you're interested in

[jjh927]

Hey Pine are you willing to bargain shit that isn't fruit?

Like, answers to questions

[jjh927]

I think it should go without saying that the tree is bullshitting but we can all say it if you think that helps

[jjh927]

It'd be nice to get some tinfoil confirmed, really

[jjh927]

Well, or explicitly denied

[jjh927]

I don't trust you not to lie about certain things, for example if I were to ask you about the scum wincon directly.

But I think the scum wincon could plausibly have something to do with the fruit. That'd be my main point of inquiry right now.